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On August 21 2012 07:46 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:41 VPCursed wrote:
i cant believe they delayed the creep spread change, its not our fault zergs cant deal with hellion run bys and banshees, hell ill send them my replay pack and i'm a rank 80 GM terran with 2 accounts.. you'll see games ranging from destiny,sheth,slush.catz all not scouting and wondering why they are losing so much to hellion run bys. Its because they don't fucking know that nitro pack ovies can scout and surprise surprise, just making 5 queens isn't going to defend vs "everything" Using your logic it's not our fault you guys can't stop creep you guys are just so lazy and don't like to move out enough to deny creep.
It takes more effort to deny creep than it does to spread creep, especially with the increased use of Queens and excess energy around.
To deny scans in the early game, it means losing out on 270 unmined Minerals + Exposing your forces away from the base in potentially dangerous situations where you may get swarmed by forces with superior mobility.
Get a Raven out too fast, and that delays Medivacs/Upgrades/Tanks. 200 Gas in the midgame isn't a small amount that you can throw out.
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On August 21 2012 06:37 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 05:59 utrabo wrote:On August 19 2012 21:16 malaan wrote:
Unless you are tip top grandmaster at the very least you should not be complaining about balance this much. If folks in here spending hours play-testing balance maps and whinging in forums that Blizzard probably laugh about instead of actually playing the game / improving.... Or maybe terrans should consider not buying HOTS and make this subject not so funny to Blizzard. Wouldn't be surprised to actually see this happen. Not in a concerted effort or anything, but Terran population has already diminished quite a bit on ladder.
Zerg here, making the issue not so funny for Blizzard for HotS.
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Soo...is it for sure that they are delaying these changes?
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On August 21 2012 08:13 FinestHour wrote:
Soo...is it for sure that they are delaying these changes?
As always with PR - so far they are considering it in light of recent zerg results.
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On August 21 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the foreigners, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. Proof? For the most part, the only "evidence" of stabilization is a tournament where Taeja played 2 Zergs on his way to win a championship and MVP beating up on foreign Zergs.
Notice how easy it is for you to just say "proof?" and you win the argument? While a useful debate tactic, at the end of the day it's meaningless.
You expect me to comb through hundreds of games in the past month or so where Terran either wins or does really well, but you can then always just say "more proof?" or come up with some special pleading to explain it away.
Now the fact that you only acknowledge one tournament for Taeja and MVP each while ignoring any other tournaments or matches proves your bias towards exaggerating the issue. Maybe you're just blinded by your own confirmation bias, and I certainly can't blame you for succumbing to such a powerful relic of our evolutionary history.
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On August 21 2012 08:45 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the foreigners, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. Proof? For the most part, the only "evidence" of stabilization is a tournament where Taeja played 2 Zergs on his way to win a championship and MVP beating up on foreign Zergs. Notice how easy it is for you to just say "proof?" and you win the argument? While a useful debate tactic, at the end of the day it's meaningless. You expect me to comb through hundreds of games in the past month or so where Terran either wins or does really well, but you can then always just say "more proof?" or come up with some special pleading to explain it away. Now the fact that you only acknowledge one tournament for Taeja and MVP each while ignoring any other tournaments or matches proves your bias towards exaggerating the issue. Maybe you're just blinded by your own confirmation bias, and I certainly can't blame you for succumbing to such a powerful relic of our evolutionary history.
So, no proof then? Ok. I was checking things myself, btw, and looking for anything I missed. Guess I didn't miss anything.
