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On August 24 2012 22:29 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:27 B.I.G. wrote:
whats stopping kespa players and teams from giving kespa the finger and joining ESF? I realise they are most likely on contract but I can't imagine it would be a contract that lasts for more than one or two years? As far as I'm aware a lot of player contracts are set to expire very soon, so it is possible.
Yeah I can really see them throwing away their substantial salaries to get paid a pittance with the GOM teams -.-
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Wow... got out of hand pretty fast.
May the Starcraft Gods save us all
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On August 24 2012 22:30 Holgerius wrote:
God, this entire thing is so silly. >__<
At least Kespa didn't try to fuck up a tournament that had already started. -__-
Ye like the upcoming MLG where they had a system with 8 additional seeds only for the Kespa guys. :-)
Watch the shitstorm MLG is getting for their now fucked up group stages.
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On August 24 2012 22:32 sam05396 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:30 ohampatu wrote:
Why are some of you acting like its resolved?
Kespa will not join GSL Season 4, and I imagine ESF will still not join OSL.
Or at least ESF shouldn't, not unless Kespa revokes their decision kespa will just come back for season 5 then be dicks leave for season 6 and just fuck with gom
Exactly.
The 'we'll do it next season' is not a proper response. That was just a pr move to stem the korean netizens from hating.
eSF still needs to boycott untill Kespa plays. If they go into OSL we'll have this same exact thread in 3 months next season.
Bw elitists may defend kespa, but we called this shit long ago, its how Kespa is. Fucking horrible company
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On August 24 2012 22:32 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:20 Salazarz wrote:On August 24 2012 22:17 xelnaga_empire wrote:On August 24 2012 22:09 OpticalShot wrote:Jeez, now will all of you put your pitchforks down? As I stated in the earlier thread (of the same issue) it was just a business decision due to lack of detailed schedule planning (source: Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate) and they clearly stated, at least publicly, that they're not trying to create a feud with GOM or the ESF (source: Another Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate). Both of these Fomos articles popped up overnight or something, I didn't see them yesterday. As linked many times, according to This DES Article, KeSPA stated on the 24th (today) that they will send eligible players from ALL teams (stated explicitly in the article as "all teams") to participate in the next GSL (next as in Season 5). They also added that they don't want any more tension in the scene, but that's most likely a PR statement lol. It's not as simple as a scheduling conflict. You must be have the foresight of a blindman if you really think it was only based on the scheduling conflict. As per Fxopenboss's blog, yes GOM was sluggish in getting out their schedule to KESPA. But if you read ESF's official response, it was apparent that GOM was willing to compromise to get the KESPA players in, including giving seeds to KESPA players, etc. KESPA simply tried to undercut GOM and gambled the backlash wouldn't be as bad as it would be. Well, the backlash was more than KESPA imagined, so KESPA, to save face, puts out a statement to say they will participate in GSL season 5. At this point in time, probably to save face, KESPA won't reverse its decision on GSL season 4. I don't know why you are such an ardent KESPA supporter. They are simply doing harm to SC2 and e-sports. I don't know why is anyone such an ardent eSF supporter. KeSPA at least has actual reasons for not playing in GSL s4, whether you like them or agree with them is up to you, but they DO have reasons other than 'haha lets screw with GOM'. The reaction from eSF is not only 100% aimed at assuming the worst from KeSPA without giving them ANY chance whatsoever, but also terrible towards the fans and all the supporting crews who make the tournaments happen - pulling out HALF the lineup of a major tournament a week before it happens, after going through preliminaries and group draws etc, is simply retarded. There's literally no way anyone with a shred of logic can be supporting eSF's decision in this while blaming KeSPA for trying to 'powerplay' over GOM. But yeah, SC community these days is awesome. xd Pretty much how I feel about this. eSF is killing eSports, KESPA's just holding it's players back for season 5 when they'll be more acclimatised to sc2 and can handle preparing for 3 leagues at once.
ESF is about the closest thing to a player's union in starcraft that there is, and I'm not entirely sure that they aren't needed.
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Slasher just tweeted this;
Rod Breslau @Slasher
KeSPA refuses players in GSL Season 4 and 5, GSL players refuse to play OSL, KeSPA in turn says they will play Season 5. Set and match.
