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On July 31 2012 04:22 Dakure wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:20 Shiori wrote:On July 31 2012 04:19 Dakure wrote:So it's now confirmed that Boxer lost his passion for SC2, right? That's probably why they lost GSTL so embarrassingly  He's injured and will be coming back for HotS. If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Because he wants to play sc2 as a competitive progamer and this has nothing to do with competition, it's about representing a legacy, I'm sure that playing a single game in honor of his legacy and the final BW OSL won't kill him, while training exhaustively for sc2 would most certainly do harm, he also expects to come back slowly as soon as HotS is released, I know that you are just a bad troll, but I felt like informing this to those that might genuinely believe this bullshit is a possibility.
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On July 31 2012 05:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:55 playa wrote:On July 31 2012 04:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever. Son, show some respect. The man could macro just as well as any one else during his day. Not only that, without him, you wouldn't have macro players; without him, you wouldn't have top-tier Terran players; without him, you wouldn't have the esports industry as it is today. And no, I'm not exxagerating.
If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Maybe because this is the last OSL? I'm sure that if the last professional baseball game ever were played in a week and a bunch of retired old men were invited for one last game of catch, they would sure as hell show up. If Boxer could macro at all, I don't think he would have been losing to non Korean players in tournaments or have been demoted to the B team and forced to retire because he couldn't make it in to any lineups. Boxer has the worst win % of anyone that is talked of as god. How many free wins did he get off people when everyone was clueless on how to play? I just don't get the deal about the guy. I'm still irked about being pumped for Oov vs Boxer on rush hour. I knew it was boxer playing, but I felt good about the chances of not seeing 2 rax. Proxy 2 rax in Oov's base, the story of Boxers career. How riveting. Only one can be as gosu as Boxer, even though everyone at low level on ladder seems to be eerily similar. Just stop. You've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how Starcraft developed as an esport and how the esport industry developed. Educate yourself before you continue to talk. I don't care who the first best player was when everyone sucked. Just like I don't care who the best SC 2 player was during beta. It's ridiculous over glorification, just because of the time period they played in. Guess what amazing Terran that no one talks about has a better career win percent than Boxer? Midas. I'm happy I wasn't around to see Esports start out in SC, because I derive no enjoyment from watching repeated all-ins. The only series I enjoyed from boxer was vs anytime, where boxer failed with cheese and had to resort to playing like he was a pro gamer, and somehow won.
Your argument is you looked up win percentages in TLPD?
Please tell me about all the starleagues Midas won, or if he didn't manage to win any, all the finals he fought his way to over a 5 year period. Or do you really think people sucked for five years straight?
You haven't learned anything from the combined efforts of hundreds of pros over more than a decade if all you can do is whine about one of Starcraft's finest pioneers by saying he did too much all-in play. I'm sure in 100 years there will still be people who don't get it and complain about people not playing fair. And in 100 years Boxer will still be the first player who won 2 OSLs, let alone two in a row, along with his 3 silvers because he had better things to do than give up because some "fans" didn't want a Starcraft player winning Starcraft games in a certain way (a way which those fans didn't understand for shit).
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On July 31 2012 05:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:55 playa wrote:On July 31 2012 04:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever. Son, show some respect. The man could macro just as well as any one else during his day. Not only that, without him, you wouldn't have macro players; without him, you wouldn't have top-tier Terran players; without him, you wouldn't have the esports industry as it is today. And no, I'm not exxagerating.
If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Maybe because this is the last OSL? I'm sure that if the last professional baseball game ever were played in a week and a bunch of retired old men were invited for one last game of catch, they would sure as hell show up. If Boxer could macro at all, I don't think he would have been losing to non Korean players in tournaments or have been demoted to the B team and forced to retire because he couldn't make it in to any lineups. Boxer has the worst win % of anyone that is talked of as god. How many free wins did he get off people when everyone was clueless on how to play? I just don't get the deal about the guy. I'm still irked about being pumped for Oov vs Boxer on rush hour. I knew it was boxer playing, but I felt good about the chances of not seeing 2 rax. Proxy 2 rax in Oov's base, the story of Boxers career. How riveting. Only one can be as gosu as Boxer, even though everyone at low level on ladder seems to be eerily similar. Just stop. You've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how Starcraft developed as an esport and how the esport industry developed. Educate yourself before you continue to talk. I don't care who the first best player was when everyone sucked. Just like I don't care who the best SC 2 player was during beta. It's ridiculous over glorification, just because of the time period they played in. Guess what amazing Terran that no one talks about has a better career win percent than Boxer. Midas. I'm happy I wasn't around to see Esports start out in SC, because I derive no enjoyment from watching repeated all-ins. The only series I enjoyed from boxer was vs anytime, where boxer failed with cheese and had to resort to playing like he was a pro gamer, and somehow won.