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On August 21 2012 08:59 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:45 densha wrote:On August 21 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the foreigners, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. Proof? For the most part, the only "evidence" of stabilization is a tournament where Taeja played 2 Zergs on his way to win a championship and MVP beating up on foreign Zergs. Notice how easy it is for you to just say "proof?" and you win the argument? While a useful debate tactic, at the end of the day it's meaningless. You expect me to comb through hundreds of games in the past month or so where Terran either wins or does really well, but you can then always just say "more proof?" or come up with some special pleading to explain it away. Now the fact that you only acknowledge one tournament for Taeja and MVP each while ignoring any other tournaments or matches proves your bias towards exaggerating the issue. Maybe you're just blinded by your own confirmation bias, and I certainly can't blame you for succumbing to such a powerful relic of our evolutionary history. So, no proof then? Ok. I was checking things myself, btw, and looking for anything I missed. Guess I didn't miss anything.
Yes, my post 100% confirms everything that you believe.
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On August 21 2012 08:59 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:45 densha wrote:On August 21 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the foreigners, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. Proof? For the most part, the only "evidence" of stabilization is a tournament where Taeja played 2 Zergs on his way to win a championship and MVP beating up on foreign Zergs. Notice how easy it is for you to just say "proof?" and you win the argument? While a useful debate tactic, at the end of the day it's meaningless. You expect me to comb through hundreds of games in the past month or so where Terran either wins or does really well, but you can then always just say "more proof?" or come up with some special pleading to explain it away. Now the fact that you only acknowledge one tournament for Taeja and MVP each while ignoring any other tournaments or matches proves your bias towards exaggerating the issue. Maybe you're just blinded by your own confirmation bias, and I certainly can't blame you for succumbing to such a powerful relic of our evolutionary history. So, no proof then? Ok. I was checking things myself, btw, and looking for anything I missed. Guess I didn't miss anything.
I love how you ask this guy to provide some proof or justification for his commentary and instead he provides this nugget:
[If I provide proof...] you can then always just say "more proof".
So basically, he makes a wild claim and supports it with nothing. Then, when asked to support his claim, he says that he will not provide evidence because it may not be sufficient.
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On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the Koreans, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance.
DRG won the GSL and was considered the best player in the world pre patch but the queen got buffed anyways. Shouldn't zergs just have played like DRG? You cannot just base things based on a handful of players.
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On August 21 2012 10:03 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 08:59 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 08:45 densha wrote:On August 21 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the foreigners, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. Proof? For the most part, the only "evidence" of stabilization is a tournament where Taeja played 2 Zergs on his way to win a championship and MVP beating up on foreign Zergs. Notice how easy it is for you to just say "proof?" and you win the argument? While a useful debate tactic, at the end of the day it's meaningless. You expect me to comb through hundreds of games in the past month or so where Terran either wins or does really well, but you can then always just say "more proof?" or come up with some special pleading to explain it away. Now the fact that you only acknowledge one tournament for Taeja and MVP each while ignoring any other tournaments or matches proves your bias towards exaggerating the issue. Maybe you're just blinded by your own confirmation bias, and I certainly can't blame you for succumbing to such a powerful relic of our evolutionary history. So, no proof then? Ok. I was checking things myself, btw, and looking for anything I missed. Guess I didn't miss anything. I love how you ask this guy to provide some proof or justification for his commentary and instead he provides this nugget: [If I provide proof...] you can then always just say "more proof". So basically, he makes a wild claim and supports it with nothing. Then, when asked to support his claim, he says that he will not provide evidence because it may not be sufficient.
A wild claim? I'm sticking with the null hypothesis that the game is generally well balanced (supported by the evidence that Blizzard pulled back on the creep nerf). The burden of proof is on the balance whiners to show an imbalance exists. Complaining about fungal, cherry picking games, and explaining away matches that don't fit your bias doesn't exactly qualify as convincing evidence.
