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On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees.
Yea, I don't know why Gom expects Kespa players to play in their amateur league without compensation. That's like expecting Lebron James to make an appearance at a college practice for free.
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where r the mod when we need them,ban the troll plz
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On August 23 2012 20:24 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:15 TheAmazombie wrote:On August 23 2012 20:14 TrainSamurai wrote:
I can't believe you sc2 fans. If GOM wants Flash to play in thier shitty league then they should cough up some dough for the KeSPA salaries. Same for every qualifier. Uh, the point is that Flash should be able to play where he wants without KeSPa telling him where he has to play. Yeah, and I'll tell my employer where and when I feel like working; contracts be damned. My boss is not the boss of me! Show nested quote +Also, it is not a shitty league, whether you like it or not, they have done a lot for the scene and the fans. If you really want to compare GOM's contribution to Starcraft against KESPA's...
He is not comparing GOM's contribution to starcraft to Kespa's contribution.
He is just noting that GOM also contributed alot to Starcraft and that he is upset about how Kespa is treating Gom.
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On August 23 2012 20:32 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Yea, I don't know why Gom expects Kespa players to play in their amateur league without compensation. That's like expecting Lebron James to make an appearance at a college practice for free.
Finally someone else understands.
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Agree with KeSPA, after all they have the "most talented" players ... they must know their stuff. Besides, they must be trying to come with "full force" when they feel their stars are ready to go on stampede all they way to the finals ... instead of getting cheesed out at ro48.
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On August 23 2012 20:31 nokz88 wrote:A little tidbit from today's WCS Winner's interview: Show nested quote +오늘 GSL 불참 사실이 발표됐다. 이에 대한 생각은?
선수들은 세부 내용을 잘 모르기 때문에 결정에 따를 뿐이다. 그냥 개인적으로 아쉽다. Translation: Q: Today was announced that KeSPA players won't be participating in the next GSL. Thoughts? A: We must follow the team's decision because the details were kept from us. I personally am dissapointed. One more proof that KeSPA is just throwing their weight around without regard for the players, fans, or the scene.
Yeah, well... I would say the SC2 GOM-scene is much better for the players, although i could imagine that Kespa does a good job at paying the players.
Thx for the small translation!
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On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY.
team owners want their players compete in as many tournaments as possible. foreigner teams even pay for players flights, accomodation, etc.
attending a tournament in korea does not cost a team much. kespa is not just the owner of all teams, but also the owner of the leagues broodcasting rights. your argument is invalid.
tournaments don't pay for salaries, teams does.
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On August 23 2012 20:32 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Yea, I don't know why Gom expects Kespa players to play in their amateur league without compensation. That's like expecting Lebron James to make an appearance at a college practice for free.
Except their "amateur" league is the equivalent of the NBA right now... right?
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FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA FUCK KESPA
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On August 23 2012 20:32 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Yea, I don't know why Gom expects Kespa players to play in their amateur league without compensation. That's like expecting Lebron James to make an appearance at a college practice for free.
"Amateur league"... I can't believe the things some of you are saying. Like it or not, GSL still has a higher caliber of players, it's around the same amount of prize money, has a lot of foreign viewers. Not to mention GOM agreed to give KeSPA the rights to broadcast Starcraft 2 as well. They went out of their way and now KeSPA is shitting on them.
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On August 23 2012 20:34 [thork] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. team owners want their players compete in as many tournaments as possible. foreigner teams even pay for players flights, accomodation, etc. attending a tournament in korea does not cost a team much. kespa is not just the owner of all teams, but also the owner of the leagues broodcasting rights. your argument is invalid. tournaments don't pay for salaries, teams does.
Western scene is different. KeSPA have thier own tournament to prioritise.
On August 23 2012 20:34 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:32 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Yea, I don't know why Gom expects Kespa players to play in their amateur league without compensation. That's like expecting Lebron James to make an appearance at a college practice for free. Except their "amateur" league is the equivalent of the NBA right now... right?
How does that detract from the main point. Either give PAID KeSPA player an appearance fee or stop sulking.
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Okay, all the stupidity of this thread aside, why are people saying shit like "Fuck you KeSPA SC2 was good enough without your players, we don't need you!!!" all the while whining about KeSPA players not joining this round of GSL qualifiers? How the hell does that add up?
I can 'somewhat' understand if someone is frustrated that they can't see their favourite players in GSL, but if you DON'T CARE about these players, what does it matter to you if they don't play?
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kespa has far too much control over players. it really isnt healthy or sustainable to have one such company control half the players when they only have their own interests in mind, not the interestes of the sport.
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On August 23 2012 20:36 Salazarz wrote:
Okay, all the stupidity of this thread aside, why are people saying shit like "Fuck you KeSPA SC2 was good enough without your players, we don't need you!!!" all the while whining about KeSPA players not joining this round of GSL qualifiers? How the hell does that add up?
