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On August 24 2012 18:57 Disengaged wrote:
I want that damn Blizzard statement NOW!
Hopefully they see that the community of both Foreign and Korean are on ESF's side and back ESF/GOM.
Their statement probably will be this:
Kespa idiots, you broke the promise you did earlier in our joint meeting, and since you now are trying to use dictatorship once again to control people we will now forbid you to use SC2, further we revoke your broadcasting rights. Have a nice day"
Then every match that is suppose to be aired witch has Kespa players in it goes black.
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On August 24 2012 18:56 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:55 Teoita wrote:On August 24 2012 18:55 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 18:53 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 18:45 Tantaburs wrote:
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2. Do some research and tell me when KeSPA actually gave a fuck to what Blizzard thinks or who Blizzard gives broadcasting rights to. KeSPA has the support of Korean government (it's unreasonable to think otherwise, without that how could KeSPA take on Blizzard this well?), GOM does not. KeSPA can make an OSL just as good without ESF players. Hell, even GOM can make a GSL without KeSPA players. Why can't KeSPA make an OSL without ESF players? How many ESF players played in the previous OSLs? The answer is as you know, zero. All current ESF players that happened to have played in any OSL was a KeSPA player back then, so they don't count. This isn't Brood War, if Blizzard doesn't allow them to broadcast sc2 they can't because Blizzard properly secured the IP rights this time. They can use a hacked LAN version but Blizzard could sue them for that. That would change everything actually. Source? I don't have a source but this has been discussed many times, the #1 reason for no LAN in Starcraft 2 is so Blizzard can stop any event from running that they don't approve of by blacklisting them on battle.net.
complete crap. no offence but that is just wrong on so many levels. You could use any random accounts and blizzard would have no idea who is playing some random games.
I don't think we have to worry i think this is all just cloak and dagger stuff. Either one of them will fold, personally i can actually see why Kespa would want more time for their players, but i dont see why they would not allow their players, but i think the ESF's decision is a bluff...we will soon find out i guess
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On August 24 2012 18:59 lost_artz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:37 Broodwurst wrote:Oh wow...should be interesting to see what happens next. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i5XxR.png) Fixed. ![[image loading]](http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg23/scaled.php?server=23&filename=fixedra.png&res=landing)
Pretty accurate I think.
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well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.
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On August 24 2012 19:01 Herry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:56 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 18:55 Teoita wrote:On August 24 2012 18:55 Dodgin wrote:On August 24 2012 18:53 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 18:45 Tantaburs wrote:
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2. Do some research and tell me when KeSPA actually gave a fuck to what Blizzard thinks or who Blizzard gives broadcasting rights to. KeSPA has the support of Korean government (it's unreasonable to think otherwise, without that how could KeSPA take on Blizzard this well?), GOM does not. KeSPA can make an OSL just as good without ESF players. Hell, even GOM can make a GSL without KeSPA players. Why can't KeSPA make an OSL without ESF players? How many ESF players played in the previous OSLs? The answer is as you know, zero. All current ESF players that happened to have played in any OSL was a KeSPA player back then, so they don't count. This isn't Brood War, if Blizzard doesn't allow them to broadcast sc2 they can't because Blizzard properly secured the IP rights this time. They can use a hacked LAN version but Blizzard could sue them for that. That would change everything actually. Source? I don't have a source but this has been discussed many times, the #1 reason for no LAN in Starcraft 2 is so Blizzard can stop any event from running that they don't approve of by blacklisting them on battle.net. complete crap. no offence but that is just wrong on so many levels. You could use any random accounts and blizzard would have no idea who is playing some random games. I don't think we have to worry i think this is all just cloak and dagger stuff. Either one of them will fold, personally i can actually see why Kespa would want more time for their players, but i dont see why they would not allow their players, but i think the ESF's decision is a bluff...we will soon find out i guess
It's not complete crap at all...You don't need to know what accounts they are using to deny a venue of being able to connect, this happens all the time accidentally for tournaments that get automatically blacklisted because they didn't submit the information to blizzard in time or there was some problems.
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On August 24 2012 19:01 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:52 karpo wrote:On August 24 2012 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OGN gets fucked over, the OSL gets fucked over, the players get fucked over, the sponsor gets fucked over and most importantly we the spectators get fucked over.
regardless of what kespa did, this is worse. Kespa didn't hold up their part of the "agreement" and block their players from playing in the GSL. They sure don't mind that federation players join OSL though. Why? Because they make money off it while fucking over GOM. This was an inevitable result of the decision Kespa made. Source on this "agreement", what are the details of it? Was there a contract? KeSPA made a dick move but there was no wrong-doing. Gutting the OSL of half it's competitors is not the same. You are left with a ghost of point.
Obviously there was some kind of agreement as both blizzard and the federation players were very suprised to hear that Kespa declined to play in the GSL.
I for one don't really care if it hurts OSL if it will open the korean scene up a bit and give players more freedom to do what they want. Pulling out their players while still believing the federation players would just happily join OSL was a stupid mistake.
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On August 24 2012 18:44 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:41 mrtomjones wrote:On August 24 2012 18:40 EnE wrote:
For fuck sake, I DONT WANT TO SEE FLASH GET OWNED BY A RANDOM CODE B PLAYER! LET THEM FUCKING PRACTICE FIRST! They are good enough to not get owned by random code B's. If the qualifiers were held, due to their big numbers I suspect around half would be Kespa players getting through. Why...based on what? I've never seen proof that Kespa players are code A level.
lol
so kespa palyers taking out COde S players in wcs is not proof enough?
