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Anyone else want this? I mean, they already made the crossover to UNIX based systems (OS X), so Ubuntu support shouldn't be hard. So, are there any other Linux users here?
Poll: Do we want a Linux port for Sc2?Yes, I would LOVE to play Sc2 on Linux without bugs! (749) 93% I really don't care. Windows for the win! (34) 4% Linux is stupid! (10) 1% No, I have some other way of running sc2 (8) 1% I really don't care. OS X for life! (6) 1% 807 total votes Your vote: Do we want a Linux port for Sc2? (Vote): Yes, I would LOVE to play Sc2 on Linux without bugs!
(Vote): No, I have some other way of running sc2
(Vote): I really don't care. Windows for the win!
(Vote): I really don't care. OS X for life!
(Vote): Linux is stupid!
If you want to help the movement, just post, keep this thread alive!
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A lot of people are linux users <3 I myself tried, worked fine but didn't get any sound... kinda anoying. If anyone has a solution to this... But with wine, or even POL, it works fine if you take out the sound issue
Anyway I think this thread deserved to be moved to tech ? Or I may be wrong ?
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I thought about putting it in tech, but this is less of a question, more of a (hopeful) petition for native Linux support. And yeah, wine kinda sucks. I have a good graphics card, so it's not terrible. But have to connect my laptop through an ethernet cable (centrino is being difficult), so I keep windows handy.
Let's get native support.
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You can run SC2 in wine, quite easy to do.
You need a slightly higher power computer to run the same graphics settings though.
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Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
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use development version of wine
also I used to use linux (full time), until around windows 7 cause of other games that didn't work on wine...
(Ubuntu, Arch Linux, etc)
as for blizzard supporting linux -> so then how would blizzard decide between supporting like centos, fedora, linux mint, ubuntu, debian, arch linux, red hat, gentoo, ... (hint: it's not feasible), although a case could be said to support only through bigger corporations (narrowing it down to redhat/fedora and ubuntu systems), but then... given the overall linux playerbase, and how many players you'll be narrowing it down to when you go by corporations...
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*** please note that even then I doubt they'll give the source, which results in them giving a binary file, which also introduces a symlink hell/library hell situation anyways.
On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
that's such a bad and extremely stupid misconception -_-
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Dakota_Fanning
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Don't expect blizzard to port the game to Linux, you'll have to use workarounds.
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Cant you just use a virtual windows on linux, and play it trough that?
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On June 29 2012 18:26 Darksoldierr wrote:
Cant you just use a virtual windows on linux, and play it trough that?
Thats kind of missing the point, one would probably just boot windows instead.
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Uhm ubuntu/kubuntu and all that can't people who uses those just use windows as a second OS? ;]
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On June 29 2012 18:37 SilSol wrote:
Uhm ubuntu/kubuntu and all that can't people who uses those just use windows as a second OS? ;]
Because i have to pay for it if i want a legal version? It is also anoying to have to reboot every time i want to game when i use ubuntu for work
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On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they? They must buy it to play on Battle.net, just like everybody else.
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On June 29 2012 18:26 Darksoldierr wrote:
Cant you just use a virtual windows on linux, and play it trough that?
Don't think so. Last I used virtualisation software none of them had anything close to decent hardware acceleration support.
I reboot everytime I want to play. Its a MASSIVE pain the the ass 
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On June 29 2012 17:55 p2jh wrote:
A lot of people are linux users <3 I myself tried, worked fine but didn't get any sound... kinda anoying. If anyone has a solution to this... But with wine, or even POL, it works fine if you take out the sound issue
Anyway I think this thread deserved to be moved to tech ? Or I may be wrong ?
You may need to revert to an earlier version of Wine to get sound to work. I went back to 2.6 or 2.7 I think. The downside to this fix is that the earlier version of Wine doesn't show potraits, league icons and a couple of other UI things in the main menu but all customs and ladder options work fine.
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It's a shame that Blizzard stopped supporting OpenGL in their games. WoW came with OpenGL support and since Linux has native support for that, WoW actually ran better with Linux/Wine than on Windows, since all the important calls (the OpenGL stuff) didn't have to be translated by Wine and could benefit from the higher efficiency of the Linux system. SC2 and D3 only use DirectX, which doesn't have a native Linux version, so Wine needs to do all the translating. It still runs okay, but you don't get the same experience out of your hardware are you would on Windows.
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Last time I tried the dev version of wine worked just fine. Although it has been a while (6 months or something..) since I used my main machine for gaming. Only problem I had was that sometimes geysers would "drop" through the map so I couldn't use them, but I think that was mostly related to AMD/ATI drivers..