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On August 21 2012 07:59 Eps wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:46 blade55555 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:41 VPCursed wrote:
i cant believe they delayed the creep spread change, its not our fault zergs cant deal with hellion run bys and banshees, hell ill send them my replay pack and i'm a rank 80 GM terran with 2 accounts.. you'll see games ranging from destiny,sheth,slush.catz all not scouting and wondering why they are losing so much to hellion run bys. Its because they don't fucking know that nitro pack ovies can scout and surprise surprise, just making 5 queens isn't going to defend vs "everything" Using your logic it's not our fault you guys can't stop creep you guys are just so lazy and don't like to move out enough to deny creep. It takes more effort to deny creep than it does to spread creep
It takes more effort to deny drops than to do drops
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On August 21 2012 10:04 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the Koreans, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. DRG won the GSL and was considered the best player in the world pre patch but the queen got buffed anyways. Shouldn't zergs just have played like DRG? You cannot just base things based on a handful of players.
I'm not arguing whether or not Zerg needed the Queen buff, a case can be made that it was unnecessary of course.
I'm saying the balance whining in this thread is full of emotional backlashing and clear exaggeration in hopes of making the problem seem worse than it is with the goal of getting Blizz to make more changes.
In essence, whether the buff was necessary or not, the game as it stands now is still evolving and Terrans just don't look as helpless as they did maybe one or two months ago.
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On August 21 2012 10:15 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 10:03 zmansman17 wrote:On August 21 2012 08:59 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 08:45 densha wrote:On August 21 2012 07:15 aksfjh wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the foreigners, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. Proof? For the most part, the only "evidence" of stabilization is a tournament where Taeja played 2 Zergs on his way to win a championship and MVP beating up on foreign Zergs. Notice how easy it is for you to just say "proof?" and you win the argument? While a useful debate tactic, at the end of the day it's meaningless. You expect me to comb through hundreds of games in the past month or so where Terran either wins or does really well, but you can then always just say "more proof?" or come up with some special pleading to explain it away. Now the fact that you only acknowledge one tournament for Taeja and MVP each while ignoring any other tournaments or matches proves your bias towards exaggerating the issue. Maybe you're just blinded by your own confirmation bias, and I certainly can't blame you for succumbing to such a powerful relic of our evolutionary history. So, no proof then? Ok. I was checking things myself, btw, and looking for anything I missed. Guess I didn't miss anything. I love how you ask this guy to provide some proof or justification for his commentary and instead he provides this nugget: [If I provide proof...] you can then always just say "more proof". So basically, he makes a wild claim and supports it with nothing. Then, when asked to support his claim, he says that he will not provide evidence because it may not be sufficient. A wild claim? I'm sticking with the null hypothesis that the game is generally well balanced (supported by the evidence that Blizzard pulled back on the creep nerf). The burden of proof is on the balance whiners to show an imbalance exists. Complaining about fungal, cherry picking games, and explaining away matches that don't fit your bias doesn't exactly qualify as convincing evidence.
I never complained about fungal, and if you pushed me back in April, I would have told you I thought the game was fairly balanced as well. It's more than a "hint" that Zerg may be strong in the matchup currently because of how balanced it already was, and then it was changed. Now we get tournaments where, suddenly, EU Zergs are on the same level as Code S players. That doesn't ring any alarm bells to you?
Also, the SC2/BW ProLeague is a good way to look at the long-held complaint that Terran both requires more skill to master and rewards that skill better. BW pros asked to split their time, Terran comes out with a winrate of only 33% in TvZ (and 35% in TvP). This is probably an argument for another discussion though.
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On August 21 2012 10:19 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 10:04 vthree wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the Koreans, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. DRG won the GSL and was considered the best player in the world pre patch but the queen got buffed anyways. Shouldn't zergs just have played like DRG? You cannot just base things based on a handful of players. I'm not arguing whether or not Zerg needed the Queen buff, a case can be made that it was unnecessary of course. I'm saying the balance whining in this thread is full of emotional backlashing and clear exaggeration in hopes of making the problem seem worse than it is with the goal of getting Blizz to make more changes. In essence, whether the buff was necessary or not, the game as it stands now is still evolving and Terrans just don't look as helpless as they did maybe one or two months ago.