I don't know if it's what he wants to happen or if that's actually something that has been agreed upon, but I thought I'd post it.
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On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late  It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735
What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
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On August 24 2012 22:34 Kenpark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:30 Holgerius wrote:
God, this entire thing is so silly. >__<
At least Kespa didn't try to fuck up a tournament that had already started. -__- Ye like the upcoming MLG where they had a system with 8 additional seeds only for the Kespa guys. :-) Watch the shitstorm MLG is getting for their now fucked up group stages.
Details on this?
I read an article that stated something contrary, and I'm not informed on the MLG side of things.
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On August 24 2012 22:35 Zealously wrote:
Slasher just tweeted this;
Rod Breslau @Slasher
KeSPA refuses players in GSL Season 4 and 5, GSL players refuse to play OSL, KeSPA in turn says they will play Season 5. Set and match.
I don't know if it's what he wants to happen or if that's actually something that has been agreed upon, but I thought I'd post it.
thats what got agreed
but were no farther than we were. kespa will just pull out again, like they just did
we can't trust them on their word, so untill they come through, GOM players better boycott, or else risk Kespa taking over everything like they did in BW
edit: did you see how fast kespa responded...esf just needs to hold out longer, and kespa will give in and play season 4
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Now that the statement its ok from ESF i really really want to answer back that they wont join this OSL.Just like KeSPA doesnt join in GSL 4 ESF must not join OSL...seems fair enough if its played this way
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On August 24 2012 22:35 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:32 Scarecrow wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 Salazarz wrote:On August 24 2012 22:17 xelnaga_empire wrote:On August 24 2012 22:09 OpticalShot wrote:Jeez, now will all of you put your pitchforks down? As I stated in the earlier thread (of the same issue) it was just a business decision due to lack of detailed schedule planning (source: Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate) and they clearly stated, at least publicly, that they're not trying to create a feud with GOM or the ESF (source: Another Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate). Both of these Fomos articles popped up overnight or something, I didn't see them yesterday. As linked many times, according to This DES Article, KeSPA stated on the 24th (today) that they will send eligible players from ALL teams (stated explicitly in the article as "all teams") to participate in the next GSL (next as in Season 5). They also added that they don't want any more tension in the scene, but that's most likely a PR statement lol. It's not as simple as a scheduling conflict. You must be have the foresight of a blindman if you really think it was only based on the scheduling conflict. As per Fxopenboss's blog, yes GOM was sluggish in getting out their schedule to KESPA. But if you read ESF's official response, it was apparent that GOM was willing to compromise to get the KESPA players in, including giving seeds to KESPA players, etc. KESPA simply tried to undercut GOM and gambled the backlash wouldn't be as bad as it would be. Well, the backlash was more than KESPA imagined, so KESPA, to save face, puts out a statement to say they will participate in GSL season 5. At this point in time, probably to save face, KESPA won't reverse its decision on GSL season 4. I don't know why you are such an ardent KESPA supporter. They are simply doing harm to SC2 and e-sports. I don't know why is anyone such an ardent eSF supporter. KeSPA at least has actual reasons for not playing in GSL s4, whether you like them or agree with them is up to you, but they DO have reasons other than 'haha lets screw with GOM'. The reaction from eSF is not only 100% aimed at assuming the worst from KeSPA without giving them ANY chance whatsoever, but also terrible towards the fans and all the supporting crews who make the tournaments happen - pulling out HALF the lineup of a major tournament a week before it happens, after going through preliminaries and group draws etc, is simply retarded. There's literally no way anyone with a shred of logic can be supporting eSF's decision in this while blaming KeSPA for trying to 'powerplay' over GOM. But yeah, SC community these days is awesome. xd Pretty much how I feel about this. eSF is killing eSports, KESPA's just holding it's players back for season 5 when they'll be more acclimatised to sc2 and can handle preparing for 3 leagues at once. ESF is about the closest thing to a player's union in starcraft that there is, and I'm not entirely sure that they aren't needed.
Let the players themself decide in what league they want to participate and in what not.
There are plenty of players under Kespa who are not participating in OSL/WCG/WCS, but who train hard enough to at least earn a chance to qualify for the GSL, imo.
