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On July 18 2012 18:21 MadProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:42 IdrA wrote:On July 18 2012 08:08 baby elephant wrote:
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User was warned for this post ROFL! idra <3 On topic : WTF someone is actually complaining about having a playboy model on stream? WHY in the fuck would you.... Then it hit me. OP is a woman. Vildhjerta is a swedish girl name. Google it. She made an account just to post this. ...It all makes sense now.
Uh... Just for your information, Vildhjerta is not a Swedish girl's name. It means 'Wild Heart'. Might be a girl, but what do I know. It's not a name though.
http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/swedish
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On July 18 2012 19:32 Kuni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 18:21 MadProbe wrote:
On topic : WTF someone is actually complaining about having a playboy model on stream? WHY in the fuck would you....
Then it hit me. OP is a woman. Vildhjerta is a swedish girl name. Google it. She made an account just to post this.
...It all makes sense now. Let's face it. The things Kennegit mentioned in his little video about not overrepresenting sexy flesh over players and other more important parts of the show are pretty valid.
Is that what he said? I find that ironic considering many casters arguably cast a shadow over the players these days. Seems to be that the players need to be propped up in most cases cause of their perceived lack of personality, casters is one way, if women needs to be the other way then so be it, but that's jmho.
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I demand a home video of Tasteless as compensation... If you know what I mean. But in all seriousness, hosts and casters are NOT the same thing, but I still think that they should have hired a host with a shred of knowledge about SC2.
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Answer to OP question:
When you go to a restaurant, who is there to greet you? Most likely a very attractive female or male. Same concept for SC2 if you ask me.
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Are you saying they didn't pick tasteless as gsl host for his looks? Are you saying day9 & husky aren't huge icons in the gay community? They're all dumber than they look but sexy as hell according to my girlfriend. My sister has confessed to having an artosis shrine of sexual admiration. I mean alot of these casters can make the biggest hetero guy a little curious ^^
Remember that time you were masturbating and DJ Wheat popped into your head? You tried to shrug it off but we both know there is something there ;-)
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On July 18 2012 20:47 oZe wrote:
Are you saying they didn't pick tasteless as gsl host for his looks? Are you saying day9 & husky aren't huge icons in the gay community? They're all dumber than they look but sexy as hell according to my girlfriend. My sister has confessed to having an artosis shrine of sexual admiration. I mean alot of these casters can make the biggest hetero guy a little curious ^^
Remember that time you were masturbating and DJ Wheat popped into your head? You tried to shrug it off but we both know there is something there ;-)
Haha oh man I lost you at "artosis shrine of sexual admiration" hahahhahahaha oh my..
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Personally i felt offended by both host at NASL ( at least i seemed to me they were both hosts ) thinking the home world of the zergs is Char... :/
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On July 18 2012 20:47 oZe wrote:
Are you saying they didn't pick tasteless as gsl host for his looks? Are you saying day9 & husky aren't huge icons in the gay community? They're all dumber than they look but sexy as hell according to my girlfriend. My sister has confessed to having an artosis shrine of sexual admiration. I mean alot of these casters can make the biggest hetero guy a little curious ^^
Remember that time you were masturbating and DJ Wheat popped into your head? You tried to shrug it off but we both know there is something there ;-)
Best. Post. Ever.
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On July 18 2012 09:42 IdrA wrote:User was warned for this post
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The same dam way as guys!