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If you already have 3rd party drivers (manufacturer) installed on linux, try giving SC2 a go in WINE. Close to none optimizations have to be done and it runs quite well... I recommend it.
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There is wine but its not as good as on windows to be honest. The funny thing is SC2 is on Mac it would be pretty trivial from a development standpoint to actually make a native version but they just don't believe in the platform. Hopefully now that Valve is supporting Linux by porting Steam and their source engine other companies namely Blizzard will follow suit. Knowing Blizzard they won't at least not quickly.
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Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all.
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I'm a linux user (Gentoo, opensuse and others), and im a pessimist for "native support".. it will never happen
Wine works QUITE good yeah but unfortunately on my stationary I have big problems
Tux fighting T.T
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..and yeah btw, I only use Windows for certain games and for gaming
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On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all.
Get your head of out you ass. Nobody needs the source code. They could just release unix version. On the other hand they will never do that but if the game uses open GL it can run on Linux pretty smoothly.
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On June 29 2012 22:32 Fabozi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all. Get your head of out you ass. Nobody needs the source code. They could just release unix version. On the other hand they will never do that but if the game uses open GL it can run on Linux pretty smoothly.
Like I said linux IS not for gaming.
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Dual boot is the way to go. Windows 7/Lubuntu here. All I really use Lubuntu for is torrenting and for when I need to focus on work.
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On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all.
There is nothing hugely different architecture wise to support your statement at all. Like both Windows and Linux have pretty comparable experiences for gaming if companies supported Linux in the same way as Windows. Its people saying stuff like this that just makes me mad at Windows fan boys for being so bloody stupid.
And Linux users aren't hipsters either thats mac users :D
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should this be moved to tech support?
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stop being a hipster and get windows. Or at least a dual boot.
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On June 29 2012 22:54 niteReloaded wrote:
stop being a hipster and get windows. Or at least a dual boot.
What does using linux have with being a hipster? Its easier for me in many ways regarding university work just to use linux. It would be nice to have more game support, but i realise it wont happen anytime soon
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On June 29 2012 22:55 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:54 niteReloaded wrote:
stop being a hipster and get windows. Or at least a dual boot. What does using linux have with being a hipster? Its easier for me in many ways regarding university work just to use linux. It would be nice to have more game support, but i realise it wont happen anytime soon
I feel like the majority of Linux users use it partially because it's different/not Microsoft, even in Croatia where probably 95% of Windows are pirated, so it's not a money issue.
You may not be like that but many are.
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On June 29 2012 22:33 Nokshalees wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:32 Fabozi wrote:On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all. Get your head of out you ass. Nobody needs the source code. They could just release unix version. On the other hand they will never do that but if the game uses open GL it can run on Linux pretty smoothly. Like I said linux IS not for gaming.
Linux is a general purpose operating system. It's for anything anyone damn well feels like using it for. Also, the very mighty Valve seems to disagree with you.
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There is so little to gain for Blizzard from porting on UNIX systems compared to the amount of work involved.
Won't happen.
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On June 29 2012 23:04 Aim Here wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:33 Nokshalees wrote:On June 29 2012 22:32 Fabozi wrote:On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all. Get your head of out you ass. Nobody needs the source code. They could just release unix version. On the other hand they will never do that but if the game uses open GL it can run on Linux pretty smoothly. Like I said linux IS not for gaming. Linux is a general purpose operating system. It's for anything anyone damn well feels like using it for. Also, the very mighty Valve seems to disagree with you.
That is so fucking awesome! x)!!!
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Yes please! Most game developers should start making games for Linux 
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I'd like to see it happen, but it won't unfortunately. Not worth the time and effort to gain the small playerbase that they would for porting.
I think most people who wanted to play SC2 on Linux have already purchased it and either emulate it through wine or have a dual boot setup. I don't think there's many people sitting on the fence waiting for native support.
It'd be nice to see more devs supporting linux (like valve seems to be getting ready to do), though...
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On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
releasing a linux client is as much about open source as releasing a windows client (oh and btw macosx is based on freebsd, which is open-source itself, doesnt mean there will be open-source sc2 there...
on the original thread:
check youtube for "sc2 linux" (or in fact, any other linux-related stuff you need), there are actually a TON of tutorials on installing just about anything.
i found video guides to be the easiest to follow, much easier than normal (text- or screenshot) howtos.
i used to play games on linux back in the windows xp days, (yay native quake ports), still its so much pain right now that i'd recommend just dual-booting into windows. (which everyone has a copy of)
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Btw... one thing the great Richard Stallman himself personally told me:
DONT SAY OPEN SOURCE - SAY FREE SOFTWARE!
