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Ill probably look dumb for saying this and not remembering the title of the tournament, but oh well:
Blizzard and GOM didnt "force out" SC:BW, Kespa refused to acknowledge SC2 as a e-sport and played elitism for SC:BW where they had far more power.
There was even a world championship tournament where ever region would send a representing player (this is the tournament of which i cannot remember the title), and Kespa had the rights to select on behalf of Korea, where they selected no reps for SC2 simply because they did not recognize it, it would have taken no effort for them to simply say "lets send the gom champion, he obviously good". Instead they did everything they could to make sure SC2 was suppressed in Korea.
Whats happening now isnt that BW was killed. Its that Kespa no longer ignore the worldwide scene SC2 is getting. In the words of a korean progamer last year "BW is still big in Korea, but SC2 is all over the world".
Kespa moved because it was the right thing to do, and now theyre trying to through weight around to stay in power.
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How can anyone still be defending Kespa?
GOM did the right thing. It's not only the GSL. What happened to those supposed players that should have been at MLG?
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Oh man this is so sad, hopefuly things will end up working for the best of all of us. I do understand ESF position, but their timing is not the best, we already had a 16 tournament going on (sort of) and this kinda move is not gonna help us at all...or is it? I dont think so, I DO HOPE SO.
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On August 25 2012 00:39 OrgCom wrote:
How can anyone still be defending Kespa?
GOM did the right thing. It's not only the GSL. What happened to those supposed players that should have been at MLG?
It's like political bipartisanship. Kespa vs GOM. Pick a side and stick to it.
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On August 25 2012 00:42 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 00:39 OrgCom wrote:
How can anyone still be defending Kespa?
GOM did the right thing. It's not only the GSL. What happened to those supposed players that should have been at MLG? It's like political bipartisanship. Kespa vs GOM. Pick a side and stick to it.
its more like there is a small minority of people who like Kespa and think Blizzard tried to kill bw
oh how wrong they are, almost funny
edit: whilst 90 percent of the community is on ESF's and GOM's side
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On August 25 2012 00:04 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 00:01 speedphlux wrote:
Well, all in all - KeSPA is the root of all evil around eSports.
Remeber those facts :
- Deleting NaDa's history around SC:BW, when he transitioned into SC2, followed by a bunch of well-payed articles about him being greedy and following the money, when in reality SC2 was just starting to crawl its way up and there was hardly any money in it. At all.
- Paying articles to critique SC2, stalling the introduction of the game in Korea by a lot. Also getting in that huge court-case vs Blizzard about intelectual property, which was later settled.
An now we're adding this shit.
Please, if anyone still believes that KeSPA will allow their players to participate in GSL Season 5, please re-think. That will not happen. And you will see it rather shortly, when they screw up with MLG's group arrangements (MLG - KeSPA agreement on KeSPA players seeds). I am honestly so pissed at them, that even if what ESF did was a douche-baggery move, I would still side with them on this one and would not participate in the next OS2L.
No idea how Blizzard could fix this shit either. KeSPA just needs a really hard kick in the balls and it looks like they're gonig to get it. I just hope it hurts them enough to realize they can't boss people around and fuck with everyone else. WTF? Source?
It was explained that it was a website admin mistake. Something along the line of the sql syntax not recognising new Nada status in database and wouldn't display anything
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Kespa thought they could push everyone around, ESF is like the pair of balls that GOM never had. Good for them. I hope Kespa capitulates.
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On August 25 2012 00:39 OrgCom wrote:
How can anyone still be defending Kespa?
GOM did the right thing. It's not only the GSL. What happened to those supposed players that should have been at MLG?
Kespa obivously did an ass move, but in my opinion every player organisation that has that much control over the players is bad. I see the advantages of having a player association so they aren't getting screwed by everyone by I believe that the absolute control they currently exert is wrong.
