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On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 24 2012 21:47 ch33psh33p wrote:
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Do you know how to read? The ESF contacted EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in the OSL and asked them if they were okay with this. They unanimously supported the decision. Notice how the statement was made by Nestea as well.
Do you really think Kespa went through the same process? ESF is a PLAYERS association, Kespa is NOT. You think the players would willingly turn down the chance to compete in a televised individual league, something they've probably been wanting since they became pros? Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments? Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv. I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here. I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant. These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind.
According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada
And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about.
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kick KeSPA's ass!
GSL make a good decision
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whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years?
Edit: Nada is spanish for nothing.
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On August 24 2012 22:26 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:20 monkybone wrote:On August 24 2012 22:17 schaf wrote:On August 24 2012 21:55 PatouPower wrote:
Omg, this is gonna be really bad. I understand that ESF is doing this to protect their players so that Kespa cannot do what they want with everyone and control the ESF players, but like someone said above, it's gonna hurt OSL, aka OGN, more than anything.
By announcing their decision, even if it was a big jerk and douchebag move, Kespa didn't damage the GSL at all, except for maybe pulling away a couple of Jaedong/Flash/Bisu fangirls and some viewers. But at least they told them in time and, anyways, GSL has more than enough players to fill all the spots (since there is an open qualification process).
I still think that this "war" is gonna be more harmful to the ESF players than to the Kespa ones since the former (at least the top players like MC, MVP, MKP) have a lot more chances to win when the leagues are mixed up, while the chances of a Kespa player winning or advancing in the GSL are rather small.
Anyways, I hope that all of this is going to settle up, even if Blizzard needs to intervene. This is so retarded that everyone gets penalized in the end because one organisation wants total control over their players who are able to take care of themselves anyways.
EDIT: Someone should update the OP to let everyone know about the recent turn of events. Anyways, even if it's settled for now, this is just a pushing the confrontation back and I think it's gonna come back every time there is a major event and Kespa feels that their control is slipping away. This. ESF's move was really harsh in comparison to Kespa's. As far as I understood it wasnt even a contract that said *in Season 4 we will let our players play*. I assume it was a Kespa-sided decision and that they just had their usual trouble communicating it. It's not an eye for an eye... Kespa has broken the trust they were given, and needs to be punished immediately. They can't just have a successful OSL season 1 after this backstab. If the Gom players were retracted the next season it would look silly and stupid, and Kespa would get all the sympathy. This is the only way to punish them, and it is the perfect occasion as the OSL are in desparate need of the Gom players to keep the excitement for this season of OSL. After thinking a little bit more now I can see Kespa being able to keep running Proleague and OSL for years. Their players will become really good after bw is done and the format of these leagues is established for like a decade now? I see this more as a payback move from frustrated (and rightfully so) former Kespa players.
yep pretty much, they're fighting for survival here where ogn can survive long without them as soon as the skill level catches up.
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On August 24 2012 22:27 B.I.G. wrote:
whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years?
ESF teams don't have nearly enough money to pay them. For them it's either stay in a Kespa team or no team at all.
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On August 24 2012 22:26 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote:
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You think the players would willingly turn down the chance to compete in a televised individual league, something they've probably been wanting since they became pros? Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments? Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv. I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here. I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant. These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind. According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing. + Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about.
It is Russian for nothing if I am not mistaken
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On August 24 2012 22:27 B.I.G. wrote:
whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years?
Kespa = the companies that sponsor the teams. Without Kespa, the players and their teams don't have any money.
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On August 24 2012 22:27 B.I.G. wrote:
whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years?
As far as I'm aware a lot of player contracts are set to expire very soon, so it is possible.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50615 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:27 B.I.G. wrote:
whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years?
the sponsors that pay them their salaries.
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On August 24 2012 22:28 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:26 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:
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Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments? Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv. I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here. I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant. These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind. According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing. + Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about. It is Russian for nothing if I am not mistaken
It originates from Spain.
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On August 24 2012 22:29 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:28 schaf wrote:On August 24 2012 22:26 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:
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Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv.
I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here. I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant. These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind. According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing. + Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about. It is Russian for nothing if I am not mistaken It originates from Spain.
woops ^^
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God, this entire thing is so silly. >__<
At least Kespa didn't try to fuck up a tournament that had already started. -__-
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Why are some of you acting like its resolved?
Kespa will not join GSL Season 4, and I imagine ESF will still not join OSL.
Or at least ESF shouldn't, not unless Kespa revokes their decision
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On August 24 2012 22:27 B.I.G. wrote:
whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years?
Kespa is made up of the team's sponsors, too. You shouldn't give your sponsors the finger.
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On August 24 2012 22:26 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:On August 24 2012 21:55 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:52 BrosephBrostar wrote:
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You think the players would willingly turn down the chance to compete in a televised individual league, something they've probably been wanting since they became pros? Why wouldn't they if they think the alternative is death of GSL, their teams, and assimilation by KeSPA, who would restrict access to International tournaments? Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv. I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here. I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant. These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind. According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing. + Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about.