Open Source is a bullshit term, it doesnt really mean anything, it can be the exact opposite of what people mean by using those words
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On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
Every. Fucking. Time.
Here, take a look at that:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/48Q7u.png)
Source: http://www.humblebundle.com/
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Wine sucks. Wine is what you have to do to get something kinda working suckily in a shadow of what it would be on Linux. People who are content with Wine aren't real Linux users. To me, Linux is a huge world where you can take something and fuck with it enough until it works better than anything anyone else has for what you want it to do. I've seen the power of Linux gaming, games with native clients blow Windows performance out of the water (when they're not shitty ports). Sure, you *can* use Wine, but why would you want to?
Instead of saying "yeah, just use Wine", more people should be yelling at Blizzard for native support. I'm hoping that with the boom in Linux gaming from the humble bundles & Valve bringing Steam to Linux (rumoured to be sometime this year), that momentum will give Blizzard enough reason to port their games.
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On June 29 2012 23:12 ZenithM wrote:
There is so little to gain for Blizzard from porting on UNIX systems compared to the amount of work involved.
Won't happen.
All of Blizzard's main titles have native UNIX clients...what on earth do you think OSX is? Is there really that much of a Mac gaming market to cater to compared to the amount of work involved? 
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Well, gotta save up to buy some more Windows. Linux users have plenty o' money to use on other things.
:p
On June 29 2012 23:47 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 23:12 ZenithM wrote:
There is so little to gain for Blizzard from porting on UNIX systems compared to the amount of work involved.
Won't happen. All of Blizzard's main titles have native UNIX clients...what on earth do you think OSX is? Is there really that much of a Mac gaming market to cater to compared to the amount of work involved?
I thought that OSX is more like POSIX-compliant rather than UNIX based.
But well anyway, there are like 10 times more Mac users than Linux users.
Edit: Fun fact: they would probably implement an iOS version sooner than a Linux version ;D
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On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
I'd actually buy a separate linux-launcher on top of the game if it meant I didn't have to re-boot my machine to windows every time I want to play SC2.
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If Linux systems could run smoothly high-end games without work-around tricks there would be less Windows and Mac machines around the globe
I've Ubuntu 12.04 and W7 dual boot and the only reason I boot W7 is either to play or to code Windows-specific programs.
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On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
yeah, because "Linux people" can play without activating sc2 on their bnet account. oh wait
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I use Windows for gaming and working and Linux for watching porn (kinda afraid of viruses). Therefore, I see no reason why they should port SC2 to Linux. More People using Linux means more potential viruses on my harddisk.
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On June 29 2012 23:55 nayc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they? yeah, because "Linux people" can play without activating sc2 on their bnet account. oh wait
Pretty sure he's just saying that there aren't enough Linux users for this to be even remotely worth Blizzard's time spent paying employees.
They'd probably lose money doing a Linux-based SC2 release.
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On June 29 2012 22:33 Nokshalees wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:32 Fabozi wrote:On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote:
Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all. Get your head of out you ass. Nobody needs the source code. They could just release unix version. On the other hand they will never do that but if the game uses open GL it can run on Linux pretty smoothly. Like I said linux IS not for gaming.
actually linux is linux, neither for "not for gaming" nor "for gaming" (same with windows)
as for Mac/OSX:
it's a heaaaaaaaavily modded *BSD
also BSD != Linux
On June 30 2012 01:36 CapnAmerica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 23:55 nayc wrote:On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote:
Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they? yeah, because "Linux people" can play without activating sc2 on their bnet account. oh wait Pretty sure he's just saying that there aren't enough Linux users for this to be even remotely worth Blizzard's time spent paying employees. They'd probably lose money doing a Linux-based SC2 release.
actually what he's implying is that linux based users apparently because they don't want to pay for an OS, wouldn't pay for _______ other software
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On June 30 2012 00:03 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I use Windows for gaming and working and Linux for watching porn (kinda afraid of viruses). Therefore, I see no reason why they should port SC2 to Linux. More People using Linux means more potential viruses on my harddisk.
LOL at least ur telling the truth LOL "linux for porn" HAHA ;]
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For people saying stuff about multi-distro support, can't most distros run .deb or .rpm packages? I remember using both with Sabayon whose native packages are ebuilds. I'm sure you'd need to get a package to get the proper support, but it's not like they're large or hard to use.