in my memory yellow vs boxer in coca cola was one of best series i've watched, same with boxer vs garimto. i dont recall seeing too many cheese but great openers that force opponents in crisis management and transition into regular game. you see cheese but i see great openings that forces reaction from opponent and force them to adapt. cheese aren't so black and white as some people seem to make it out to be.
and people love boxer for the exact opposite reason why people like idra. he is respected by the community, shows great sportsmanship and attitude. never gives up, entertains the fans, does it all for the fans. he is respected because his a great person rather than great player stats wise.
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Isn't Yellow going to be favored since he played competitive BW a bit longer then Boxer? Although I guess it might even out since Boxer kept up with SC2/RTS's in general while Yellow shifted his focus to moba games. Perhaps it'll be closer then I expect.
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Nada was playing sc2, Anytime was playing BW heavily. While not on a pro-team anytime plays and streams all the time on Afreeca and has played in numerous KR top amateur tournaments with the like of players like terror, sky, eagle, hiyA, matchfixer dude, etc.
Is that matchfixer dude who I'm thinking of or simply one of his colleagues ?
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Sick! Expected although.. Will be interesting to see if it will be a repeat of the sc2 Lim Jin Rok or if YellOw is hungry for revenge ;D
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On July 31 2012 05:17 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:22 Dakure wrote:On July 31 2012 04:20 Shiori wrote:On July 31 2012 04:19 Dakure wrote:So it's now confirmed that Boxer lost his passion for SC2, right? That's probably why they lost GSTL so embarrassingly He's injured and will be coming back for HotS. If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion. Because he wants to play sc2 as a competitive progamer and this has nothing to do with competition, it's about representing a legacy, I'm sure that playing a single game in honor of his legacy and the final BW OSL won't kill him, while training exhaustively for sc2 would most certainly do harm, he also expects to come back slowly as soon as HotS is released, I know that you are just a bad troll, but I felt like informing this to those that might genuinely believe this bullshit is a possibility.
The information about his injury is probably a bit misrepresented. I bet boxer player from time to time, but retired because his should injury won't allow him to play at his full potential. No top pro wants to be seen publicly when they're not at their best.
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what is this talk of retire? i thought he was taking a break until hots. or is this considered retiring? temporary retirement?
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On July 31 2012 02:37 figq wrote:
Yellow wins.
Fantasy wins.
Fantasy challenges Yellow to avenge Boxer, betting his OSL title.
Yellow wins the OSL.
The world ends.
DUDE, THIS GOTTA HAPPEN!
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On July 31 2012 06:37 jinorazi wrote:
what is this talk of retire? i thought he was taking a break until hots. or is this considered retiring? temporary retirement?
BoxeR never mentioned retiring. IDK where these guys are getting this idea
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On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever.
Sounds like somebody just lost to some cheese on the ladder... :p
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On July 31 2012 05:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:55 playa wrote:On July 31 2012 04:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever. Son, show some respect. The man could macro just as well as any one else during his day. Not only that, without him, you wouldn't have macro players; without him, you wouldn't have top-tier Terran players; without him, you wouldn't have the esports industry as it is today. And no, I'm not exxagerating.
