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hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
August 24 2012 13:43 GMT
#1121
Gom has been very good to non-Korean fans. They have provided I high quality competition with good production. Kespa do not even provide English commentary.

I really hope that non-Korean fans do not give anything to Kespa related competitions (excluding MLG - which has only recently aligned with kespa and still has time to distance themselves).
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
August 24 2012 13:43 GMT
#1122
Oh god the shitstorm ! Sounds so stupid after what happened to Violet... Like really too down-to-earth for me today
I got five reasons for you to shut up
blamekilly
Profile Joined April 2011
466 Posts
August 24 2012 13:43 GMT
#1123
On August 24 2012 22:20 DreamOen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:18 blamekilly wrote:
I still think it was a dick move by the esports federation for pulling their players during a tournament that was still in progress. Kespa at least had the decency to announce ahead of time that their players would not participate in the GSL qualifiers.

Even with the recent announcement of Kespa players being able to compete in GSL 5, I don't see this ending well. eSF are showing that they are an uncontrollable bunch that will let their emotions control their actions. Who says something like this won't happen again?

I think it was a show of power, like we arent afraid to cut up your throat with no regrets.



Yes and you know what could happen next? OSL could make the players sign a contract saying they can't leave the tournament unless it was for medical reasons and then the eSF players will boycott again.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 24 2012 13:43 GMT
#1124
Thank you ESF, for stepping up to the plate and not taking Kespa's garbage. That move by them was nothing but a money grabber, and a perfect way to ruin the ESF and GOMtv. Kespa doesn't run the show anymore, thank you for showing that today.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 13:45:18
August 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#1125
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S


On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.

So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?


Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.

Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.

I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.

On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S

nvm him, problably bw elitist


What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#1126
On August 24 2012 22:43 blamekilly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:20 DreamOen wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:18 blamekilly wrote:
I still think it was a dick move by the esports federation for pulling their players during a tournament that was still in progress. Kespa at least had the decency to announce ahead of time that their players would not participate in the GSL qualifiers.

Even with the recent announcement of Kespa players being able to compete in GSL 5, I don't see this ending well. eSF are showing that they are an uncontrollable bunch that will let their emotions control their actions. Who says something like this won't happen again?

I think it was a show of power, like we arent afraid to cut up your throat with no regrets.



Yes and you know what could happen next? OSL could make the players sign a contract saying they can't leave the tournament unless it was for medical reasons and then the eSF players will boycott again.


That sounds like the start of players union, which might be good in this case.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Krunked
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden63 Posts
August 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#1127
i stand behinde ESF on this one
sad but needs to be done
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
August 24 2012 13:44 GMT
#1128
Looks like a two big kids fighting on the other side of Earth.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
August 24 2012 13:45 GMT
#1129
Fucking Kespa...

I might have known they would pull this shit.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
August 24 2012 13:45 GMT
#1130
Tragically the KeSPA players seem to be just better than the GSL players. This is pretty much the biggest problem.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
August 24 2012 13:46 GMT
#1131
On August 24 2012 22:43 hzflank wrote:
Gom has been very good to non-Korean fans. They have provided I high quality competition with good production. Kespa do not even provide English commentary.

I really hope that non-Korean fans do not give anything to Kespa related competitions (excluding MLG - which has only recently aligned with kespa and still has time to distance themselves).


OGN provides HD streams for free. Harp on Kespa all you want but lets be real.
STX Fighting!
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 13:47:42
August 24 2012 13:46 GMT
#1132
On August 24 2012 22:42 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:41 Yoshi- wrote:
Gom will be dead in no time anyway.

Just the fact that OGN actually has a korean viewer base, that GOM lacks should be sufficient


That's only half the equation. There's us foreign audience ^_^


The issues with that is, that kespa can run a free 720p on twitch without any issues, they can run their league without getting massive of amounts of subscription money from foreigner. But for GOM this money is really important.
So who will you watch the stream that is HQ for free or the 360p p2watch stream?

So gom will lose out, they don't have the korean audience to pay for their tournaments via advertisement and so they can't afford to run free streams for foreigners
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2012 13:46 GMT
#1133
On August 24 2012 22:44 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S


Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.

So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?


Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.

Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.

I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S

nvm him, problably bw elitist


What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.