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On July 18 2012 09:48 thurst0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:19 Vildhjerta wrote:On July 18 2012 09:06 killerdog wrote:A Hosts job is to keep the crowds attention during breaks, and introduce things in a not totally awkward fashion, mlg accomplishes this by having clutch, who iirc is trained in acting or broadcasting or something, and other tournaments accomplish this by having humorous hosts, (incontrol, 2gd) or physically attractive hosts or anything else that keeps people at their monitors during those moments where nothing is going on. I fail to see the link between having physically attractive hosts and making it harder for females in E-Sports. If a girl wants to succeed as a player, then gender is definitely not a disadvantage, in fact i would say it is a huge advantage to be female because you will get a lot more attention, and attention attracts sponsors which attracts opportunities to improve which otherwise might not be there. If a female player feels hard done by then they should just buckle down and practice because i can't think of a single case in which a female player has been passed over for sponsorship/attention in favour of a male player of equal skill. As casters, the skills required to be a caster are the ability to be well spoken, that is have a suitably large active vocabulary and know how to use it, as well as having an accent which isn't totally out there, and also knowing enough about the game to talk about it on a decent level. There is always going to be a certain amount of "prejudice" people have when listening to female vs male commentators just because it's a female, and the majority of the sc2 audience (i believe) are male, and that isn't going to change for the forseeable future. I'm just surprised you choose to discuss the fact that hosts sometimes are females who don't understand the game. Because there are just as many male hosts who don't understand the game as well. Actually in my opinion, if you want to complain about something damaging the reputation of females who game seriously i would talk about all the girls who use the fact they are a girl as their main selling point, rather then their playing skill. A few examples (nothing against these people personally or anything like that, they are just examples of a trend i've seen recently) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=346852http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=339222Are two examples, both are girls trying to sell themselves as girls. Surely this is much more damaging to the professionalism, you seem to want, where there are no differences between how males and females are perceived. There is a certain double standard to saying "guys treat girl gamers differently" when the vocal 5% of female gamers, (who are the ones people hear, and therefore believe make up the majority of the female gaming scene) are advertising their stream as "starcraft with boobs" or something like that. This kind of advertising is just putting more focus on dividing male and female gamers rather then bringing them together. I believe that the best way for female gamers to be treated equally is just to not put any focus on the fact that they are girls, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342346http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290288These two streamers just acknowledge that they are girls and then move on, because IT ISN'T IMPORTANT. If girls want attention they should just get better, such as scarlett has done, and get noticed for results. I think it's the people who use the fact that they are female to get attention within the community rather then the professional mc's or interviewers doing their jobs who are undermining the equality. Just my opinion ^.^ I think that gender might be a big disadvantage.Maybe not in marketing, but during the entire gamer-career. Before this girl wanted to "succeed as a player", as you put it, she has probably been with the community for a while. Some people's attitude might have gotten her to change her mind; can't you imagine any girl feeling that she is being worked against by the general view of women in the community? I think what you're taking up is a big issue as well, but I can't write about all issues, can I? There's too much to say about it. You, on the other hand, who seem to be more interested in just this specific thing than in what I wrote about, should start a thread on that! I would read it Wow, please stop. You don't know what these girls are thinking, stop pretending like you do. Here's an anecdote: I used to be good friends with a girl gamer. From the first moment I learned she was a gamer, all I could do was swoon over her. She got nothing but my attention and encouragement. There was never a moment when I got a sense from her that she was discouraged in anyway by anyone. Again this is just an anecdote. Maybe your community and culture is one that tries to knock down women constantly, and there are certainly people who would wish to do that in the U.S. But you make it seem like all of e-sports is against the idea of women, and i think that just about everyone is WIDE OPEN to the idea as long as the women has merits for why they are there. Scarletts merits are self aparrent, for Ms. Elise our friend killerdog explains her merits of being a host below... Please refresh my memory, what is the general view of women in the community. You're basically making it here by making this thread. My view of women in the community: there aren't enough. That's all, nothing more nothing less. Like I said, this guy totally ripped your points apart in his first paragraph. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:06 killerdog wrote:
A Hosts job is to keep the crowds attention during breaks, and introduce things in a not totally awkward fashion, mlg accomplishes this by having clutch, who iirc is trained in acting or broadcasting or something, and other tournaments accomplish this by having humorous hosts, (incontrol, 2gd) or physically attractive hosts or anything else that keeps people at their monitors during those moments where nothing is going on. You clearly don't understand the purpose of a host.
No need to get unfriendly, but I guess that it is just your incapability to keep being nice to someone you don't agree with. And I appreciate your "You don't know what these girls are thinking, stop pretending like you do.". Do you know what these girls are thinking better than I do? I only know what me myself is thinking, and being one of the gamer girls in the community I don't mean that I represent all of them, but I do represent myself as a part of them.
