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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#501
This was the only response. I hope they (both camps) will see that the korean scene does not benefit from a 2-sided boycot and re-open negotiations.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#502
ESF just saved GOM's ass. KeSPA's decision was going to fuck GOM over really, really hard. This shifts the blame back to KeSPA where it belongs. Hope everything gets resolved, but I'm not holding my breath.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#503
On August 24 2012 19:17 mrtomjones wrote:
What did Blizzard say 30 minutes ago?

nothing I said this news came out 30 mins ago so of course blizz hasnt made a response yet read better plz
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#504
On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.

And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams.

Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa.

Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on!
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#505
On August 24 2012 19:18 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:17 mrtomjones wrote:
What did Blizzard say 30 minutes ago?

Blizzard said something?


I think he meant this ESF withdrawal thing. Not a blizzard response.

I think.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-24 10:19:55
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#506
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

This is incorrect. ESF was founded because the new teams didn't like the way KeSPA restricted player freedom, and it served to protect the ESF teams for awhile so that they could find sponsors and maintain their own autonomy.

Them seeing KeSPA enforce restrictive rules like back in the old day, threatens the ESF teams. Eventually KeSPA will be one of the big decision-making organizations in the Korean SC2 scene, and if they have regulations which restrict KeSPA teams from participating in other tournaments, what is to stop them from setting out restrictive regulations for the ESF teams preventing them from competing in KeSPA-sanctioned tournaments some time in the future?

This move will force OGN to force KeSPA to come to the table to talk things through, at least to salvage the upcoming OSL.

One thing's for sure. GSL will survive with or without the KeSPA players at least for the next 1-2 years.
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#507
For what its worth, just want to say I fully support the esf players in this.

My only hope now is the the star Kespa players unite and speak out about their desires as players, then Kespa will be in a position where they have to be more reasonable and we all win.

I feel the esf players are really making a personal sacrifice here for the greater good and we should all respect that for what it is. OSL means a huge amount to those players, so them pulling out like this should tell you how much this means to them.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#508
On August 24 2012 19:18 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:17 mrtomjones wrote:
What did Blizzard say 30 minutes ago?

Blizzard said something?

Blizzard hasn't said anything yet.
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achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 10:20 GMT
#509
On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.

And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams.

Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa.

Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on!

Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#510
On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.

And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams.

Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa.

Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on!

Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games.

Or you can try CS. Valve seems to be pushing CS:GO as a e-sports title.
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
August 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#511
On August 24 2012 19:19 Pure-SC2 wrote:
For what its worth, just want to say I fully support the esf players in this.

My only hope now is the the star Kespa players unite and speak out about their desires as players, then Kespa will be in a position where they have to be more reasonable and we all win.

I feel the esf players are really making a personal sacrifice here for the greater good and we should all respect that for what it is. OSL means a huge amount to those players, so them pulling out like this should tell you how much this means to them.

well said sir hopefully this gets resolved
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achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#512
On August 24 2012 19:21 ImNightmare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.

And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams.

Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa.

Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on!

Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games.

Or you can try CS. Valve seems to be pushing CS:GO as a e-sports title.

I dislike FPS games, so no.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
August 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#513
On August 24 2012 19:19 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:18 ImNightmare wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:17 mrtomjones wrote:
What did Blizzard say 30 minutes ago?

Blizzard said something?

Blizzard hasn't said anything yet.


Blizzard will make an announcement soon™
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
August 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#514
To quote myself from yesterday No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 49 and say it AGAIN.

On August 24 2012 02:52 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I must say this is one of the worst news weeks for sc (in general) to date...

Fuck this is like the 5th news bit this week that's hard to swallow for any starcraft fan.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
silentzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada38 Posts
August 24 2012 10:21 GMT
#515
Hopefully affected players, as an individual, would give their opinion whether they want to participate or not. Then again that would damage the integrity of the decisions made. lol Then again these are 2 major groups in SC2 eSports in Korea where progaming is where it's at its finest, should lead by example. Hopefully they should think of the fans/viewers rather than make some vague decision to pull out players as they see fit for some obscure project.
Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us.
ridethecatbus
Profile Joined February 2012
United States64 Posts
August 24 2012 10:22 GMT
#516
If this goes on long enough, I wonder if the lower level KeSPA players will simply defect en masse and form teams within ESF. Obviously only a few players like Flash are making bank, so if this persists, I don't see what the regulars have to lose by leaving.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 10:22 GMT
#517
On August 24 2012 19:21 Shinobi1982 wrote:
To quote myself from yesterday No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL - Page 49 and say it AGAIN.

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 02:52 Shinobi1982 wrote:
I must say this is one of the worst news weeks for sc (in general) to date...

Fuck this is like the 5th news bit this week that's hard to swallow for any starcraft fan.

To be honest, I would say this is still alright. OSL is fucked but GSL would still go on. Just...without any kespa players.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 24 2012 10:22 GMT
#518
LOL, the esports drama is so thick you can taste it.
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Wayne123
Profile Joined July 2011
88 Posts
August 24 2012 10:22 GMT
#519
I don´t like what´s happening in the Korean SC2 E-Sports scene right now. It would be the best for the whole scene if all involved parties would work together in order to make E-Sport grow. Because basically they all have the same goal, which is to make SC2 more popular and to make more money out of it. If they fight each other, they weaken their overall position which is a bad thing and rather counterproductive.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4530 Posts
August 24 2012 10:23 GMT
#520
On August 24 2012 19:20 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:19 Irave wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:11 Benjef wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.

They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.

And if GOM dies that means less tournaments = less chance to make money for the pros/teams.

Why are we even considering GOM will die? The sc2 grew with the addition of Kespa players switching to sc2. If you were watching sc2 before them you still will. While continuing to follow your current/past favorite players. Players can double dip, unless you're Kespa.

Its pretty ridiculous that the ESF would react this way. You won't allow your players to play in our code a qualifiers, boo, hiss. So we decided we are going to pull our players out of your tournament already going on!

Actually, if GOM dies, I am watching fighting games.

if gom dies i'm getting the fuck away from gaming. this makes me sick to think that nerds did this to them selves.
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