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On August 24 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
well regardless of how much I think its childish, I hope it works before somebody gets hurt and it doesn't happen again.
cute. before somebody gets hurt? hahaha
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Not surprised at all by this. I actually expected it to happen. ESF was formed to protect the current sc2 scene in Korea from Kespa. Its good to see ESF stand up to Kespa. The "scheduling conflicts" Kespa sites is such bull shit because GOM players were going to deal with them. So can the Kespa guys.
Its a shame because the people getting hurt here are the players. Both ESF and Kespa players are out a HUGE tournament if this isn't resolved this weekend. OSL is supposed to start in a matter of days. They don't have time to sit on their hands. Hopefully Blizzard gets this taken care of correctly and Kespa will play in GSL and ESF will play in OSL. Would be terrible if they didn't. We've been waiting for this to happen for over two years now. Don't fuck it up.
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i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.
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Good for them, seriously.
Hopefully this shows Kespa that the rest of the Korean scene isn't to be fucked around.
I'm interested to see what OGN do now though, being down 8 players.
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On August 24 2012 19:04 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:01 ShadeR wrote:On August 24 2012 18:52 karpo wrote:On August 24 2012 18:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
OGN gets fucked over, the OSL gets fucked over, the players get fucked over, the sponsor gets fucked over and most importantly we the spectators get fucked over.
regardless of what kespa did, this is worse. Kespa didn't hold up their part of the "agreement" and block their players from playing in the GSL. They sure don't mind that federation players join OSL though. Why? Because they make money off it while fucking over GOM. This was an inevitable result of the decision Kespa made. Source on this "agreement", what are the details of it? Was there a contract? KeSPA made a dick move but there was no wrong-doing. Gutting the OSL of half it's competitors is not the same. You are left with a ghost of point. Obviously there was some kind of agreement as both blizzard and the federation players were very suprised to hear that Kespa declined to play in the GSL. I for one don't really care if it hurts OSL if it will open the korean scene up a bit and give players more freedom to do what they want. Pulling out their players while still believing the federation players would just happily join OSL was a stupid mistake.
Is there anything you type that isn't speculation?
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On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.
They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.
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On August 24 2012 19:02 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:59 lost_artz wrote:On August 24 2012 18:37 Broodwurst wrote:Oh wow...should be interesting to see what happens next. Fixed. Pretty accurate I think.
Would be more like:
Kespa: "we won't attend, LOL"
South Korea branch of Blizzard: "Disturbing..."
ESF:"OUTRAGE, THIS HAS TO STOP, WE REBEL!"
Kespa: "Why, so, serious?"
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On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does.
You have no idea what is loyalty do you?
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Its a logic move. Dont fuck with the GSL Kespa.
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eSport Federation was Zugzwang here, but they probably did what had to be done.
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On August 24 2012 18:57 Tantaburs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:53 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 18:45 Tantaburs wrote:
People keep saying that KeSPA has the money and power to shut down GOM need to remember that GOm has a very good relantionship with Blizzard and KeSPA doesn't. If Blizzard pulls KeSPA's broadcasting license then they can't broadcast SC2. Do some research and tell me when KeSPA actually gave a fuck to what Blizzard thinks or who Blizzard gives broadcasting rights to. KeSPA has the support of Korean government (it's unreasonable to think otherwise, without that how could KeSPA take on Blizzard this well?), GOM does not. KeSPA can make an OSL just as good without ESF players. Hell, even GOM can make a GSL without KeSPA players. Why can't KeSPA make an OSL without ESF players? How many ESF players played in the previous OSLs? The answer is as you know, zero. All current ESF players that happened to have played in any OSL was a KeSPA player back then, so they don't count. Blizzard has complete control over SC2 which is something they didn't have in BW. Blizzard can Blacklist the IP that they are broadcasting from. They can ban the commentators. They can disconnect the players mid game. If KeSPA uses a hacked version then they can and will be sued.
You were the last post in this thread, so I chose you sorry.
The complete ignorance and rush in this thread is ridiculous. Blizzard does have complete control, but Blizzard is not a dumb company. Kespa has run things and created the esport side of RTS with BW. Blizzard had nothing to do with it. And with that KESPA secured so many sponsors and even a television company. Blizzard does not have control if they want to remain in a market that is so heavily influenced by KESPA they have to fall in line.
Two despite the fact that I don't think KESPA would do this to both of your points.
Blizzard can blacklist IP's. KESPA could create a LAN mode, or even more easily use the Korean government to keep their IP secret. They can't ban commentators lol? Commentators are people and they can choose to do as they please. They could disconnect players from the game, but what happens if they don't know the account? If KESPA were to be sued KESPA would probably win again. And they didn't really win, but Blizzard had no shot.
Now, I don't think any of that will happen, but seriously stop posting out of your ass guys.
Read FXO Boss' blog because it is most likely how this will wind up. Power is power and money is money, sorry guys.
http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/
On August 24 2012 19:06 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 19:05 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
i call bullshit if gom is not involved in influencing the decision. esf gains nothing from pulling out their players but gom does. They have a lot actually. If KeSPA kills GOM, ESF will die with it.
Yea, but c'mon GOM is involved lol.
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On August 24 2012 19:00 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 18:59 ElephantBaby wrote:
Nice drama, but child's play by ESF. They agreed before and then denied. They can pull out the next OSL, but withdrawing current OSL is child's play.
At least, Kespa never agreed anything before the announcement.
Are you sure? From the interviews, the Kespa players all felt they were going to be playing in the qualifiers.
What does players know? They don't even know if they get transfered.
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kespa had a good run, i think its time for them to dissolve.
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