Or maybe the Terran players are just all-inning half the time rather than actually playing a normal macro game, while the Z players are just plain out bad (see Symbol vs Reality for a perfect example of this) and just can't respond to it half the time? Don't talk about Taeja or MVP, because they are clearly levels ahead of the Z competition they faced, and when they do face a quality Z opponent on their level like DRG more often than not they are in big trouble.
I really hate it when people say "Terran players will evolve and try something different. Nothing is going to change. The meta will not change unless Blizzard intervenes. It's too far along now and developed so fast that there's no huge meta shift that is going to occur that suddenly stops Z from beating Terrans relentlessly into the ground if they actually played a solid and proper game like DRG does.
On August 21 2012 10:18 Malpractice.248 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:59 Eps wrote:On August 21 2012 07:46 blade55555 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:41 VPCursed wrote:
i cant believe they delayed the creep spread change, its not our fault zergs cant deal with hellion run bys and banshees, hell ill send them my replay pack and i'm a rank 80 GM terran with 2 accounts.. you'll see games ranging from destiny,sheth,slush.catz all not scouting and wondering why they are losing so much to hellion run bys. Its because they don't fucking know that nitro pack ovies can scout and surprise surprise, just making 5 queens isn't going to defend vs "everything" Using your logic it's not our fault you guys can't stop creep you guys are just so lazy and don't like to move out enough to deny creep. It takes more effort to deny creep than it does to spread creep It takes more effort to deny drops than to do drops
A Z that loses to drops is bad and deserves to lose to drops. You have complete vision of the map through creep, OL, and watch tower control. You die to a drop, you're own fucking fault.
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IEM: The only notable zerg there was Nestea (he was taken out by teammate MVP and some toss') Yet it's still 3/4 zerg in semifinals.
According to Blizzard, this means Zerg is 'having a hard time'. Because apparently they need 100% winrate no matter their skill to be considered balanced.
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On August 21 2012 10:18 Malpractice.248 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 07:59 Eps wrote:On August 21 2012 07:46 blade55555 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:41 VPCursed wrote:
i cant believe they delayed the creep spread change, its not our fault zergs cant deal with hellion run bys and banshees, hell ill send them my replay pack and i'm a rank 80 GM terran with 2 accounts.. you'll see games ranging from destiny,sheth,slush.catz all not scouting and wondering why they are losing so much to hellion run bys. Its because they don't fucking know that nitro pack ovies can scout and surprise surprise, just making 5 queens isn't going to defend vs "everything" Using your logic it's not our fault you guys can't stop creep you guys are just so lazy and don't like to move out enough to deny creep. It takes more effort to deny creep than it does to spread creep It takes more effort to deny drops than to do drops
3-4 spines + 1-2 spores
add a pack of lings 1-2 banes if really really needed (doubt it)
not so hard there?
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On August 21 2012 12:15 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 10:18 Malpractice.248 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:59 Eps wrote:On August 21 2012 07:46 blade55555 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:41 VPCursed wrote:
i cant believe they delayed the creep spread change, its not our fault zergs cant deal with hellion run bys and banshees, hell ill send them my replay pack and i'm a rank 80 GM terran with 2 accounts.. you'll see games ranging from destiny,sheth,slush.catz all not scouting and wondering why they are losing so much to hellion run bys. Its because they don't fucking know that nitro pack ovies can scout and surprise surprise, just making 5 queens isn't going to defend vs "everything" Using your logic it's not our fault you guys can't stop creep you guys are just so lazy and don't like to move out enough to deny creep. It takes more effort to deny creep than it does to spread creep It takes more effort to deny drops than to do drops 3-4 spines + 1-2 spores add a pack of lings 1-2 banes if really really needed (doubt it) not so hard there?
That's like saying 3 Missile Turrets will stop Mutalisks. It'll stop the basic harass, but it won't scare off anyone actually trying to commit to damage.
