EPTOn August 24 2012 23:15 bo1b wrote:
I thought you were talking about demands that gom made to kespa when the transition happened, but yes the pricing sucks/sucked.
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 23:05 Nikon wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6190385
Just read down the thread. It eventually got changed, cause a lot of people got angry, but come on.
Here's more for your viewing pleasure: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149284
No. MBC decided that it'd be more profitable if they turned into a K-Pop TV and closed shop.
On August 24 2012 22:55 bo1b wrote:
Mind linking the demands that gom made? Also, I'd imagine gom to be closer to kespa since it's owned by cj iirc.
On August 24 2012 22:51 Nikon wrote:
Oh, but GOM did make those demands right off the bat. And ESF is related to GOM as KeSPA is to OGN. It's not like GOM and KeSPA haven't had their altercations in the past, and such.
Try to guess how many loyalist Korean fans watch the OSL. You might be surprised.
On August 24 2012 22:49 bo1b wrote:
That gom didn't make the demands in the first place, that esf is a seperate entity to gom.
On August 24 2012 22:48 Nikon wrote:
Care to point out what part of what I said is wrong?
On August 24 2012 22:46 bo1b wrote:
The irony of that last sentence is amazing.
On August 24 2012 22:44 Nikon wrote:
Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.
Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.
I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.
What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
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What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
[quote]
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
[quote]
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
[quote]
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?
Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.
Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.
I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.
On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
nvm him, problably bw elitist
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
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$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
[quote]
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
nvm him, problably bw elitist
What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.
The irony of that last sentence is amazing.
Care to point out what part of what I said is wrong?
That gom didn't make the demands in the first place, that esf is a seperate entity to gom.
Oh, but GOM did make those demands right off the bat. And ESF is related to GOM as KeSPA is to OGN. It's not like GOM and KeSPA haven't had their altercations in the past, and such.
On August 24 2012 22:49 freerolll wrote:
LOL in sc1 This is SC2 and GSL runs shit over here!!! The only reason people watched OSL are because of the GOM-Kespa rivalry...... Only because we wanted to see how BW pros would addapt to the new game!!! I could care less about who is in OSL if I dont know 1 single player! and at this point in time stil far behind GSL players im not talking about the couple few that can hang with them
But overall leaugue skill
On August 24 2012 22:44 Nikon wrote:
Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.
Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.
I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.
What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late
It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.
From ESF//
First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.
Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.
We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.
GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.
Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.
Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.
GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.
One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.
E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.
It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.
Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.
Thanks
E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook
source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late
It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF//
First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.
Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.
We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.
GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.
Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.
Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.
GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.
One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.
E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.
It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.
Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.
Thanks
E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook
source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.
From ESF//
First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.
Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.
We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.
GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.
Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.
Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.
GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.
One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.
E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.
It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.
Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.
Thanks
E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook
source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late
It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF//
First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.
Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.
We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.
GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.
Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.
Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.
GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.
One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.
E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.
It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.
Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.
Thanks
E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook
source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?
Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.
Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.
I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.
On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
nvm him, problably bw elitist
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.
From ESF//
First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.
Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.
We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.
GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.
Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.
Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.
GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.
One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.
E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.
It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.
Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.
Thanks
E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook
source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late
It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF//
First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.
Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.
We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.
GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.
Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.
Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.
GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.
One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.
E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.
We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:
For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.
It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.
Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.
Thanks
E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook
source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
nvm him, problably bw elitist
What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.
LOL in sc1 This is SC2 and GSL runs shit over here!!! The only reason people watched OSL are because of the GOM-Kespa rivalry...... Only because we wanted to see how BW pros would addapt to the new game!!! I could care less about who is in OSL if I dont know 1 single player! and at this point in time stil far behind GSL players im not talking about the couple few that can hang with them
But overall leaugue skill
Try to guess how many loyalist Korean fans watch the OSL. You might be surprised.
Mind linking the demands that gom made? Also, I'd imagine gom to be closer to kespa since it's owned by cj iirc.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6190385
Just read down the thread. It eventually got changed, cause a lot of people got angry, but come on.
Here's more for your viewing pleasure: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149284
On August 24 2012 23:04 ThePlayer33 wrote:
Question:
Did OGN bully MSL out of the market??
Would this happen to GOM??
Question:
Did OGN bully MSL out of the market??
Would this happen to GOM??
No. MBC decided that it'd be more profitable if they turned into a K-Pop TV and closed shop.
I thought you were talking about demands that gom made to kespa when the transition happened, but yes the pricing sucks/sucked.
Well, I admit that my wording sucked a bit in the initial post, but the fact that GOM needs/wants foreigner money remains.
