Heart of the Swarm TvP Battle Report! - Page 58

On August 15 2012 02:20 vovalol wrote:
Did anyone actually notice that at the armory notes it says you can make the odin? look closely at 7 minute mark when he hovers over the armory icon and stop it to read it, actually that can explain why he didnt build a single thor while going mech

On August 15 2012 01:29 GinDo wrote:


The question is why would you want to build siege tanks . Every tech tree has a direct counter to the Tank.

On August 15 2012 00:13 kusto wrote:


Great attitude you have here.

You don't really understand what annoys these people? They don't complain about balance, but about the design of the units and the resulting consequences for the fun of playing or watching the game.

For example, what is there to fix in the collossi? it's balanced and has it's place in the metagame, but it's just awfully designed and is one of the reasons deathballs are so strong in protoss matchups.
What is there to balance in PvP? Nothing, right? Everything is fine aside from the fact that the player with more collossi wins a 200/200 battle with +100 supply difference. It's not fun to play and not fun to watch these players mass up an amount of collossi and attack.

Same goes for the deisgn of roach and marauder. People hoped that pvt mech would look like in brood war, with extensive siege lines and terrorizing hellion squads at far away expos, drawing away protoss units. Instead they saw some clumped mech units move around. positioning didn't seem to mean much with the simple control and high dps of the war hound.

Also, i am disgusted by Day9 somehow. Rob Simpson works for blizzard, so fake-hyping stuff is his work, but the lack of any useful comments from Day9 is disappointing. But oh well he got a lot of views.

For example, what is there to fix in the collossi? it's balanced and has it's place in the metagame, but it's just awfully designed and is one of the reasons deathballs are so strong in protoss matchups.
What is there to balance in PvP? Nothing, right? Everything is fine aside from the fact that the player with more collossi wins a 200/200 battle with +100 supply difference. It's not fun to play and not fun to watch these players mass up an amount of collossi and attack.

Same goes for the deisgn of roach and marauder. People hoped that pvt mech would look like in brood war, with extensive siege lines and terrorizing hellion squads at far away expos, drawing away protoss units. Instead they saw some clumped mech units move around. positioning didn't seem to mean much with the simple control and high dps of the war hound.

On August 15 2012 03:12 Gentso wrote:
First of all, I can't believe anyone would bash on Day 9 for hyping HOTS here. This is obviously just a promotional video that Blizzard asked Day 9 to be a part of. I'm sure anywhere else Day 9 would give his honest opinion of what he thinks, and I bet he's already done that a million times.

Second of all, it's impossible to make any concrete judgement on balance, theory, styles, or anything of the like from one video. SC2 constantly evolved over 2 years. Unit comps, aggressive vs defensive styles, multi-task, unit roles, and all of that changed constantly in WOL. All you're seeing is two people's interpretations of new units and nothing more.



I don't know why you still feel this way. Top level of Protoss play doesn't rely on massing a death ball anymore. That's currently Zerg's style versus Protoss. Even still, SC2 has definitely evolved into emphasizing timings and mutli-tasking for every race. It's been two years and only now is top level of play shaping up this way.



I hate this mentality of people wanting this game to act like Brood War. You will never be satisfied because this game isn't trying to be Brood War if you haven't noticed.

On August 15 2012 00:07 Toadvine wrote:


If it comes out and it's shit, you'll be told to wait until it's patched and players figure the game out better. Then, if that happens and the game is still mostly shit (like WoL currently), you'll be told to wait for LotV. There's no limit to Blizzard apologism. Hopefully, though, the way Diablo 3 turned out, and the total joke of a WoW expansion they're releasing, will serve to clue in more and more fans that the old Blizzard is basically gone, and what's left is a fairly competent, but soulless company, endlessly regurgitating ideas from its past days of glory.

On August 15 2012 03:12 Gentso wrote:
First of all, I can't believe anyone would bash on Day 9 for hyping HOTS here. This is obviously just a promotional video that Blizzard asked Day 9 to be a part of. I'm sure anywhere else Day 9 would give his honest opinion of what he thinks, and I bet he's already done that a million times.

Second of all, it's impossible to make any concrete judgement on balance, theory, styles, or anything of the like from one video. SC2 constantly evolved over 2 years. Unit comps, aggressive vs defensive styles, multi-task, unit roles, and all of that changed constantly in WOL. All you're seeing is two people's interpretations of new units and nothing more.



I don't know why you still feel this way. Top level of Protoss play doesn't rely on massing a death ball anymore. That's currently Zerg's style versus Protoss. Even still, SC2 has definitely evolved into emphasizing timings and mutli-tasking for every race. It's been two years and only now is top level of play shaping up this way.



I hate this mentality of people wanting this game to act like Brood War. You will never be satisfied because this game isn't trying to be Brood War if you haven't noticed.

On August 15 2012 03:05 monkybone wrote:


I can't even imagine how that would look like in TvP. What a nightmare.

For a constantly evolving game, there sure are a lot of pissed off customers.

On August 15 2012 03:37 Cloak wrote:


It wouldn't be so bad. Tempest just need something to be useful when it's 200 vs. 200. They're practically just a tinkle at that point for being 300/300. If air is supposed to "counter" mech, it needs to actually make them die at some point.

On August 15 2012 03:12 Gentso wrote:
First of all, I can't believe anyone would bash on Day 9 for hyping HOTS here. This is obviously just a promotional video that Blizzard asked Day 9 to be a part of. I'm sure anywhere else Day 9 would give his honest opinion of what he thinks, and I bet he's already done that a million times.