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On August 21 2012 12:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 12:15 zhurai wrote:On August 21 2012 10:18 Malpractice.248 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:59 Eps wrote:On August 21 2012 07:46 blade55555 wrote:On August 21 2012 07:41 VPCursed wrote:
i cant believe they delayed the creep spread change, its not our fault zergs cant deal with hellion run bys and banshees, hell ill send them my replay pack and i'm a rank 80 GM terran with 2 accounts.. you'll see games ranging from destiny,sheth,slush.catz all not scouting and wondering why they are losing so much to hellion run bys. Its because they don't fucking know that nitro pack ovies can scout and surprise surprise, just making 5 queens isn't going to defend vs "everything" Using your logic it's not our fault you guys can't stop creep you guys are just so lazy and don't like to move out enough to deny creep. It takes more effort to deny creep than it does to spread creep It takes more effort to deny drops than to do drops 3-4 spines + 1-2 spores add a pack of lings 1-2 banes if really really needed (doubt it) not so hard there? That's like saying 3 Missile Turrets will stop Mutalisks. It'll stop the basic harass, but it won't scare off anyone actually trying to commit to damage.
and I don't really see high level terrans complaining about mutalisk harass
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On August 21 2012 12:07 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 10:19 densha wrote:On August 21 2012 10:04 vthree wrote:On August 21 2012 07:08 densha wrote:
I'm afraid us Zergs and Protoss set a dangerous precedent early on in SC2. The "exaggerated balance whine = Blizzard listens" assumption is in full force here. You would think Terran never win a game vs. Z when in fact the match-up has stabilized wonderfully since the queen buff.
The only possible issue is that non-Korean Terrans are less successful than the Koreans, but that only reflects on their skill, outdated builds, different metagame, etc. Remember when GSL was basically 60% Terran players? Internet forum Terrans would always say "it has nothing to do with balance, it's just that the best players play T because of Boxer!". Well, maybe it's that legacy that continues in MVP and Taeja... just because foreigners have a hard time emulating that speaks nothing of balance. DRG won the GSL and was considered the best player in the world pre patch but the queen got buffed anyways. Shouldn't zergs just have played like DRG? You cannot just base things based on a handful of players. I'm not arguing whether or not Zerg needed the Queen buff, a case can be made that it was unnecessary of course. I'm saying the balance whining in this thread is full of emotional backlashing and clear exaggeration in hopes of making the problem seem worse than it is with the goal of getting Blizz to make more changes. In essence, whether the buff was necessary or not, the game as it stands now is still evolving and Terrans just don't look as helpless as they did maybe one or two months ago. Or maybe the Terran players are just all-inning half the time rather than actually playing a normal macro game, while the Z players are just plain out bad (see Symbol vs Reality for a perfect example of this) and just can't respond to it half the time? Don't talk about Taeja or MVP, because they are clearly levels ahead of the Z competition they faced, and when they do face a quality Z opponent on their level like DRG more often than not they are in big trouble.
"Maybe"? "Just plain out bad"? This is your evidence for imbalance? Without game length details and a lot of other stats, neither one of us can judge what you're saying fairly.
Do you really think T are all-inning more? Man, T were all-inning like it was the end of the world before they ever had a nerf or Z ever had a buff! That's one thing that T just does and I gauge that they're doing it far less, considering how often they used to pull SCVs, five rax reaper, marauder/hellion, and do any number of stim-centered all-ins.
But you're doing exactly what one of my earlier posts predicted - simply making excuses for cases in which your pet bias is contradicted without provided evidence to support your excuses ("Special Pleading").
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On August 21 2012 12:13 NATO wrote:
IEM: The only notable zerg there was Nestea (he was taken out by teammate MVP and some toss') Yet it's still 3/4 zerg in semifinals.
According to Blizzard, this means Zerg is 'having a hard time'. Because apparently they need 100% winrate no matter their skill to be considered balanced.
I'm hoping the interview occurred before the top 4 was decided, and maybe it re-convinced david kim that zergs are still doing really good.
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