EPTHow to present females in the SCII-community? - Page 15
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
A girl like Lauren is not a good representative for the female gaming community, especially since she’s barely part of it. Hiring her gives the impression that women are qualified hostesses as long as they’re good looking. It is needless to say that the same does not go for the male hosts. But she didn't play the same role as the likes of Day[9], Bitter, and iNcontrol. She was mostly used as an usher and friendly face, and this doesn't require any game knowledge. Similarly, the guy who was announcing the players did not need game knowledge to do his job. Appearance was important for both of these roles, and if NASL had employed a man instead of Lauren Elise, I'm sure he would have been good looking and charismatic too. The people who do these jobs are not supposed to be representatives of the gaming community - they're supposed to be part of a slick presentation, in the same way that whoever presents the weather isn't supposed to represent the meteorological community. Compare this to Soe who was presented as a knowledgeable analyst/interviewer/caster, or Scarlett who was treated in exactly the same way as every other player, at least by NASL themselves (some of the community comments, on the other hand, were less than kind). These are the people who are supposed to be female representatives of the gaming community, and they did a stellar job of it. This sort of thing is definitely worth keeping an eye on, because if it becomes a trend then we have the basis for an argument that women are treated differently than men. But one organistaion, employing one woman, one time, to be a good looking camera presence is not inherently indicative of a sexist attitude towards women. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Now people lets not get ahead of ourselves. We are a community that made a fanclub for a random model that existed in our lives for 4-5 days. Lindsay something, so give us pretty and we will be contempt. That's unfortunately what the human nature has devolved into. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Ramanujan
137 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:15 rave[wcr] wrote: they shld try to get someone who was a playboy model AND has some sort of background concerning electronics and video games. ie sara underwood. id settle for some hot cosplayer like milynn sarley. Yeah let's limit the group of models that want to work in gaming further... | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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Ramanujan
137 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:33 prplhz wrote: I also think it's wrong to hire someone to host an event who did not have any prior interest in the community and who does not have any knowledge about the game, solely because of their gender and their looks. Furthermore I think it's in NASL's best interest to use someone that female gamers will look up to instead of just using someone that male gamers will look at. I doubt anybody showed up for the event or watched the event because Lauren Elise was there but I think they would be able to attract more female gamers if they didn't indirectly promote a somewhat sexist atmosphere through a gimmick like this. That's funny. Hire ugly chicks or you're SEXIST arrrr! | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
You're no better than the people who called Lauren eye candy, just less honest, and jealous that you can't be attracted to women like that because if you were, you'd be constantly disappointed. | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:09 Ramanujan wrote: Women get a lot of advantages in society simply because they're women. Better treatment, jobs, money, mates, etc. I imagine this "outrage" at some hot girl getting a job is because it's no longer ambiguous why she got it. If she's plain looking at least you can pretend she got the job because she's talented or something. Lol no, its a male society and males get the better jobs and paychecks Off course she got the job because she looks good,looking good was one of the requirement of the job. We would not want bad looking hosts would we? Same goes for the males btw (though sc might be an exception lol) All sports commentators and hosts on tv are good looking. Shinobi1982 July 18 2012 21:20. Posts 1143 Lol at this btw, thx for posting it. | ||
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supervizor
Netherlands42 Posts
Still, focusing on the main topic at hand: there are alot of problems imo and NASL using some pretty girl seems sorta pettish in the grand scheme. And maybe having pretty women function at a host isn't a bad thing. So many aspects like looks and intelligence are given to us @ birth. What is so wrong about the notion that a pretty woman gets chosen as a host because of her looks? Seems to me the woman is just using the tools she got from nature. If she was using her looks to do bad things like deceive i could understand but being a hostess... explain to me whats so wrong about it. And for the people watching...Is it wrong for a male to find a good looking woman aesthetically pleasing? Should i deny the fact that appearence matters to me? Im not saying you should take it to far (base all your decisions on how pretty the girl is) but allowing it to matter seems oke. I'm not going around beating up ugly women, so thats not the problem. Now the argument is probaly going to be the objectiving of women. Yes, some men do that. But if you have a decent amount of intelligence you can actually find women pretty and not objective them. Its not an OR situation. I can watch NASL, see a pretty hostess and find that aesthetically pleasing... and still remember shes a human being. | ||
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effervescent
United States47 Posts
