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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Gosi wrote: I'm sure Samsung will shed a tear because Chenz from Sweden won't buy a Samsung cellphone... That's not the point, but that might be hard for you to understand. | ||
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TeckniC
United States1 Post
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: none of them are, I can assure you that. Can't assure anything. Much like how he doesn't know what the kespa players are thinking. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:35 SkelA wrote: You know the saying when Gom and KESPA are arguing a 3rd party profits ( Riot/LoL) Yup, they are laughing at us in their million dollar mansions right now. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Gosi wrote: I'm sure Samsung will shed a tear because Chenz from Sweden won't buy a Samsung cellphone... If they don't care, why sponsor any team at all? Why do advertisment at all? By the way, Samsung won't be selling their Galaxy phones in Korea. Their court banned both Samsung and Apple lol. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:33 MCXD wrote: Or perhaps they realized there is something more important than holding one particular trophy that was much more prestigious in BW than in SC2. I couldn't agree more. The OSL had to prove it could carry its prestige from BW to SC2. This was the tournament that could settle this, though I think a lot of fan were confident.. I don't think it will mean a huge disappointement for ESF's players, since a Kespa-players only OSL in SC2 won't place OSL on the ladder of prestige in SC2 tournaments (well, basically, it won't be comparable to GSL, it won't be possible to rank them...). Then, imo OSL will remain irrelevant in SC2 until GSL players get in (or at least, not AS relevant as if GSL players, especially Code S, played it.) | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Warlock40 wrote: What I'm wondering is this: why are the ESF teams so loyal to GSL? Sure, it was their big break, and they enjoyed a lot of attention the last two years, but do they really value this relationship with GOM over the pure selfish value of jumping ship? I mean, surely it would be strictly in their interest if the ESF teams all abandoned the GSL and instead participated only in the OSL, which would then become the centrepiece for SC2. So why have they instead decided to leave OSL and stick with GSL? Surely it has to be more than loyalty and friendship. But if it really is out of pure loyalty, then I would think that the ESF teams are to be commended, even if it turns out that, in the long run, this is a bad move for the SC2 scene in general. Because, as it happens, there is SOME good in the world. When a company unfairly refuses to let their players participate in things they were openly excited to participate in, then publicly lies about the reasons (or so it seems), those with the voice and power call them out on it. | ||
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Of course, what i am saying is pure fantasy, but a players association within kespa would protect their interests | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Warlock40 wrote: What I'm wondering is this: why are the ESF teams so loyal to GSL? Sure, it was their big break, and they enjoyed a lot of attention the last two years, but do they really value this relationship with GOM over the pure selfish value of jumping ship? I mean, surely it would be strictly in their interest if the ESF teams all abandoned the GSL and instead participated only in the OSL, which would then become the centrepiece for SC2. So why have they instead decided to leave OSL and stick with GSL? Surely it has to be more than loyalty and friendship. But if it really is out of pure loyalty, then I would think that the ESF teams are to be commended, even if it turns out that, in the long run, this is a bad move for the SC2 scene in general. There's only value in jumping ship if you can't see further than the tip of your nose. It should be obvious that if GOM dies, esf teams are impacted negatively. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Disengaged wrote: Can't assure anything. Much like how he doesn't know what the kespa players are thinking. hmm, if I had korean skills I could tweet at the players and ask them myself. | ||
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Jamial
Denmark1289 Posts
On August 24 2012 17:50 X3GoldDot wrote: lol what.... this is turning to kill e-sports -.- Why would this kill eSports? If anything, Kespa is killing eSports - Fucking money hungry, monopoly holding pieces of shit they are. Never had a good impression of them. | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Chenz wrote: That's not the point, but that might be hard for you to understand. What is your point then? | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
Then what is up with you posting all this junk? On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote: What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people. On August 24 2012 19:32 FataLe wrote: okay if the sponsors are running the show that really sucks. they're pretty screwed imo. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:37 Warlock40 wrote: What I'm wondering is this: why are the ESF teams so loyal to GSL? Sure, it was their big break, and they enjoyed a lot of attention the last two years, but do they really value this relationship with GOM over the pure selfish value of jumping ship? I mean, surely it would be strictly in their interest if the ESF teams all abandoned the GSL and instead participated only in the OSL, which would then become the centrepiece for SC2. So why have they instead decided to leave OSL and stick with GSL? Surely it has to be more than loyalty and friendship. But if it really is out of pure loyalty, then I would think that the ESF teams are to be commended, even if it turns out that, in the long run, this is a bad move for the SC2 scene in general. Alot of people seem to think this is all a loyalty play. I'm sure that might be some of it, but I think that the eSF players saw that they can potentially force a change in KeSPA for the first time in their careers - remember that all of these players have years of experience being under KeSPA so know alot more about what the players go through then people on TL. | ||
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Wayne123
88 Posts
Starcraft 2 is Blizzard´s interllectual property, right? So they could say to anyone: "You can´t broadcast our game we won´t allow that and if you do so you break the law and we will sue you." Is that correct? | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4494 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:39 Jamial wrote: Why would this kill eSports? If anything, Kespa is killing eSports - Fucking money hungry, monopoly holding pieces of shit they are. Never had a good impression of them. that's what he means, the entire situation could turn out to kill e-sports. at least gloabally. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4494 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:39 ShadeR wrote: Then what is up with you posting all this junk? they're my thoughts and opinions. wow stop being so aggressive. | ||
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lost_artz
United States366 Posts
On August 24 2012 19:40 Wayne123 wrote: I got a question: Starcraft 2 is Blizzard´s interllectual property, right? So they could say to anyone: "You can´t broadcast our game we won´t allow that and if you do so you break the law and we will sue you." Is that correct? Yes, so long as they don't have Blizz's permission. | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
OGN GOMTV KesPA KesPA players ESF ESF players KesPA prevents KesPA players from participating in the league because then the league KesPA is in control of (OGN) have everything GOMTV's league (GSL) aswell as KesPA players, which will be more exciting. ESF knows that this will make GOMTV fall of if nothing is done against it, but first lets discuss difference between the organizations and the players. KesPA is a dictatorship, they tell their players what they play in and the players have no choice but to do as they're told, because of contracts. ESF is a democrazy, they plan together with their players, and their decisisons are not final untill the players have said so. ESF was mainly supported by GOMTV during the first 1½ years of the teams existing, and they knew that this move by KesPA would make OSL far bigger then GSL. And now we have KesPA players, where the vast majority have said that they would like to play in the GSL, so what ESF is doing here is not only saving GOMTV but also trying to free the KesPA players from the iron grasp of KesPA. Most people agree dictatorship is bad, which is why we always try and bring democrazy to countries without it, this is kinda similar. | ||
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Chenz
Sweden1197 Posts
Principle. I'm perfectly aware that me not buying Samsung products will not make any difference at all for them, but if I can support a company that's not actively trying to ruin SC2, that's what I'll do. | ||
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