EPTI don't mean to crush the old way of BW like that, but I think the general opinion of Kespa is that they are too harsh.. :/
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reikai
United States359 Posts
I don't mean to crush the old way of BW like that, but I think the general opinion of Kespa is that they are too harsh.. :/ | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:46 ohampatu wrote: 1. Kespa does not have a good track record. Its not on ESF to hold to their word. Kespa broke the agreement that they would play. They have done this in the past, they have a bad track record of doing so. ESF should continue to boycott untill Kespa plays. Otherwise, Kespa will do this same exact shit in 3 months, dont you see that? 2. GOM can survive in KR just fine i think. The majority of their money is foreigner money, they might not grow exponentially, but they wont shut down. 3. Kespa needs to be pushed around, when they aren't pushed around they do a bunch of shit, a'la the bw scene. We dont want sc2 to become the next bw scene. Get it? Alright genius. 1) Pulling out of a tournament in Ro16 is inifnitely worse than not participating in the qualifiers. That's drawing a line in the sand and there's no going back. 2) Nah they really can't. I doubt they can live off subscriptions forever and I bet a lot of the investment money they have is in the potential growth to mainstream in Korea. It costs a ton of money to keep a whole studio running. 3) You mean the BW scene that Kespa built? Nah both Blizzard and GOM REALLY REALLY want Kespa's cooperation. That's why they try so hard to work together. Yeah because the BW scene was so terrible with tons of stable teams and teamhouses and you know, being on TV. Did everyone forget about oGs disbanding so fast? | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
we dont really know about number 2, both of those are just our opinions on the third, i guess we disagree with how good kespa is, but most people seem to have the same line of thinking as me, its a corrupt company that's shit for global growth | ||
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Quarz
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OlSpiced
Austria96 Posts
But i can still understand the way esf reacted, if they let Kespa bully them around now, they will fade away later. Kespa isn't THAT big in sc2 yet, so i hope that Gom, ESF, Kespa, OGN and whoever else is involved manage to come along. I don't know how they could, but i am sure there are people smarter than me working on it. What i am wondering is, will GSL remain the most important league or will OSL take the #1 position. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:57 OlSpiced wrote: Well the ones that suffer the most from this are the fans, the players and basically everyone who loves sc2 as a sport and not the money behind it. But i can still understand the way esf reacted, if they let Kespa bully them around now, they will fade away later. Kespa isn't THAT big in sc2 yet, so i hope that Gom, ESF, Kespa, OGN and whoever else is involved manage to come along. I don't know how they could, but i am sure there are people smarter than me working on it. What i am wondering is, will GSL remain the most important league or will OSL take the #1 position. Short term suffering? Yes. Long time? No. Kespa needs to learn that they are no longer king. Its for the sake of the long term. | ||
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
Remeber those facts : - Deleting NaDa's history around SC:BW, when he transitioned into SC2, followed by a bunch of well-payed articles about him being greedy and following the money, when in reality SC2 was just starting to crawl its way up and there was hardly any money in it. At all. - Paying articles to critique SC2, stalling the introduction of the game in Korea by a lot. Also getting in that huge court-case vs Blizzard about intelectual property, which was later settled. An now we're adding this shit. Please, if anyone still believes that KeSPA will allow their players to participate in GSL Season 5, please re-think. That will not happen. And you will see it rather shortly, when they screw up with MLG's group arrangements (MLG - KeSPA agreement on KeSPA players seeds). I am honestly so pissed at them, that even if what ESF did was a douche-baggery move, I would still side with them on this one and would not participate in the next OS2L. No idea how Blizzard could fix this shit either. KeSPA just needs a really hard kick in the balls and it looks like they're gonig to get it. I just hope it hurts them enough to realize they can't boss people around and fuck with everyone else. | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:52 blamekilly wrote: source for the seeds that you are talking about? They were considering giving the seeds to the Kespa players I think. If you can read Korean, here's the source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?id=1273044&category=13438 But from one of the interviews with a Kespa guy, this seeding wasn't brought up with them. So I'm guessing it was still something in the works or something like that? *Shrugs* | ||
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Account252508
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Xanthopsia
Australia41 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:52 blamekilly wrote: source for the seeds that you are talking about? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=362650 That has alot of info, and i believe thats the thread that stated GOM tried to accomodate any scheduling issue, as well as let some kespa players bypass the qualifiers | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:59 monkybone wrote: Lack of foresight is the problem. sc2 is growing internationally rapidly gaining new sponsors. This will get so much bigger than korea. We need more new money into the scene. | ||
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blamekilly
466 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:45 Darkthorn wrote: Gom lived by decently without the Kespa players...Kespa will still get their money from the "corporate giants of Korea" to quote you once more...but OGN takes a big hit because they can't host this season with just 8 players... Which is why eSF's decision to boycott OGN is bad bad. OGN is not Kespa. Anyways, I'm sure Blizzard was slipping Gom some pocket change when Kespa took over. | ||
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ImNightmare
1575 Posts
I have $600 to my name. I am buying Jaedong. | ||
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immanentblue
Denmark110 Posts
Thomas Kilian @Khaldor News on ESFI about Kespa/GSL: http://esfiworld.com/news/after-esfs-threat-boycotting-osl-kespa-decided-participate-gsl-season-5 seems KeSPA couldnt walk the walk, when it came to their own league... good on them  | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On August 25 2012 00:01 speedphlux wrote: Well, all in all - KeSPA is the root of all evil around eSports. Remeber those facts : - Deleting NaDa's history around SC:BW, when he transitioned into SC2, followed by a bunch of well-payed articles about him being greedy and following the money, when in reality SC2 was just starting to crawl its way up and there was hardly any money in it. At all. - Paying articles to critique SC2, stalling the introduction of the game in Korea by a lot. Also getting in that huge court-case vs Blizzard about intelectual property, which was later settled. An now we're adding this shit. Please, if anyone still believes that KeSPA will allow their players to participate in GSL Season 5, please re-think. That will not happen. And you will see it rather shortly, when they screw up with MLG's group arrangements (MLG - KeSPA agreement on KeSPA players seeds). I am honestly so pissed at them, that even if what ESF did was a douche-baggery move, I would still side with them on this one and would not participate in the next OS2L. No idea how Blizzard could fix this shit either. KeSPA just needs a really hard kick in the balls and it looks like they're gonig to get it. I just hope it hurts them enough to realize they can't boss people around and fuck with everyone else. WTF? Source? | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
I don't have a link but I can serve to corroborate his story. I did indeed hear this was the case. | ||
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
On August 24 2012 18:47 j1nzo wrote: one of the worst news ever... how ridiculous can a professional organization be... it feels like "you don't like my brother/cousin? so i don't like yours either!" -.- now i'm curious to see what kespa will do to conceal that the first sc2 osl has missing an entire round (of 16) and 8 star players. either kespa is incredibly stupid or brilliant- as they might have a reason to risk this... or they just underestimated the loyalty between esf and gom... No. GOM's livelihood is on the line. props to ESF for showing loyalty. guess what? GOM's profitability is a lil more important to them than what foreign viewers think. if ur smart you would support ESF/GOM since they try to make the korean scene accessible to foreigners. | ||
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