I can 'somewhat' understand if someone is frustrated that they can't see their favourite players in GSL, but if you DON'T CARE about these players, what does it matter to you if they don't play? Because it's clear KeSPA is trynig to pull an anti-competitive move, as I have said so many times before. They killed Gom once, and they might do it again.
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On August 23 2012 20:36 Salazarz wrote:
Okay, all the stupidity of this thread aside, why are people saying shit like "Fuck you KeSPA SC2 was good enough without your players, we don't need you!!!" all the while whining about KeSPA players not joining this round of GSL qualifiers? How the hell does that add up?
I can 'somewhat' understand if someone is frustrated that they can't see their favourite players in GSL, but if you DON'T CARE about these players, what does it matter to you if they don't play?
Not liking Kespa the organization has nothing to do with liking the players that play for kespa teams.
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On August 23 2012 20:36 Salazarz wrote:
Okay, all the stupidity of this thread aside, why are people saying shit like "Fuck you KeSPA SC2 was good enough without your players, we don't need you!!!" all the while whining about KeSPA players not joining this round of GSL qualifiers? How the hell does that add up?
I can 'somewhat' understand if someone is frustrated that they can't see their favourite players in GSL, but if you DON'T CARE about these players, what does it matter to you if they don't play?
They want them to play but are mad because Kespa is potentially pulling a REALLY dick move here and believe that SC2 as a whole would be better off if Kespa wasn't pulling any crap.
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On August 23 2012 20:38 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:36 Salazarz wrote:
Okay, all the stupidity of this thread aside, why are people saying shit like "Fuck you KeSPA SC2 was good enough without your players, we don't need you!!!" all the while whining about KeSPA players not joining this round of GSL qualifiers? How the hell does that add up?
I can 'somewhat' understand if someone is frustrated that they can't see their favourite players in GSL, but if you DON'T CARE about these players, what does it matter to you if they don't play? Because it's clear KeSPA is trynig to pull an anti-competitive move, as I have said so many times before. They killed Gom once, and they might do it again.
How are they going to do that, again? We're going under the assumption that KeSPA teams / players aren't really interesting or needed for viewers. So, what exactly is KeSPA going to do?
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The whole point is that Kespa is trying to down-grade GSL to an 'amateur' league, while making itself the 'premiere' league. Shrewd business move made with no viewer interest in mind. That's why people are pissed off. Personally I'm just worry that the English casting quality is going to decrease.
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On August 23 2012 20:36 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:34 [thork] wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. team owners want their players compete in as many tournaments as possible. foreigner teams even pay for players flights, accomodation, etc. attending a tournament in korea does not cost a team much. kespa is not just the owner of all teams, but also the owner of the leagues broodcasting rights. your argument is invalid. tournaments don't pay for salaries, teams does. Western scene is different. KeSPA have thier own tournament to prioritise. Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 20:34 Roggay wrote:On August 23 2012 20:32 xrapture wrote:On August 23 2012 20:25 TrainSamurai wrote:This is just ANOTHER CASE OF GOM wanting to make money off KeSPA player's image without paying jackshit in comparison. On August 23 2012 20:25 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:23 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:22 Dodgin wrote:On August 23 2012 20:21 TrainSamurai wrote:On August 23 2012 20:19 [thork] wrote:
do you remember last weeks kespa - gom agreement? i think kespa deceived gom.
kespa not playing fair as always. not caring about the game as always. kespa being kespa as always.
gom should cancel the agreement or file a lawsuit
Don't give me that weak sauce argument. Morally speaking PAY the PLAYERS some SALARY. Er, they get paid for participating in GSL. Does that not count? Every single player in each GSL season gets paid. Every KeSPA player gets housing and food supplied. They don't always make it into the OSL but KeSPA still gives some pittance. GOM must pay ALL of them SOMETHING. GOM is just a tournament organizer though, it's not up to them to give players salary. That's what the teams are for. If you're talking about an appearance fee to play in GSL then that's a lot different than salary. Maybe Flash does deserve an appearance fee but as far as I know WCG never paid him to be in WCG and he did that willingly. BINGO. They all deserve a fee for even playing. We revolted under KeSPA to get those fees. Yea, I don't know why Gom expects Kespa players to play in their amateur league without compensation. That's like expecting Lebron James to make an appearance at a college practice for free. Except their "amateur" league is the equivalent of the NBA right now... right? How does that detract from the main point. Either give PAID KeSPA player an appearance fee or stop sulking.
No because this is stupid. Why would they pay an appearance fee when they are already paying the players for being in code A/S...
Beside, the fact that they are paying the players or not has absolutely nothing to do with this topic as this has nothing to do with KeSPA. It's up to the players to decide if its worth it or not.
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