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ott
Profile Joined April 2011
United States74 Posts
August 24 2012 10:06 GMT
#461
Is there snow in Korea? Cuz if they're gunna have a pissing contest I don't want it to b some lame distance thing, they should have to spell the names of all the players that got screwed. Maby then they will remember who they are supposed to be helping.
A truly creative person rids him or herself of self-imposed limitations. ROOT4ROOT! 'this is a strategy made of balls'- tasteless
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
August 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#462
On August 24 2012 19:05 GreggSauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.


cute. before somebody gets hurt? hahaha

He said as an expression. No physical harm will be done lol
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#463
On August 24 2012 19:05 Clarityxo wrote:
Good for them, seriously.

Hopefully this shows Kespa that the rest of the Korean scene isn't to be fucked around.

I'm interested to see what OGN do now though, being down 8 players.


Start from the Round of 8

LOL
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
August 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#464
On August 24 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.

It's not childish, it's a freaking business decision. KeSPA was looking for an open conflict and they got it. There is so much that could stem from this. A lot of foreign teams have shared interest with ESF. These teams could force majors tournaments to prevent KeSPA players from playing in it. And if MLG sides with the foreign scene like I think they will, then SC2 on OGN will have huge difficulties.
ImNightmare
Profile Joined May 2012
1575 Posts
August 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#465
On August 24 2012 19:07 jidolboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:05 GreggSauce wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.


cute. before somebody gets hurt? hahaha

He said as an expression. No physical harm will be done lol

I think he meant cute as in "awww he don't want nobody to be hurt" cute.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
August 24 2012 10:07 GMT
#466
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.


esf is showing their loyality to gom, since gom sustained them in the past
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
August 24 2012 10:08 GMT
#467
On August 24 2012 19:05 GreggSauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.


cute. before somebody gets hurt? hahaha


what, did I say anything wrong?

its not a situation that can't be fixed and if this situation stands the OSL(this season) is destroyed, and the integrity of the GSL is also hurt.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2012 10:08 GMT
#468
On August 24 2012 18:56 Daralii wrote:
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On August 24 2012 18:54 MitternachtEVE wrote:
Not worried about SC2 blowing up as Blizzard would actively say STFU and talk them out of it; If it came down to that. KeSPA is just an idiot organization when it comes to exclusively using their players. KeSPA needs to learn about expanding its players outward, not "kidnapping" them to protect their players. 56% win rate vs Gom players means Good to Go.

The fact that Blizz issued a response to KeSPA's decision makes me think they're watching this pretty closely. If they intend to intervene, I hope they do so before this spirals out of control.

Has blizzard issued a bigger response other than the initial concern?
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
August 24 2012 10:08 GMT
#469
On August 24 2012 19:01 Herry wrote:
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On August 24 2012 18:56 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:55 Teoita wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:55 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:53 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:45 Tantaburs wrote:
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2.

Do some research and tell me when KeSPA actually gave a fuck to what Blizzard thinks or who Blizzard gives broadcasting rights to. KeSPA has the support of Korean government (it's unreasonable to think otherwise, without that how could KeSPA take on Blizzard this well?), GOM does not. KeSPA can make an OSL just as good without ESF players. Hell, even GOM can make a GSL without KeSPA players. Why can't KeSPA make an OSL without ESF players? How many ESF players played in the previous OSLs? The answer is as you know, zero. All current ESF players that happened to have played in any OSL was a KeSPA player back then, so they don't count.


This isn't Brood War, if Blizzard doesn't allow them to broadcast sc2 they can't because Blizzard properly secured the IP rights this time. They can use a hacked LAN version but Blizzard could sue them for that.


That would change everything actually. Source?


I don't have a source but this has been discussed many times, the #1 reason for no LAN in Starcraft 2 is so Blizzard can stop any event from running that they don't approve of by blacklisting them on battle.net.


complete crap. no offence but that is just wrong on so many levels. You could use any random accounts and blizzard would have no idea who is playing some random games.


All of SC2 runs over Blizzards servers. Of course they can figure out which accounts are being used for a televised tournament. Using things like random accounts makes it a bit more tricky, but it's still not more than an hour of work with good database tools.
Such flammable little insects!
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
August 24 2012 10:08 GMT
#470
sadly it had to be done by ESF/GOM it was the right choice they cant just get bullied into submission sry Kespa but these are different times you cant pull that shit anymore let the players decide if they want to play in the GSL qualifiers
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
xSTaRFiSHx
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany176 Posts
August 24 2012 10:08 GMT
#471
I totally fail to understand how people can argue withdrawing from an ongoing league makes esf the bad guy in this!?

This is just messed up, it honestly shouldnt matter even if it would be round of 4 with all-gsl-players now withdrawing.
Seriously.
It's about kespa doing the same shit over and over and esf trying to preserve their players freedom by showing kespa how enough is enough.
It amazes me how much the "free" players are in support of gomtv and I think it should be, at least, be taken into consideration how much positive feedback esf did get from korean netizens (according to posts earlier in this thread).
I believe some people in here only judge the one who (imo) points at the problem (ESF)
and not the one who really is the source of the problem (kespa).

Please consider this when you make up an opinion regarding this mess.
I wonder if there will be cake...
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2012 10:09 GMT
#472
On August 24 2012 19:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:05 GreggSauce wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.


cute. before somebody gets hurt? hahaha


what, did I say anything wrong?

its not a situation that can't be fixed and if this situation stands the OSL(this season) is destroyed, and the integrity of the GSL is also hurt.

