eSports federation players defer OSL participation - Page 61

On August 24 2012 23:26 renaissanceMAN wrote:
kespa needs to grow a pair

honestly, I wish some of the players/teams would step up and just tell them to fuck off, the idea that these major organizations (like kespa) make the decisions for other people (the bw players), which the organizations themselves are barely involved in, is ludicrious, kespa isn't doing anything but hindering the growth of esports.

On August 24 2012 23:27 FFW_Rude wrote:


So he vouch for all the teams even the teams he is not a part of ? Or is there other thing that i don't understand ?

On August 24 2012 23:27 FFW_Rude wrote:


So he vouch for all the teams even the teams he is not a part of ? Or is there other thing that i don't understand ?

On August 24 2012 23:27 FFW_Rude wrote:


So he vouch for all the teams even the teams he is not a part of ? Or is there other thing that i don't understand ?

On August 24 2012 23:00 vanhio wrote:


Ogn wins in Korea, Gom wins outside of Korea.

Soooooooo, who is the winner ?

On August 24 2012 23:28 Torte de Lini wrote:
A storm's a comin'

On August 24 2012 23:25 BAAEEMM wrote:

source to the working on "something big"?

EDIT 2:
Giant project?

현재 협회에서 준비중인 거대 프로젝트로 인해 쉽사리 선수들의 출전을 결정지을 수 없었다는 것이다.

협회 조만수 팀장은 "전략 위원회에서도 여러 의견들이 나왔다. GSL에 출전하자는 의견도 있었지만 선수들을 출전시킨 뒤 나중에 해당 선수들을 빼는 것은 더 큰 일이기 때문에 어쩔 수 없는 선택"이라고 밝혔다

KeSPA planning a "Giant Project"

They don't want to forfeit players due to this "Giant Project"

On August 24 2012 23:20 pSeUd0 wrote:
Do we have any reliable information on the nature of the apparent scheduling problems? Any insight would be much appreciated as I really want to believe that KeSPA is not doing this out of a gamble for market share.

If KeSPA is really worried about the situation in which one of the "KeSPA-players" would have to choose between a default loss in OSL in order to participate in his GSL match or a default loss in GSL in order to be able to play his OSL match and there is no way in hell to resolve the scheduling issue then every "non-KeSPA-player" faces the same potential issue.

Therefore, assuming that there really is a potential conflict for players participating in both leagues (i.e. GSL & OGN matches at the same day and the same time), the reasoning of KeSPA to pull out of GSL4 qualifiers equivalently holds true for any player who deliberately decided to pull out of OSL (at least for this season).
Now, if I accept the reasoning behind KeSPA´s decision to pull "their" players out of GSL4 then on the same token I have to accept the decision of eSF to pull "their" guys out of OSL this season.

Following this logic I would expect to see neither of the two parties back down for the upcoming season as long as the scheduling issue is not resolved. The best (only?) thing to would be to "pick up the phone" and reschedule the problematic matches so that is reason for this mess is resolved.

On a personal note:
Whether it was a hardline commercial decision by KeSPA or out of honest concern due to an unresolvable (and here I assume both KeSPA & GOM actually do try their best to resolve this) scheduling issue, eSF should stay out of OSL. If the latter is true then in order to set incentives to harmonize schedules for next season and in the other case to establish the industry standard that hardline policy is more harmful for every involved party than cooperation.

And I say this as an economist looking at the long term. As a SC-fan I would like to see the scheduling issue resolved by Monday and a full blown OSL next to a full blown GSL as a result.

On August 24 2012 23:29 Weirdkid wrote:


The play offs begin on 1 September, and the preliminaries are on 5, 6 September, and they feel that it'd be really stressful for the teams and players. This is an important time for the players to produce results after the four months of dual tournament, and it's also the last Starcraft 1 tournament, so they want to have a perfect ending. As to why they are able to play in WCS and WCG, those are relatively short tournaments, being about one month. Though some parts may clash, it doesn't really affect the quality of SPL and there's already an understanding with the SPL teams. As for GSL, it's a 2-3 month tournament, and there's a link from one season to another, and so it's not an easy situation.

On August 24 2012 23:25 FFW_Rude wrote:


Okay but what's a representative ? I just thought that the OP listed the teams that were included in ESF and so i didn't understand why nestea was there and not a coach for each team.

Maybe it "strucks your mind" but there are subtilities that i don't understand.

Also my original question was : "Is it a players claim ? Or is it ESF decided with coaches of the teams or something like that".

On August 24 2012 23:30 renaissanceMAN wrote:


what I was saying was more along the lines of they need to grow a pair, and grow up, and understand what's best for their players and esports as a whole

On August 24 2012 23:27 Necosarius wrote:

They are way bigger than GOM. Like way bigger. I think you guys overestimate the power of the foreigner viewers. I mean sure, on a good day we can maybe pull off 100k concurrent viewers but that's nothing compare to what OGN can pull off. They are a TV channel, and TV > stream. And they have an established fanbase already. I mean, they have been doing E-Sports for over 12 years.

On August 24 2012 23:32 Mauldo wrote:


A "representative" is someone that is taken from a group of people to argue on behalf of them. You know, like ministers in parliament. Nesta was probably elected by the teams as their representative to go vote on issues such as this.

From the press releases we've received so far, it looks like the ESF is indeed made up of the team coaches and then the elected player representative, Nestea. ESF has shown itself so far to really argue for and care about its players, I don't remember a single instance where a player was mistreated or players spoke out against the group.

Is there anything else you need explained? (Serious question. I'm not making fun of you or talking down to you right now.)

On August 24 2012 23:29 blamekilly wrote:



OGN/Kespa wins.

Our money is peanuts compared to the millions and millions from the corporate giants of Korea.