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On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735 What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
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On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735 What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?
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On August 24 2012 22:37 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:35 bo1b wrote:On August 24 2012 22:32 Scarecrow wrote:On August 24 2012 22:20 Salazarz wrote:On August 24 2012 22:17 xelnaga_empire wrote:On August 24 2012 22:09 OpticalShot wrote:Jeez, now will all of you put your pitchforks down? As I stated in the earlier thread (of the same issue) it was just a business decision due to lack of detailed schedule planning (source: Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate) and they clearly stated, at least publicly, that they're not trying to create a feud with GOM or the ESF (source: Another Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate). Both of these Fomos articles popped up overnight or something, I didn't see them yesterday. As linked many times, according to This DES Article, KeSPA stated on the 24th (today) that they will send eligible players from ALL teams (stated explicitly in the article as "all teams") to participate in the next GSL (next as in Season 5). They also added that they don't want any more tension in the scene, but that's most likely a PR statement lol. It's not as simple as a scheduling conflict. You must be have the foresight of a blindman if you really think it was only based on the scheduling conflict. As per Fxopenboss's blog, yes GOM was sluggish in getting out their schedule to KESPA. But if you read ESF's official response, it was apparent that GOM was willing to compromise to get the KESPA players in, including giving seeds to KESPA players, etc. KESPA simply tried to undercut GOM and gambled the backlash wouldn't be as bad as it would be. Well, the backlash was more than KESPA imagined, so KESPA, to save face, puts out a statement to say they will participate in GSL season 5. At this point in time, probably to save face, KESPA won't reverse its decision on GSL season 4. I don't know why you are such an ardent KESPA supporter. They are simply doing harm to SC2 and e-sports. I don't know why is anyone such an ardent eSF supporter. KeSPA at least has actual reasons for not playing in GSL s4, whether you like them or agree with them is up to you, but they DO have reasons other than 'haha lets screw with GOM'. The reaction from eSF is not only 100% aimed at assuming the worst from KeSPA without giving them ANY chance whatsoever, but also terrible towards the fans and all the supporting crews who make the tournaments happen - pulling out HALF the lineup of a major tournament a week before it happens, after going through preliminaries and group draws etc, is simply retarded. There's literally no way anyone with a shred of logic can be supporting eSF's decision in this while blaming KeSPA for trying to 'powerplay' over GOM. But yeah, SC community these days is awesome. xd Pretty much how I feel about this. eSF is killing eSports, KESPA's just holding it's players back for season 5 when they'll be more acclimatised to sc2 and can handle preparing for 3 leagues at once. ESF is about the closest thing to a player's union in starcraft that there is, and I'm not entirely sure that they aren't needed. Let the players themself decide in what league they want to participate and in what not. There are plenty of players under Kespa who are not participating in OSL/WCG/WCS, but who train hard enough to at least earn a chance to qualify for the GSL, imo.
For sure, but that wouldn't have happened without esf making demands.
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Hope this will get resolved fast, without further harm to the esport scene.
However, i will do everything i can to support gom & ESF, since I think they actually globalized the korean esport scene a lot, and making it more avaible to us foreigners.
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On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735 What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.
well it turns out that money aids e-sports, also if gom participates in osl and kespa doesnt in gsl, gom will be dead in no time
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On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious. From ESF// First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time. Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us. We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions. GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward. Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation. GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa. One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG. E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain. We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL. It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation. Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you. Thanks E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook source http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735 What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here. $50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S
nvm him, problably bw elitist
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Gom will be dead in no time anyway.
Just the fact that OGN actually has a korean viewer base, that GOM lacks should be sufficient
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On August 24 2012 22:28 schaf wrote:
It is Russian for nothing if I am not mistaken
you are, nothing is "ni-che-go" in russian. By some funny coincidence sounds pretty korean
ps: just let me watch my OSL i ask no more. GSL feat. kespa-guys is a nice bonus though.
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On August 24 2012 22:41 Yoshi- wrote:
Gom will be dead in no time anyway.
Just the fact that OGN actually has a korean viewer base, that GOM lacks should be sufficient
That's only half the equation. There's us foreign audience ^_^
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