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starcraft2 has run beautifully under wine for me for the most part, it required almost no setup with wine+ubuntu. i have run into some of the sound bugs mentioned above, as well as a graphics bug a few months ago that made curved surfaces look straight (e.g. spine crawlers stood straight up), but if you find the right versions of wine+drivers for your set-up things tend to work just fine. i should note that my FPS is a lot lower than in windows (i.e. 60 rather than 160), but if i had a more badass gfx card that might be no big deal (currently using a GTX260, my friend with a 480 says he gets 100+ FPS in wine).
(PS i play on really low settings because i find it easier to see what's going on, if you care about like HDR bloom and shit then wine is probably not for you, i'd get <30FPS on ultra settings i think -- nvidia just doesn't care that much about their linux drivers i guess?)
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starcraft 2 is a GUI game, how can linux user like it
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On June 30 2012 03:02 buckKeefe wrote:
(PS i play on really low settings because i find it easier to see what's going on, if you care about like HDR bloom and shit then wine is probably not for you, i'd get <30FPS on ultra settings i think -- nvidia just doesn't care that much about their linux drivers i guess?)
The framerate issue relates to a bug, probably in wine, where the GPU and CPU aren't being set to their maximum performance to cope with the fact that a big resource-hungry game like Starcraft 2 is running. It's not an Nvidia issue (it happens to the CPU and ATI cards too). I get a framerate boost by fiddling with cpufreq-set before running Starcraft (and switching it back afterwards), and if I could do something similar to my graphics card I would.
This is the relevant wine bug, if you have gosu C coding skills, know your way around the Windows API and want to fix it and make Linux/Starcraft nerds happy.
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Tried to play WC3 under Linux, worked well, but it's not the same. OpenGL looks different, different fonts, random stuttering, worse performance, always the fear that some update (game or components) breaks something. SC2 depends so much on little details that I don't want to be bothered by that. Also would be forced to use shitty proprietary graphics card drivers. Thus I don't even try to use SC2 under Linux (don't want to install WINE anyway).
Wouldn't take much effort by Blizzard to make a Linux port, I think. They have an OpenGL renderer for the mac version. And the rest shouldn't be much work. It's just that they don't want to provide support for Linux (Troubleshooting etc.). I think in WoW Linux/WINE is tolerated (by making Warden aware of that) and that's about it what one can expect.
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On June 30 2012 00:03 ProbeEtPylon wrote:
I use Windows for gaming and working and Linux for watching porn (kinda afraid of viruses). Therefore, I see no reason why they should port SC2 to Linux. More People using Linux means more potential viruses on my harddisk.
just because *you* just use linux for watching porn doesn't mean that other people do, you know.
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On June 30 2012 03:26 Aim Here wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:02 buckKeefe wrote:
(PS i play on really low settings because i find it easier to see what's going on, if you care about like HDR bloom and shit then wine is probably not for you, i'd get <30FPS on ultra settings i think -- nvidia just doesn't care that much about their linux drivers i guess?) The framerate issue relates to a bug, probably in wine, where the GPU and CPU aren't being set to their maximum performance to cope with the fact that a big resource-hungry game like Starcraft 2 is running. It's not an Nvidia issue (it happens to the CPU and ATI cards too). I get a framerate boost by fiddling with cpufreq-set before running Starcraft (and switching it back afterwards), and if I could do something similar to my graphics card I would. This is the relevant wine bug, if you have gosu C coding skills, know your way around the Windows API and want to fix it and make Linux/Starcraft nerds happy.
Great info, thank you. That bug seems beyond the scope of my programming skills but I'm gonna try some of the cpufreq workarounds :D
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So, fellow TL forum goers, what's our conclusion? Do we want a Linux port? Or should we be kicked back to our boot screen to boot Windows?
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On June 30 2012 06:52 Amridell wrote:
So, fellow TL forum goers, what's our conclusion? Do we want a Linux port? Or should we be kicked back to our boot screen to boot Windows?
Kind of a silly question of course we want one but 100% we know blizzard isn't going to make one in the near future. I would volunteer my work for it (im a software developer who specializes in Linux) but im sure they wouldn't accept that either :D
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I'm actually surprised a game developing company would even bother to make their games compatible with OS X. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people who own macs own laptops. If you've ever though about buying an apple laptop, you'd know that it costs incredibly much more to add a graphics card--much more than, say, adding the same gpu on an asus laptop. It's hard playing without a gpu. I have an i5 laptop with integrated graphics, and I can't run sc2 smoothly on it even on the lowest setting. I have no doubt that there are more people running linux who actually have the decent hardware to run sc2. But who I am to say this..activision blizzard's a pretty greedy company and I doubt they'd let this slip without a good reason.
