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MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
August 24 2012 10:27 GMT
#541
I think as much as we want to support and see the KESPA players, everyone should back esf on this one and make an effort to watch the gsl, KESPA needs to fuck off
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
August 24 2012 10:27 GMT
#542
On August 24 2012 19:25 leveller wrote:
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On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people.


the "teams" ARE kespa.

? no, there's got to be a hierarchy. kespa players were fed up with kespa long before this, meaning if they had any power they would have done something. but they didn't = no power.
hi. big fan.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2012 10:27 GMT
#543
On August 24 2012 19:19 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
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On August 24 2012 19:17 mrtomjones wrote:
What did Blizzard say 30 minutes ago?

nothing I said this news came out 30 mins ago so of course blizz hasnt made a response yet read better plz

-_- Thanks for the polite reply.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 24 2012 10:27 GMT
#544
On August 24 2012 19:26 Nahsom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:24 FataLe wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:17 JyB wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people.


Why people keep bringing that up ? They are PAID by Kespa, aren't they ?

sure but esf could offer refuge + im sure the teams sponsors could support them


I think we will find someone to take care of jaedong *lol*


I'm sure some would give JD money the moment he starts looking at you then smiling.
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Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
August 24 2012 10:27 GMT
#545
On August 24 2012 19:25 Zealously wrote:
I can't think of any time the "Well, that escalated quickly"-meme has been more appropriate. What the shit. Both KeSPA and Gom needs to get their shit together, because the fans won't like this one bit.

GOM didn't do anything...just read the damn article.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 24 2012 10:28 GMT
#546
On August 24 2012 18:44 EnE wrote:
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On August 24 2012 18:41 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!

They are good enough to not get owned by random code B's. If the qualifiers were held, due to their big numbers I suspect around half would be Kespa players getting through.



Why...based on what? I've never seen proof that Kespa players are code A level.


WCS?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
August 24 2012 10:28 GMT
#547
I like the balls from the ESF,showing KeSPA, that they are not the Bosses anymore.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
August 24 2012 10:28 GMT
#548
Same thing for every sport haha MONEY !

+ Show Spoiler +
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Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
August 24 2012 10:28 GMT
#549
FXOBoss's thoughts on the matter:
http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/30093362883/sharpen-the-pitchforks-light-the-torches-kespa-is

Sorry if it was already posted.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
August 24 2012 10:29 GMT
#550
On August 24 2012 19:28 GolemMadness wrote:
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On August 24 2012 18:44 EnE wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:41 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST!

They are good enough to not get owned by random code B's. If the qualifiers were held, due to their big numbers I suspect around half would be Kespa players getting through.



Why...based on what? I've never seen proof that Kespa players are code A level.


WCS?

was thinking the same thing have you watched any of the WCS lol?
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
August 24 2012 10:29 GMT
#551
On August 24 2012 19:28 DreamOen wrote:
I like the balls from the ESF,showing KeSPA, that they are not the Bosses anymore.

They would have had to anyway lest kespa run all over them by constantly pulling out.
hi. big fan.
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
August 24 2012 10:29 GMT
#552
On August 24 2012 19:08 xSTaRFiSHx wrote:
I totally fail to understand how people can argue withdrawing from an ongoing league makes esf the bad guy in this!?

This is just messed up, it honestly shouldnt matter even if it would be round of 4 with all-gsl-players now withdrawing.
Seriously.
It's about kespa doing the same shit over and over and esf trying to preserve their players freedom by showing kespa how enough is enough.
It amazes me how much the "free" players are in support of gomtv and I think it should be, at least, be taken into consideration how much positive feedback esf did get from korean netizens (according to posts earlier in this thread).
I believe some people in here only judge the one who (imo) points at the problem (ESF)
and not the one who really is the source of the problem (kespa).

Please consider this when you make up an opinion regarding this mess.




Not only does GOM give player total freedom of where to to play in wich tourneys. They actively try to make shedule changes to accomodate players.
Also all the seeds given to foreingers and partnerships with foreign tourney's
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
August 24 2012 10:29 GMT
#553
If things were to go right, GOM players are supposed to receive more exposure in the korean scene which could potentially gain them more sponsors. Kespa is probably trying to deny them and keep the money within their own teams instead. GOM players have almost nothing to lose through this move.

I bet Kespa players themselves are secretly rooting for ESF instead. Schedule clashes, overworked are just excuses. If they have more freedom to choose what they want to participate, they can choose what they want to join and not join. Different players have different schedule preferences and amount of stamina. Open competition between tournaments is good for the overall development of e-sports. Weird how nobody comments on MLG getting fucked indirectly too :D
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 24 2012 10:30 GMT
#554
On August 24 2012 19:27 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:25 leveller wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people.


the "teams" ARE kespa.

? no, there's got to be a hierarchy. kespa players were fed up with kespa long before this, meaning if they had any power they would have done something. but they didn't = no power.

You seem to not understand what it means to be a part of a professional team...
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 10:33:38
August 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#555
wtf, is it me or does this hurt their own players a lot as well (EFS's players); afaik, it's most of their dream to be playing in an OSL, and there is a huge chance that one of them will win it as well. Must be REALLY disappointing for them to give up this chance.

Also, as others mentioned, since the BW scene is bigger than the SC2 scene in Korea, this is a big chance to give some of these EFs players exposure to the new switching scene in Korea.

Just sounds to me like a bad thought out retaliation, doing it out of spite or something
OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
August 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#556
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/ If anyone could translate the boards it would be nice....what I'm getting is that everything on the first page is that Kespa is in the wrong.....Am I rite?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#557
""Broken promises... it meant nothing after all!!
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Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
August 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#558
wow this is insanity. I like it.
Chenz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 10:33:25
August 24 2012 10:31 GMT
#559
On August 24 2012 19:27 FataLe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:25 leveller wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people.


the "teams" ARE kespa.

? no, there's got to be a hierarchy. kespa players were fed up with kespa long before this, meaning if they had any power they would have done something. but they didn't = no power.

AFAIK KeSPA are the sponsors. Essentially, Samsung and the Korean telecom companies are trying to kill the competition. I know what brand my next phone wont be.

Edit: I'm really not an expert on the BW scene, but I've heard this stated a couple of times on TL.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4559 Posts
August 24 2012 10:32 GMT
#560
On August 24 2012 19:31 Chenz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:27 FataLe wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:25 leveller wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people.


the "teams" ARE kespa.

? no, there's got to be a hierarchy. kespa players were fed up with kespa long before this, meaning if they had any power they would have done something. but they didn't = no power.

AFAIK KeSPA are the sponsors. Essentially, Samsung and the Korean telecom companies are trying to kill the competition. I know what brand my next phone wont be.

okay if the sponsors are running the show that really sucks. they're pretty screwed imo.
hi. big fan.
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