The irony of that last sentence is amazing.
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
August 24 2012 13:47 GMT
#1134
On August 24 2012 22:46 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:42 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:41 Yoshi- wrote:
Gom will be dead in no time anyway.

Just the fact that OGN actually has a korean viewer base, that GOM lacks should be sufficient


That's only half the equation. There's us foreign audience ^_^


The issues with that is, that kespa can run a free 720p on twitch without any issues, they can run their league without getting massive of amounts of subscription money from foreigner. But for GOM this money is really important.
So who will you watch the stream that is HQ for free or the 360p p2watch stream?


Also OGN has much better production values
Jaedong & Faker
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
August 24 2012 13:47 GMT
#1135
On August 24 2012 22:32 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:20 Salazarz wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:17 xelnaga_empire wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:09 OpticalShot wrote:
Jeez, now will all of you put your pitchforks down? As I stated in the earlier thread (of the same issue) it was just a business decision due to lack of detailed schedule planning (source: Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate) and they clearly stated, at least publicly, that they're not trying to create a feud with GOM or the ESF (source: Another Fomos Source, Not Allowed to Translate). Both of these Fomos articles popped up overnight or something, I didn't see them yesterday.

As linked many times, according to This DES Article, KeSPA stated on the 24th (today) that they will send eligible players from ALL teams (stated explicitly in the article as "all teams") to participate in the next GSL (next as in Season 5). They also added that they don't want any more tension in the scene, but that's most likely a PR statement lol.


It's not as simple as a scheduling conflict. You must be have the foresight of a blindman if you really think it was only based on the scheduling conflict.

As per Fxopenboss's blog, yes GOM was sluggish in getting out their schedule to KESPA. But if you read ESF's official response, it was apparent that GOM was willing to compromise to get the KESPA players in, including giving seeds to KESPA players, etc.

KESPA simply tried to undercut GOM and gambled the backlash wouldn't be as bad as it would be. Well, the backlash was more than KESPA imagined, so KESPA, to save face, puts out a statement to say they will participate in GSL season 5. At this point in time, probably to save face, KESPA won't reverse its decision on GSL season 4.

I don't know why you are such an ardent KESPA supporter. They are simply doing harm to SC2 and e-sports.


I don't know why is anyone such an ardent eSF supporter. KeSPA at least has actual reasons for not playing in GSL s4, whether you like them or agree with them is up to you, but they DO have reasons other than 'haha lets screw with GOM'. The reaction from eSF is not only 100% aimed at assuming the worst from KeSPA without giving them ANY chance whatsoever, but also terrible towards the fans and all the supporting crews who make the tournaments happen - pulling out HALF the lineup of a major tournament a week before it happens, after going through preliminaries and group draws etc, is simply retarded. There's literally no way anyone with a shred of logic can be supporting eSF's decision in this while blaming KeSPA for trying to 'powerplay' over GOM.

But yeah, SC community these days is awesome. xd

Pretty much how I feel about this. eSF is killing eSports, KESPA's just holding it's players back for season 5 when they'll be more acclimatised to sc2 and can handle preparing for 3 leagues at once.


That's a load of bologna, otherwise we wouldn't have ESF players in OSL to begin with. Kespa even said they were planning to hold from season 5 as well, until ESF struck back. Good for ESF. Kespa doesn't run the show anymore.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
August 24 2012 13:48 GMT
#1136
On August 24 2012 22:46 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:44 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S


On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.

So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?


Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.

Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.

I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.

On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S

nvm him, problably bw elitist


What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.

The irony of that last sentence is amazing.


Care to point out what part of what I said is wrong?
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2012 13:48 GMT
#1137
On August 24 2012 22:46 vesicular wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:43 hzflank wrote:
Gom has been very good to non-Korean fans. They have provided I high quality competition with good production. Kespa do not even provide English commentary.

I really hope that non-Korean fans do not give anything to Kespa related competitions (excluding MLG - which has only recently aligned with kespa and still has time to distance themselves).


OGN provides HD streams for free. Harp on Kespa all you want but lets be real.

The ogn lol free stream is the same quality as the gom free stream, and we already saw restreams get shut down during the last osl finals. I really doubt that ogn will keep letting foreigners watch free hd sc.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 24 2012 13:49 GMT
#1138
OGN already charges for LoL. I am pretty sure that they will charge for SC2, too pretty soon.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 24 2012 13:49 GMT
#1139
On August 24 2012 22:48 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:46 bo1b wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:44 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S


On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.