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This Linux–gaming scenario is a chicken-or-the-egg conundrum.
Game developers won't make games for Linux when there's such a low market for it, but gamers won't switch to (or even maybe dual boot for some) Linux because there's not too many games for it that run without significant bugs.
On June 30 2012 09:17 billy5000 wrote:
I'm actually surprised a game developing company would even bother to make their games compatible with OS X. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people who own macs own laptops.
That, plus the fact that most Mac users are computer noobs, and I don't think most computer noobs tend to play much computer games.
On June 30 2012 03:15 winthrop wrote:
starcraft 2 is a GUI game, how can linux user like it
WTF are you talking about?
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This thread has opened my eyes, as a long time Linux user and lover apparently everyone who doesn't understand Linux assumes that everyone who uses it is a neckbeard who only uses terminals for everything :-/ bizarre (though I do need to shave and I do love my terminals)
AFAIK later WoW expansions, SC2 and D3 all run on OSX using GLL which (like DirectX) does not run on Linux, however WoW has OpenGL support and it'd be easy to implement in the other games too. Plus future releases of DirectX are rumoured to be open source which changes everything.
There are a bunch of Linux users that don't add to the Linux gaming statistic because they're still tied to Windows for some reason (games and iTunes kept me up until early this year), I think everyone would be surprised at the adoption rates of a native Linux client.
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Blizzard's games have worked fine on wine on linux. There really isn't much reason for Blizzard to spend additional money into something that is not a problem in the first place.
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How is this going to do anything? Like, you just say "keep this thread alive"... Do you have any end goal, of course I'd love to play on Linux without bugs, but I also wish I was a millionare, that's why I dual boot windows/linux on different drives.
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On June 30 2012 10:10 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
How is this going to do anything? Like, you just say "keep this thread alive"... Do you have any end goal, of course I'd love to play on Linux without bugs, but I also wish I was a millionare, that's why I dual boot windows/linux on different drives.
I have an end, goal, which is to try to pressure Blizzard for a native Linux client. This thread is an attempt to get support for that end goal.
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On June 30 2012 10:04 EZjijy wrote:
Blizzard's games have worked fine on wine on linux. There really isn't much reason for Blizzard to spend additional money into something that is not a problem in the first place.
Nope
--anyone with an ATI card
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There is an answer option missing.
I'm a linux user and use it daily for all serious stuff.
Im using windows for gaming and im happy with windows7
I dont need a linux port
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On June 30 2012 12:43 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:04 EZjijy wrote:
Blizzard's games have worked fine on wine on linux. There really isn't much reason for Blizzard to spend additional money into something that is not a problem in the first place. Nope --anyone with an ATI card
Since they got bought out by AMD they have at improved their support of linux at least, nvidia on the other hand have only gone down which is sad :/
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Yes, I would actually love a working Linux port Wine is really not optimal for gaming.
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On July 06 2012 08:01 Vaftrudner wrote:Yes, I would actually love a working Linux port Wine is really not optimal for gaming.
Agreed. How could it be?
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I guess you mean GNU/Linux. Linux is just the kernel. .._..
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Yes please. Then I can finally play SC2 at work.
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On July 06 2012 08:15 Amridell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 08:01 Vaftrudner wrote:Yes, I would actually love a working Linux port Wine is really not optimal for gaming. Agreed. How could it be?
Well, it's one of the usual dismissive things I hear whenever I want a linux port of something - "Just go play it in Wine". As if that would ever be a good choice.
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If the question is "Do I want to play Starcraft on Linux?" or "Do I want more features, better stability and less bugs in Starcraft 2?", then I choose the latter one. Obviously these 2 are fighting against each other.
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I would switch completely to mint if they ported sc2 to linux/debian! >_< Wine is glitchy and gets lower framerates+ higher latnencies...
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I ran SC2 on my 3 year old laptop (sandy bridge i5 with integrated GPU) under whine and it worked surprisingly well actually, could even play multiplayer without much issues, except for the fact that I was playing on a 13" inch laptop with a shitty screen, a shitty keyboard and whatnot. Then again some drivers are really bad so I'm not sure how it works for AMD or Nvidia, I will try it with my desktop some day though.
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