If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Maybe because this is the last OSL? I'm sure that if the last professional baseball game ever were played in a week and a bunch of retired old men were invited for one last game of catch, they would sure as hell show up. If Boxer could macro at all, I don't think he would have been losing to non Korean players in tournaments or have been demoted to the B team and forced to retire because he couldn't make it in to any lineups. Boxer has the worst win % of anyone that is talked of as god. How many free wins did he get off people when everyone was clueless on how to play? I just don't get the deal about the guy. I'm still irked about being pumped for Oov vs Boxer on rush hour. I knew it was boxer playing, but I felt good about the chances of not seeing 2 rax. Proxy 2 rax in Oov's base, the story of Boxers career. How riveting. Only one can be as gosu as Boxer, even though everyone at low level on ladder seems to be eerily similar. Just stop. You've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how Starcraft developed as an esport and how the esport industry developed. Educate yourself before you continue to talk. I don't care who the first best player was when everyone sucked. Just like I don't care who the best SC 2 player was during beta. It's ridiculous over glorification, just because of the time period they played in. Guess what amazing Terran that no one talks about has a better career win percent than Boxer. Midas. I'm happy I wasn't around to see Esports start out in SC, because I derive no enjoyment from watching repeated all-ins. The only series I enjoyed from boxer was vs anytime, where boxer failed with cheese and had to resort to playing like he was a pro gamer, and somehow won.
I'm not overly fussed with who was the best in a beta as well, the thing is boxer is so far from that, to suggest a likeness just shows you don't know what you are talking about. The guy dominated South Korean BW for years and has been playing at a top professional level for over a decade now. You can look back and say he was just a gimmicky cheesy player, but it just shows you've read about his games on tlpd or whatever rather than experienced and realised that at the time, his strategy coupled with godly micro produced a really innovative player.
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The featured match is actually Boxer vs Yellow BO5. Jangi vs Fantasy is only a bonus match BO1.
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On July 31 2012 05:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:55 playa wrote:On July 31 2012 04:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever. Son, show some respect. The man could macro just as well as any one else during his day. Not only that, without him, you wouldn't have macro players; without him, you wouldn't have top-tier Terran players; without him, you wouldn't have the esports industry as it is today. And no, I'm not exxagerating.
If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Maybe because this is the last OSL? I'm sure that if the last professional baseball game ever were played in a week and a bunch of retired old men were invited for one last game of catch, they would sure as hell show up. If Boxer could macro at all, I don't think he would have been losing to non Korean players in tournaments or have been demoted to the B team and forced to retire because he couldn't make it in to any lineups. Boxer has the worst win % of anyone that is talked of as god. How many free wins did he get off people when everyone was clueless on how to play? I just don't get the deal about the guy. I'm still irked about being pumped for Oov vs Boxer on rush hour. I knew it was boxer playing, but I felt good about the chances of not seeing 2 rax. Proxy 2 rax in Oov's base, the story of Boxers career. How riveting. Only one can be as gosu as Boxer, even though everyone at low level on ladder seems to be eerily similar. Just stop. You've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how Starcraft developed as an esport and how the esport industry developed. Educate yourself before you continue to talk. I don't care who the first best player was when everyone sucked. Just like I don't care who the best SC 2 player was during beta. It's ridiculous over glorification, just because of the time period they played in. Guess what amazing Terran that no one talks about has a better career win percent than Boxer. Midas. I'm happy I wasn't around to see Esports start out in SC, because I derive no enjoyment from watching repeated all-ins. The only series I enjoyed from boxer was vs anytime, where boxer failed with cheese and had to resort to playing like he was a pro gamer, and somehow won.
You forget that it's harder to learn and get better at the game when no one else is that good. When everyone is good, you have good players to play against and to teach you. When no one's figured the game out, but you still dominate, that's still impressive, because you've figured it out faster and better than the others.
Also, beta is a little different because a game in beta is supposed to be more unstable (more frequent changes) than when the game is officially out.
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On July 31 2012 05:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:55 playa wrote:On July 31 2012 04:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever. Son, show some respect. The man could macro just as well as any one else during his day. Not only that, without him, you wouldn't have macro players; without him, you wouldn't have top-tier Terran players; without him, you wouldn't have the esports industry as it is today. And no, I'm not exxagerating.