So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?


Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.

Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.

I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.

On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S

nvm him, problably bw elitist


What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.

The irony of that last sentence is amazing.


Care to point out what part of what I said is wrong?

That gom didn't make the demands in the first place, that esf is a seperate entity to gom.
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
August 24 2012 13:49 GMT
#1140
On August 24 2012 22:44 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S


Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 22:39 bo1b wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.

So drg and nestea et al. want to charge 50$ from viewers?


Don't you guys remember when GSL was just starting way back when? They just said $30 to view live, extra $20 for vods. We have a low-quality free stream thanks to community backlash, but the fact that they did this remains.

Basically, GOM doesn't want to lose their foreign cash-cow, while OGN by and large doesn't give a fuck. They continue to operate on commercial money and such, while providing a "free" product. Cue GOM getting mad at OGN/KeSPA for trying to corner the market. It's a normal power struggle, and everyone knows it, it's just that the GOM representatives' statements are... well, nevermind that.

I'm just going to see how this pans out, but KeSPA/OGN traditionally have the upper hand in those things.

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On August 24 2012 22:41 raser wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:38 Thinasy wrote:
On August 24 2012 22:36 Nikon wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:39 wwowz wrote:
Here is the translation. Hope I'm not too late It was pretty hard to translate as the response from ESF was really formal and serious.

From ESF//

First of all, on behalf of E-sports federation, we are truly sad about what happened to KT's Woo Jeong Ho. We are truly sad to deliver this news around this time.

Yesterday, we received a statement from Kespa that the players will not participate in GSL season. This was a shocking and disappointing news to us.

We want to express our apology on the breach in partnership between Kespa and Esports Federation and on Kespa's decisions.

GOMTV devoted great amount of effort to succesfully globalize Korean E-sports ever since the release of Starcraft II 2 years ago.

Thanks to this, "E-sports Federation" was assembled to work side-by-side with GOMTV in the hope to carry Korean E-sports a step forward.

Considering the days of "GOMTV Classic", the decision by Kespa to not participate in GSL is not a simple issue and we are afraid that it might recur in the future considering the situation.

GOMTV provided Kespa players with various accommodations regarding the schedule and application process and yet the decision by Kespa seems to spoil the partnership between E-sports Federation and Kespa.

One of the reasons that Kespa will not participate in GSL was that there is a conflict in scheduling of the players. This is pretty hard to accept as GOMTV was able to accommodate many schedule conflicts without any problem for the past 2 years and this was also the case for Kespa players who participated in WCS and WCG.

E-Sports Federation does not want GSL to be removed from Korean E-sports and if it does, the effect of E-sports Federation players to the global E-sports will decrease for certain.

We think that it is mandatory for Kespa to work with us and show great games to our viewers. As such, we have contacted teams of E-sports Federation (Startale, LG-IM, Prime, MVP, NSH, TSL, FXO) regarding the players who are participating in OSL (Nestea, MVP, DRG, MKP, Parting, San) to make the following decision:

For the better future of Korean E-sports, we politely ask Kespa players to participate in GSL and until Kespa decides to allow their players to join GSL without any problem, we have decided to pull our players from OSL.

It is also difficult for us to make such harsh decisions but we think it is necessary to appeal the dignity of GOMTV and E-sports Federation.

Once again, we are truly apologetic regarding such news and we hope that Kespa would cooperate so that we can show amazing games to all of you.

Thanks

E-sports Federation Player representative Jae Deok "Nestea" IM
E-sports Federation President Won Jong Wook

source
http://www.thisisgame.com/board/view.php?category=13438&id=1273735


What a bunch of hogwash, they wanted to popularise SC2 in the foreign scene by collecting $50 from every viewer, and now they feel that it's mandatory for KeSPA players to participate in their leagues? Someone sounds a bit desperate here.


$50 from every viewer? what are you on about?:S

nvm him, problably bw elitist


What kind of post is that -.-;; Educate yourself, yo.




LOL in sc1 This is SC2 and GSL runs shit over here!!! The only reason people watched OSL are because of the GOM-Kespa rivalry...... Only because we wanted to see how BW pros would addapt to the new game!!! I could care less about who is in OSL if I dont know 1 single player! and at this point in time stil far behind GSL players im not talking about the couple few that can hang with them
But overall leaugue skill
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