On July 18 2012 21:35 Sbrubbles wrote: I've only skimmed the thread, but have yet to see this adressed. What are the community's female alternatives to Lauren Elise? Are there any at all?. Edit: Ok, Soe. Any others? This is not to say Lauren didn't do a great job, of course (props to her!). You know, if NASL had advertised they were looking for a host and were willing to fund the travel expenses, I'm sure there would've been girls interested in eSports that would've applied. Hell, I don't know what/if they're paying Lauren Elise, but if they covered just my travel/board costs, I would've hosted the event for free. Actually, I would've worked for free even if they just covered plane tickets. On July 18 2012 22:09 Ramanujan wrote: Women get a lot of advantages in society simply because they're women. Better treatment, jobs, money, mates, etc. I imagine this "outrage" at some hot girl getting a job is because it's no longer ambiguous why she got it. If she's plain looking at least you can pretend she got the job because she's talented or something. Hahaha, honey, in America women do NOT get equal treatment in the business/career world. Also see: Sexual harassment in the workplace | ||
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Ramanujan
137 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:41 Rassy wrote: Lol no, its a male society and males get the better jobs and paychecks Off course she got the job because she looks good,looking good was one of the requirement of the job. We would not want bad looking hosts would we? Same goes for the males btw (though sc might be an exception lol) All sports commentators and hosts on tv are good looking. Shinobi1982 July 18 2012 21:20. Posts 1143 Lol at this btw, thx for posting it. No, males don't "get" better jobs and paychecks. They work for them. | ||
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Ramanujan
137 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:46 effervescent wrote: Hahaha, honey, in America women do NOT get equal treatment in the business/career world. Also see: Sexual harassment in the workplace I know. Women get better treatment. | ||
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Anachromy
United States194 Posts
women will occasionally do interviews, and flavor commentary, but rarely beyond that. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
Drop the idea that every girl at an event has to be some hot, not so game bright, sex symbol. I love what NASL is doing and this season was a huge step in the right direction... until they brought on Lauren Elise. Very sad. Yes.. I know it happens in almost all sports. I will say though.. having been a player on the PDGA tour (Professional Disc Golf Association).. the women in that sport were welcomed in because they loved the game and because many of them were very good at it. Its a sad state in esports when we have to bring in women for their looks first and their passion for SC2 second. This has all been done in eSports before.. while at GGL (Global Gaming League).. we did the same thing there only on a great scale. They actually paid her a shit ton of money to be an employee of the GGL.. mostly because of her looks and it got the GGL and eSports no where. So disappointed in NASL. Could you imagine me telling Rachel that we want her to host an event and the reason we tell her is because she is hot. CSN is pretty blessed to have an attractive women in eSports..but she got where she is today because she is very passionate about what she does and she is fucking good at it  Lets keep it that way please.. or we (eSports) just becomes even more like the WWE.  | ||
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effervescent
United States47 Posts
What country do you live in cuz I'm moving there. | ||
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cLAN.Anax
United States2847 Posts
On July 18 2012 11:53 wei2coolman wrote: Also, in the case of Scarlett (sensitive topic,i know). Is physically male, but identifies as female, right? Probably not exactly best example to represent the female sex in SC2. She was born male, but is now physically female, and identifies as such. Otherwise, you pretty much put into words what's been mulling in my mind for the past couple months regarding Scarlett. I just don't think she's a good examplar for female gamers. I recognize her as a female gamer and respect her play (+ Show Spoiler + she handily took down Osotjiy this weekend at WCS, in my opinion In whatever case, if I root for her, I'm going to simply because she's a great player, and I hope she continues to faceroll some big-time nerds in the future. | ||
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rave[wcr]
United States1166 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:33 Ramanujan wrote: Yeah let's limit the group of models that want to work in gaming further... id rather work with a limited but concentrated and included model group than a wide one without any focus. i dont want some pamela anderson wanna be derping around premier tournaments being awkward n shit. | ||
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effervescent
United States47 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:57 rave[wcr] wrote: id rather work with a limited but concentrated and included model group than a wide one without any focus. i dont want some pamela anderson wanna be derping around premier tournaments being awkward n shit. Please, please tell me somebody else heard Lauren Elise say she hoped there "weren't midgets walking around" because she was wearing a dress... | ||
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mrhobbers
109 Posts
On July 18 2012 22:50 Anachromy wrote: Perhaps this is a bad analogy, but in the world of traditional sports, i.e. Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, American Football, etc. I have not once heard a female sportscaster in the 27 years I've been on this planet. I don't think it's just us in the SC2 community, but rather competitive sports in general. women will occasionally do interviews, and flavor commentary, but rarely beyond that. During some of the double-headers this season, some of the NBA games on ESPN they had a female analytic caster. However, back to the thread, this community makes the biggest deals out of the smallest things. The top 2 threads on TL-SC2 right now are "Omg. I think MMA had sex with Jessica/Eve?" (which is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on TL) and "I can't take it. They hired a girl who did a fantastic job. That's terrible. They should of hired a different girl who has zero experience with a camera and a crowd, but she can talk about SC2 meta-game while she hands out shirts to fans." I don't understand why people complain about everything? She did a great job, and I don't see why NASL wouldn't bring her back for S4. | ||
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