If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Maybe because this is the last OSL? I'm sure that if the last professional baseball game ever were played in a week and a bunch of retired old men were invited for one last game of catch, they would sure as hell show up. If Boxer could macro at all, I don't think he would have been losing to non Korean players in tournaments or have been demoted to the B team and forced to retire because he couldn't make it in to any lineups. Boxer has the worst win % of anyone that is talked of as god. How many free wins did he get off people when everyone was clueless on how to play? I just don't get the deal about the guy. I'm still irked about being pumped for Oov vs Boxer on rush hour. I knew it was boxer playing, but I felt good about the chances of not seeing 2 rax. Proxy 2 rax in Oov's base, the story of Boxers career. How riveting. Only one can be as gosu as Boxer, even though everyone at low level on ladder seems to be eerily similar. Just stop. You've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how Starcraft developed as an esport and how the esport industry developed. Educate yourself before you continue to talk. I don't care who the first best player was when everyone sucked. Just like I don't care who the best SC 2 player was during beta. It's ridiculous over glorification, just because of the time period they played in. Guess what amazing Terran that no one talks about has a better career win percent than Boxer. Midas. I'm happy I wasn't around to see Esports start out in SC, because I derive no enjoyment from watching repeated all-ins. The only series I enjoyed from boxer was vs anytime, where boxer failed with cheese and had to resort to playing like he was a pro gamer, and somehow won.
I bet you hate Michael Jordan as well.
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On July 31 2012 00:26 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 00:23 Elsid wrote:Looking forward to this assuming they both practice  Boxer retired from SC2 due to shoulder problems. I don't know how these probelms will impact the preparation. Altough I am sure he still can bunker rush.
hmm i thought he didnt "officially retire" but that he said he was taking time off to have his surgery and rehab? But didn't see anywhere that he was 100% done competing
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On July 31 2012 05:09 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:55 playa wrote:On July 31 2012 04:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 31 2012 04:01 playa wrote:
I hate boxer fans. No matter how much I disliked the guy, people would go crazy for him and hype up upcoming games to the point where you can't help but to think you should be excited. Game starts, all hyped up, and 5 mins later the game is over. The most glorified cheeser of all time. Too bad people learned how to stop it. Some pro gamers can't macro apparently. Still hope he loses and stays retired forever. Son, show some respect. The man could macro just as well as any one else during his day. Not only that, without him, you wouldn't have macro players; without him, you wouldn't have top-tier Terran players; without him, you wouldn't have the esports industry as it is today. And no, I'm not exxagerating.
If he's injured, why is he even playing this showmatch? Won't it do more harm? That's what I think, anyway. It feels like his injury is just an excuse to leave the scene without revealing that he's lost his passion.
Maybe because this is the last OSL? I'm sure that if the last professional baseball game ever were played in a week and a bunch of retired old men were invited for one last game of catch, they would sure as hell show up. If Boxer could macro at all, I don't think he would have been losing to non Korean players in tournaments or have been demoted to the B team and forced to retire because he couldn't make it in to any lineups. Boxer has the worst win % of anyone that is talked of as god. How many free wins did he get off people when everyone was clueless on how to play? I just don't get the deal about the guy. I'm still irked about being pumped for Oov vs Boxer on rush hour. I knew it was boxer playing, but I felt good about the chances of not seeing 2 rax. Proxy 2 rax in Oov's base, the story of Boxers career. How riveting. Only one can be as gosu as Boxer, even though everyone at low level on ladder seems to be eerily similar. Just stop. You've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of how Starcraft developed as an esport and how the esport industry developed. Educate yourself before you continue to talk. I don't care who the first best player was when everyone sucked. Just like I don't care who the best SC 2 player was during beta. It's ridiculous over glorification, just because of the time period they played in. Guess what amazing Terran that no one talks about has a better career win percent than Boxer. Midas. I'm happy I wasn't around to see Esports start out in SC, because I derive no enjoyment from watching repeated all-ins. The only series I enjoyed from boxer was vs anytime, where boxer failed with cheese and had to resort to playing like he was a pro gamer, and somehow won.
Woah Woah... this guy is not only hating on cheese, but also boxer. No worries lets just introduce 15m no rush so this guy can enjoy repetitive macro games all day long
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The injury story was just a cover up so that Boxer could practice BW, get pumped!
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this deserves more attention!
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