Also, I write in my message that "SOME people's attitude might have gotten her to change her mind". Not the entire community's attitude.
Well I think that the general view of women in the community (this is just my opinion as I've stated all along) is that people are surprised to see them. You seem to be one of the people thinking it is so positive a thing that more girls get into e-sports, which is nice. I share that opinion. I have met a lot of people who say the same thing and are so enthusiastic and are like "wow how did you get into this?!?!?! why do you play?!?!? shit this is so cool". It might seem nice, but it takes the attention away of me just being a regular gamer and instead, all my conversations with new people(mostly men) who play starcraft is about the same thing; why I play it etc. The focus is always on me being a girl and playing, not me playing. So what I mean is of course not that ppl want to "knock down women constantly" as you put it, but that people make difference in how they talk to you etc because you're a girl. These sorts of things put me down, even though they're probably difficult to avoid, females being a minority and stuff.
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I just want more girls like Soe in my ESPORTZ. Smart, witty, cute as hell and above all invested in the industry.
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I've only skimmed the thread, but have yet to see this adressed. What are the community's female alternatives to Lauren Elise? Are there any at all?. Edit: Ok, Soe. Any others?
This is not to say Lauren didn't do a great job, of course (props to her!).
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Sigh.
Isn't talking about "How to present women" right in front of them equally demeaning?
Just let the women take the jobs they want, and let the tournament organizers hire the women they want, and be done with it. Come on guys.
If we had a black guy on the stage doing stupid shit, would we be discussing "How to present black people"?
If it were a white guy doing the announcer voice who didn't care about SC2, would we be even discussing this? Where's the thread about the guy from the UK WCS? He wasn't particularly knowledgable about the game.
I mean, hell, she knew Raynor's middle name. Beat me.
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On July 18 2012 11:43 mostevil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 10:35 mierin wrote:
I think Soe's doing a pretty good job at being a female in esports...hot, decently knowledgeable about the game, and interacts well with the crowd. Here's hoping for more characters like her to pop up. She's grade A at dodging creepy advances from popular community figures too.Personally, I don't like watching ugly people generally, male or female. But by the same measure I'm not entirely comfortable with someone being there who's only purpose is to look pretty, especially if its in a host/interviewer role. However I think alot of the community just like to see "guys like themselves", which might in part explain the general misogyny of the community and popularity of angry or geeky awkward type characters whom I personally find few qualities in.
Please elaborate. Who made creepy advances?
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Does anyone honestly think Lauren Elise cares if people see her as "eye-candy"? The girl did several Playboy shoots, I think she knows at this point she got hired cause she's hot, and it seems to me she's perfectly fine with it.
Not to mention I'm really impressed with the way people have embraced Scarlett's ascent despite the fact that she's a woman and a transgender woman at that, yet we really don't seem to give a shit cause frankly she can play the game as well as anyone.
If the OP was trying to imply that e-sports is becoming mysogynistic then the OP has failed miserably. In fact I've never seen a bigger collection of white knights in my life (LOL  )
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On July 18 2012 11:53 ownyah wrote:
I like how he says `` this is a male-dominated`` community and therefore it is accepted that only hot girls are allowed.
What a fucking load of bullshit, women are equally or even more so superficial.
How who says? "He" as in me?
What I said was not that only hot girls were allowed. Luckily the majority of the people who read my post seemed to get that 
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On July 18 2012 21:35 Sbrubbles wrote:
I've only skimmed the thread, but have yet to see this adressed. What are the community's female alternatives to Lauren Elise? Are there any at all?. Edit: Ok, Soe. Any others?
This is not to say Lauren didn't do a great job, of course (props to her!).
There are quite a few, Smix, Megumi, Anna Prosser to name a few. At IPL4 there were a lot of female hosts interviewers etc. who were there because they were part of the community and not purely for eye candy.
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Women get a lot of advantages in society simply because they're women. Better treatment, jobs, money, mates, etc. I imagine this "outrage" at some hot girl getting a job is because it's no longer ambiguous why she got it. If she's plain looking at least you can pretend she got the job because she's talented or something.
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