Do people seriously not know nada=nothing? And missed out on the years of Nada puns that pop up in threads?
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On August 24 2012 22:29 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:28 schaf wrote:On August 24 2012 22:26 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:On August 24 2012 21:57 BrosephBrostar wrote:
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Why would they care if GSL died? If they got picked up by kespa teams they would make more money and play on tv.
I can't believe the little guy complex you people all have. It's honestly making me uncomfortable to even post here. I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant. These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind. According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing. + Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about. It is Russian for nothing if I am not mistaken It originates from Spain.
Yeah, that makes sense. I wouldn't have guessed russian; whatever their version of 'nothing' is it's likely derived from 'nyet' (no), so I'd expect it to look rather different.
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On August 24 2012 22:30 ohampatu wrote:
Why are some of you acting like its resolved?
Kespa will not join GSL Season 4, and I imagine ESF will still not join OSL.
Or at least ESF shouldn't, not unless Kespa revokes their decision
kespa will just come back for season 5 then be dicks leave for season 6 and just fuck with gom
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On August 24 2012 22:20 Salazarz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:17 xelnaga_empire wrote:On August 24 2012 22:09 OpticalShot wrote:Jeez, now will all of you put your pitchforks down? As I stated in the earlier thread (of the same issue) it was just a business decision due to lack of detailed schedule planning (source: Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate) and they clearly stated, at least publicly, that they're not trying to create a feud with GOM or the ESF (source: Another Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate). Both of these Fomos articles popped up overnight or something, I didn't see them yesterday. As linked many times, according to This DES Article, KeSPA stated on the 24th (today) that they will send eligible players from ALL teams (stated explicitly in the article as "all teams") to participate in the next GSL (next as in Season 5). They also added that they don't want any more tension in the scene, but that's most likely a PR statement lol. It's not as simple as a scheduling conflict. You must be have the foresight of a blindman if you really think it was only based on the scheduling conflict. As per Fxopenboss's blog, yes GOM was sluggish in getting out their schedule to KESPA. But if you read ESF's official response, it was apparent that GOM was willing to compromise to get the KESPA players in, including giving seeds to KESPA players, etc. KESPA simply tried to undercut GOM and gambled the backlash wouldn't be as bad as it would be. Well, the backlash was more than KESPA imagined, so KESPA, to save face, puts out a statement to say they will participate in GSL season 5. At this point in time, probably to save face, KESPA won't reverse its decision on GSL season 4. I don't know why you are such an ardent KESPA supporter. They are simply doing harm to SC2 and e-sports. I don't know why is anyone such an ardent eSF supporter. KeSPA at least has actual reasons for not playing in GSL s4, whether you like them or agree with them is up to you, but they DO have reasons other than 'haha lets screw with GOM'. The reaction from eSF is not only 100% aimed at assuming the worst from KeSPA without giving them ANY chance whatsoever, but also terrible towards the fans and all the supporting crews who make the tournaments happen - pulling out HALF the lineup of a major tournament a week before it happens, after going through preliminaries and group draws etc, is simply retarded. There's literally no way anyone with a shred of logic can be supporting eSF's decision in this while blaming KeSPA for trying to 'powerplay' over GOM. But yeah, SC community these days is awesome. xd
Pretty much how I feel about this. eSF is killing eSports, KESPA's just holding it's players back for season 5 when they'll be more acclimatised to sc2 and can handle preparing for 3 leagues at once.
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On August 24 2012 22:29 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:29 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:28 schaf wrote:On August 24 2012 22:26 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:24 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 24 2012 22:22 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:21 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:19 X3GoldDot wrote:On August 24 2012 22:07 setzer wrote:
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I shouldn't even take my time responding to a guy named "BrosephBrostar" but I suppose I will since you seem to be pretty ignorant.
These players made shit, nothing, nilch, nada, when they were on KeSPA before. That's why they left. After making money in GSL and having the opportunity to freely play in whatever International tournaments they choose, why would they EVER want to go back to a repressive organization like KeSPA and earn shit money again? If KeSPA teams were so loaded with cash and sponsorship opportunities they wouldn't be down to 7 teams and wouldn't have lost over half its progaming base in the last two years. does nada mean nothing?? yep. weird, in liquipedia it says it means 'its me' Nada in english means nothing. I'm pretty sure that Nada is not an English word and that Lee had the Korean version in mind. According to the mirriam webster nada means nothing. + Show Spoiler +http://mw4.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nada And the Korean definition of nada is completely irrelevant to what setzer was talking about. It is Russian for nothing if I am not mistaken It originates from Spain. woops ^^
Tbh it's almost completely useless information anyway, and I'd have no idea where it originated if i didn't google it a minute earlier lol 
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Spanish is overtaking English.  Also, in less important news, I didn't realize they still skip a season this way. That's not really that much of a victory for ESF, perhaps they should still pull out of the current OSL then.
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