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Well, that is to be expected considering they absolutely won't allow KeSPa to boss them around anymore. They are in the advantage now, and they shouldn't let that get in kespa's hands if they know what's good for them.
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On August 24 2012 19:23 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it. And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams. Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa. Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on! Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games. if gom dies i'm getting the fuck away from gaming. this makes me sick to think that nerds did this to them selves.
Nerds didn't, businessmen who probably haven't played a game of SC2 in their life did.
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On August 24 2012 19:21 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:19 Integra wrote:On August 24 2012 19:18 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 19:17 mrtomjones wrote:
What did Blizzard say 30 minutes ago? Blizzard said something? Blizzard hasn't said anything yet. Blizzard will make an announcement soon™
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On August 24 2012 19:23 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it. And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams. Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa. Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on! Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games. if gom dies i'm getting the fuck away from gaming. this makes me sick to think that nerds did this to them selves.
Kespa ain't nerds, they are businessmen. Big difference.
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Why can't we all just get along? This hurts everyone involved and potentially all of sc2
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On August 24 2012 19:17 JyB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people. Why people keep bringing that up ? They are PAID by Kespa, aren't they ?
sure but esf could offer refuge + im sure the teams sponsors could support them
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The best move they could have made. ESF doesnt really loose anything maybe the prestige but the put Kespa on the sport.
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On August 24 2012 19:23 ImNightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:23 FataLe wrote:On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it. And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams. Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa. Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on! Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games. if gom dies i'm getting the fuck away from gaming. this makes me sick to think that nerds did this to them selves. Kespa ain't nerds, they are businessmen. Big difference.
what i meant was, they allowed these crafty kents to impose on them.
i'm not placing the blame squarely on the pro gamers. but it takes two to tango.
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On August 24 2012 19:15 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:06 NoobSkills wrote:On August 24 2012 18:57 Tantaburs wrote:On August 24 2012 18:53 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 18:45 Tantaburs wrote:
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2. Do some research and tell me when KeSPA actually gave a fuck to what Blizzard thinks or who Blizzard gives broadcasting rights to. KeSPA has the support of Korean government (it's unreasonable to think otherwise, without that how could KeSPA take on Blizzard this well?), GOM does not. KeSPA can make an OSL just as good without ESF players. Hell, even GOM can make a GSL without KeSPA players. Why can't KeSPA make an OSL without ESF players? How many ESF players played in the previous OSLs? The answer is as you know, zero. All current ESF players that happened to have played in any OSL was a KeSPA player back then, so they don't count. Blizzard has complete control over SC2 which is something they didn't have in BW. Blizzard can Blacklist the IP that they are broadcasting from. They can ban the commentators. They can disconnect the players mid game. If KeSPA uses a hacked version then they can and will be sued. You were the last post in this thread, so I chose you sorry. The complete ignorance and rush in this thread is ridiculous. Blizzard does have complete control, but Blizzard is not a dumb company. Kespa has run things and created the esport side of RTS with BW. Blizzard had nothing to do with it. And with that KESPA secured so many sponsors and even a television company. Blizzard does not have control if they want to remain in a market that is so heavily influenced by KESPA they have to fall in line. Two despite the fact that I don't think KESPA would do this to both of your points. Blizzard can blacklist IP's. KESPA could create a LAN mode, or even more easily use the Korean government to keep their IP secret. They can't ban commentators lol? Commentators are people and they can choose to do as they please. They could disconnect players from the game, but what happens if they don't know the account? If KESPA were to be sued KESPA would probably win again. And they didn't really win, but Blizzard had no shot. Now, I don't think any of that will happen, but seriously stop posting out of your ass guys. Read FXO Boss' blog because it is most likely how this will wind up. Power is power and money is money, sorry guys. http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it. Yea, but c'mon GOM is involved lol. The reason KeSPA didn't switch to SC2 when it came out was because blizz wouldn't let them broadcast. If KeSPA and GOm go to war and Blizz sides with GOM then KeSPA will die. If KeSPA broadcasts without a license then they are openly committing a crime and that is not something that major companies want to be associated with.
The reason KeSPA didn't switch was because they didn't think it was good enough game. Blizz was in a dispute with them and attempted to stop them from broadcasting. Blizz was not successful in case you didn't notice the last OSL went off with out a hitch. Blizz dropped the case.
Blizzard logically will not choose GOM. GOM has no influence in Korea whereas KESPA is in bed with too many large companies to be ignored. And you also missed that I was merely pointing out that his post was full of fallacies. By the way, KESPA played BroodWar without Blizz' permission and these companies were on board, maybe a legal battle might change things (if things got ugly), but these companies were fine with it then, and might be fine with it now.
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On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people.
the "teams" ARE kespa.
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On August 24 2012 19:22 ridethecatbus wrote:
If this goes on long enough, I wonder if the lower level KeSPA players will simply defect en masse and form teams within ESF. Obviously only a few players like Flash are making bank, so if this persists, I don't see what the regulars have to lose by leaving.
Why would they? Leaving a regular salary and a tournament of at least comparable prize to compete against much more experienced competition sounds like a terrible idea.
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On August 24 2012 19:24 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:17 JyB wrote:On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people. Why people keep bringing that up ? They are PAID by Kespa, aren't they ? sure but esf could offer refuge + im sure the teams sponsors could support them
That would be some pretty sick move. Players don't deserve being shackled to an org. because of a paycheck...
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I can't think of any time the "Well, that escalated quickly"-meme has been more appropriate. What the shit. Both KeSPA and ESF needs to get their shit together, because the fans won't like this one bit.
Edit: Sorry, not Gom, ESF.
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Go on ESF! Stick it to the man.
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Good thing that both Taeja and HerO didn't qualify for OSL, or else Liquid will be in trouble just like Oz.
And seriously this Kespa vs ESF just looks like North Korea vs South Korea.
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On August 24 2012 19:24 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:17 JyB wrote:On August 24 2012 19:14 FataLe wrote:
What happens if all the Kespa players just decide to say fuck it and leave kespa? I'm sure the teams will still support them and i'm not sure kespa would pursue legal action vs that many people. Why people keep bringing that up ? They are PAID by Kespa, aren't they ? sure but esf could offer refuge + im sure the teams sponsors could support them
I think we will find someone to take care of jaedong *lol*
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On August 24 2012 19:25 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:23 ImNightmare wrote:On August 24 2012 19:23 FataLe wrote:On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it. And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams. Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa. Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on! Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games. if gom dies i'm getting the fuck away from gaming. this makes me sick to think that nerds did this to them selves. Kespa ain't nerds, they are businessmen. Big difference. what i meant was, they allowed these crafty kents to impose on them. i'm not placing the blame squarely on the pro gamers. but it takes two to tango.
Ahh... I see what you mean.. but that's the sad state of korea gaming. You are Kespa or you are nothing during BW era.
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On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it. And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams. Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa. Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on! Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games.
GOM won't die with or without Kespa players. They haven't had them this entire time. Suddenly being denied them isn't going to change a damned thing. What hurts Gom isn't being denied a group of players, its competition. OGN can put on one hell of a show.
GSL is like your first car. You love it because it is your first, you can ignore that its far from the greatest.
OSL is what you trade your first car in for. An upgrade, you love it but will miss your first car.
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