I mean this entire new shouldn't even come as a surprise to people who read player's interview. Each time a kespa player won in the WCS recently they asked them about "upcoming code A qualifiers". They all answered the same thing : I would love to attend but it is the team decision, it will depend on the team schedule, I don't get to choose blah blah blah. It didn't make a lot of sense to me at first but now we can guess that this was in the work for some time now. I feel sad for the Kespa players.
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On August 25 2012 00:47 Newbistic wrote:
Kespa thought they could push everyone around, ESF is like the pair of balls that GOM never had. Good for them. I hope Kespa capitulates.
if gom competes in the osl then they are still pushing everyone around
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On August 25 2012 00:37 Kanuck wrote:
Ill probably look dumb for saying this and not remembering the title of the tournament, but oh well:
Blizzard and GOM didnt "force out" SC:BW, Kespa refused to acknowledge SC2 as a e-sport and played elitism for SC:BW where they had far more power.
There was even a world championship tournament where ever region would send a representing player (this is the tournament of which i cannot remember the title), and Kespa had the rights to select on behalf of Korea, where they selected no reps for SC2 simply because they did not recognize it, it would have taken no effort for them to simply say "lets send the gom champion, he obviously good". Instead they did everything they could to make sure SC2 was suppressed in Korea.
Whats happening now isnt that BW was killed. Its that Kespa no longer ignore the worldwide scene SC2 is getting. In the words of a korean progamer last year "BW is still big in Korea, but SC2 is all over the world".
Kespa moved because it was the right thing to do, and now theyre trying to through weight around to stay in power.
It was ESWC if I recall correctly.
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On August 25 2012 00:50 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 00:37 Kanuck wrote:
Ill probably look dumb for saying this and not remembering the title of the tournament, but oh well:
Blizzard and GOM didnt "force out" SC:BW, Kespa refused to acknowledge SC2 as a e-sport and played elitism for SC:BW where they had far more power.
There was even a world championship tournament where ever region would send a representing player (this is the tournament of which i cannot remember the title), and Kespa had the rights to select on behalf of Korea, where they selected no reps for SC2 simply because they did not recognize it, it would have taken no effort for them to simply say "lets send the gom champion, he obviously good". Instead they did everything they could to make sure SC2 was suppressed in Korea.
Whats happening now isnt that BW was killed. Its that Kespa no longer ignore the worldwide scene SC2 is getting. In the words of a korean progamer last year "BW is still big in Korea, but SC2 is all over the world".
Kespa moved because it was the right thing to do, and now theyre trying to through weight around to stay in power. It was ESWC if I recall correctly.
Thank you.
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so much trouble with kespa switching over 
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On August 25 2012 00:53 Wounded31 wrote:so much trouble with kespa switching over
caused by them, for really no reason whatsoever, apart from the fact that they dont care about global esports, only korea esports and being the monopoly that runs it
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On August 25 2012 00:50 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 00:37 Kanuck wrote:
Ill probably look dumb for saying this and not remembering the title of the tournament, but oh well:
Blizzard and GOM didnt "force out" SC:BW, Kespa refused to acknowledge SC2 as a e-sport and played elitism for SC:BW where they had far more power.
There was even a world championship tournament where ever region would send a representing player (this is the tournament of which i cannot remember the title), and Kespa had the rights to select on behalf of Korea, where they selected no reps for SC2 simply because they did not recognize it, it would have taken no effort for them to simply say "lets send the gom champion, he obviously good". Instead they did everything they could to make sure SC2 was suppressed in Korea.
Whats happening now isnt that BW was killed. Its that Kespa no longer ignore the worldwide scene SC2 is getting. In the words of a korean progamer last year "BW is still big in Korea, but SC2 is all over the world".
Kespa moved because it was the right thing to do, and now theyre trying to through weight around to stay in power. It was ESWC if I recall correctly.