I think we all want a quick solution. Hopefully Kespa thinks about the possible foreigner money and changes their mind.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
August 24 2012 10:09 GMT
#473
Sad that it happens, but I understand the decision
EZ4ENCE
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
August 24 2012 10:09 GMT
#474
On August 24 2012 19:08 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 18:56 Daralii wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:54 MitternachtEVE wrote:
Not worried about SC2 blowing up as Blizzard would actively say STFU and talk them out of it; If it came down to that. KeSPA is just an idiot organization when it comes to exclusively using their players. KeSPA needs to learn about expanding its players outward, not "kidnapping" them to protect their players. 56% win rate vs Gom players means Good to Go.

The fact that Blizz issued a response to KeSPA's decision makes me think they're watching this pretty closely. If they intend to intervene, I hope they do so before this spirals out of control.

Has blizzard issued a bigger response other than the initial concern?

well this happened what 20-30 mins ago so no they havnt said anything yet
Most Skilled Current esport Games Scbw>Sc2>Cs1.6>Dota2>Hon>Loopin Louie The Drinking Game>LoL
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
August 24 2012 10:09 GMT
#475
On August 24 2012 19:06 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:04 karpo wrote:
On August 24 2012 19:01 ShadeR wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:52 karpo wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OGN gets fucked over, the OSL gets fucked over, the players get fucked over, the sponsor gets fucked over and most importantly we the spectators get fucked over.

regardless of what kespa did, this is worse.


Kespa didn't hold up their part of the "agreement" and block their players from playing in the GSL. They sure don't mind that federation players join OSL though. Why? Because they make money off it while fucking over GOM.

This was an inevitable result of the decision Kespa made.

Source on this "agreement", what are the details of it? Was there a contract? KeSPA made a dick move but there was no wrong-doing. Gutting the OSL of half it's competitors is not the same. You are left with a ghost of point.


Obviously there was some kind of agreement as both blizzard and the federation players were very suprised to hear that Kespa declined to play in the GSL.

I for one don't really care if it hurts OSL if it will open the korean scene up a bit and give players more freedom to do what they want. Pulling out their players while still believing the federation players would just happily join OSL was a stupid mistake.

Is there anything you type that isn't speculation?


What we know is that both GOM, the ESF, and Blizzard all were suprised by Kespa deciding to not let their players play in the GSL.

Is it so far fetched to assume that this was supposed to be a "first time" tryout where OSL had non kespa players and the GSL had kespa players? It seems likely to me but as with every story like this we don't get all the information.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2012 10:10 GMT
#476
On August 24 2012 19:08 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:01 Herry wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:56 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:55 Teoita wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:55 Dodgin wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:53 Djagulingu wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:45 Tantaburs wrote:
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2.

Do some research and tell me when KeSPA actually gave a fuck to what Blizzard thinks or who Blizzard gives broadcasting rights to. KeSPA has the support of Korean government (it's unreasonable to think otherwise, without that how could KeSPA take on Blizzard this well?), GOM does not. KeSPA can make an OSL just as good without ESF players. Hell, even GOM can make a GSL without KeSPA players. Why can't KeSPA make an OSL without ESF players? How many ESF players played in the previous OSLs? The answer is as you know, zero. All current ESF players that happened to have played in any OSL was a KeSPA player back then, so they don't count.


This isn't Brood War, if Blizzard doesn't allow them to broadcast sc2 they can't because Blizzard properly secured the IP rights this time. They can use a hacked LAN version but Blizzard could sue them for that.


That would change everything actually. Source?


I don't have a source but this has been discussed many times, the #1 reason for no LAN in Starcraft 2 is so Blizzard can stop any event from running that they don't approve of by blacklisting them on battle.net.


complete crap. no offence but that is just wrong on so many levels. You could use any random accounts and blizzard would have no idea who is playing some random games.


All of SC2 runs over Blizzards servers. Of course they can figure out which accounts are being used for a televised tournament. Using things like random accounts makes it a bit more tricky, but it's still not more than an hour of work with good database tools.

Also you can have only so many people connected to battlenet in an area without permission for more.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
August 24 2012 10:10 GMT
#477
That's a shame. Don't think I'll bother watching the OSL if this goes through.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 24 2012 10:10 GMT
#478
On August 24 2012 19:09 ChuCky.Ca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:08 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:56 Daralii wrote:
On August 24 2012 18:54 MitternachtEVE wrote:
Not worried about SC2 blowing up as Blizzard would actively say STFU and talk them out of it; If it came down to that. KeSPA is just an idiot organization when it comes to exclusively using their players. KeSPA needs to learn about expanding its players outward, not "kidnapping" them to protect their players. 56% win rate vs Gom players means Good to Go.

The fact that Blizz issued a response to KeSPA's decision makes me think they're watching this pretty closely. If they intend to intervene, I hope they do so before this spirals out of control.

Has blizzard issued a bigger response other than the initial concern?

well this happened what 20-30 mins ago so no they havnt said anything yet

Where is that link?
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 24 2012 10:10 GMT
#479
On August 24 2012 19:07 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.


esf is showing their loyality to gom, since gom sustained them in the past

Personally I won't be so naive to believe that. They side with GOM because it's the best chance for them to survive and prosper.
FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4561 Posts
August 24 2012 10:11 GMT
#480
this will not end well. jaw sea as fawk drama.
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