No. It was IeSF
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On August 25 2012 00:33 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 00:32 naastyOne wrote:On August 25 2012 00:23 maybenexttime wrote:On August 25 2012 00:17 Athos wrote:
God I remember when Kespa's pressure brought down the first GOM Starleague. I really hate Kespa and think GOM actually has the upper hand here. The GSL players actually have more value than the Kepsa players because they have proved themselves as the best SCII players, and we're yet to see that really from the Kespa players. This kind of gridlock may suck, but its a necessary move coming from GOM. And I remember when gom decided to become blizzard's bitch and helped them destroy BW. Do you remember how they blackmailed KeSPA to give up ProLeague's primetime slots in favour of gsl simply because nobody wanted to watch that over ProLeague? I'm siding with KeSPA because they stuck with BW until blizzard made it unsustainable. Screw blizzard and gom. Blizard destroyed BW with SC2? What a joke you are . No he's pretty much right, Blizzard's original position against Kespa was so ridiculously unfair and anti-BW it was laughable, hence the 2 years of deadlock between the two parties
And what happened? Nothing. Kepsa still does what it does, Blizzard still couldn't do anything about it. So it not like that had much impact on the scene in general.
BW dies by natural cause, that's a fact. It was losing sponsors, teams were disbanded, slowly losing popularity for newer games (SC2, Sudden Attack, LoL, a bunch of MMORPGs,....), losing time play in PCBangs, losing tournament schedule for LoL, OSL finals is impressive but remind me nothing but a festive party (don't pull out the number pls, I know some dog pageant shows in America that have more viewers than that)....
If there were not SC2, BW would still slowly die by the rising popularity of LoL.
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You guys really don't get it. BW pro gaming stars are worth a crapload of marketing / audience money in Korea. These player korean gaming icons were nutured through a 12 years long daily broadcast on TV. Thats ALOT of time and money. Handing them for free to sc2 gom league is like giving away for nothing in return (oh yay ex c team dishwashers gamers !) something you kind of own and created and that is the source of your income.
There is no reason for them to do that. Eventually gom will die out and OGN will survive. And i'm all for that.
All this isn't kespa / esf faults or anyone. It's the pro gaming market wich is waaayyy too tiny and fragile and only financially proeminent in Korea which bring that kind of situation upon the scene.
That's only because there isn't enough money to be made so that everyone can happily share ans sustain itself.
And OGN is of course the most legitimate of all.
Now ofc kespa isn't OGN, but kespa is the emanation of the korean pro gaming scene, also, KESPA was created by korean gov, ESF isn't.
edit : and fxo boss's blog posts are so laughable. Acting like he has so much insight and stuff. Does he even speak korean fluently?
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only the true leauge will win
gom your going down
kespa ftw
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Wow, you do not mess with Nestea.
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On August 25 2012 00:55 malady wrote:
only the true leauge will win
gom your going down
kespa ftw
I would like a person like you to actually explain how that would be good?
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On August 25 2012 00:54 Boonbag wrote:
You guys really don't get it. BW pro gaming stars are worth a crapload of marketing / audience money in Korea. These player korean gaming icons were nutured through a 12 years long daily broadcast on TV. Thats ALOT of time and money. Handing them for free to sc2 gom league is like giving away for nothing in return (oh yay ex c team dishwashers gamers !) something you kind of own and created and that is the source of your income.
There is no reason for them to do that. Eventually gom will die out and OGN will survive. And i'm all for that.
All this isn't kespa / esf faults or anyone. It's the pro gaming market wich is waaayyy too tiny and fragile and only financially proeminent in Korea which bring that kind of situation upon the scene.
That's only because there isn't enough money to be made so that everyone can happily share ans sustain itself.
And OGN is of course the most legitimate of all.
Now ofc kespa isn't OGN, but kespa is the emanation of the korean pro gaming scene, also, KESPA was created by korean gov, ESF isn't.
Well, fuck the OSL and the Korean crowd who weren't already watching SC2 then.
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