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On June 29 2012 23:12 ZenithM wrote: There is so little to gain for Blizzard from porting on UNIX systems compared to the amount of work involved. Won't happen. All of Blizzard's main titles have native UNIX clients...what on earth do you think OSX is? Is there really that much of a Mac gaming market to cater to compared to the amount of work involved?
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Well, gotta save up to buy some more Windows. Linux users have plenty o' money to use on other things. :p
On June 29 2012 23:47 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 23:12 ZenithM wrote: There is so little to gain for Blizzard from porting on UNIX systems compared to the amount of work involved. Won't happen. All of Blizzard's main titles have native UNIX clients...what on earth do you think OSX is? Is there really that much of a Mac gaming market to cater to compared to the amount of work involved? I thought that OSX is more like POSIX-compliant rather than UNIX based. But well anyway, there are like 10 times more Mac users than Linux users.
Edit: Fun fact: they would probably implement an iOS version sooner than a Linux version ;D
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On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote: Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
I'd actually buy a separate linux-launcher on top of the game if it meant I didn't have to re-boot my machine to windows every time I want to play SC2.
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If Linux systems could run smoothly high-end games without work-around tricks there would be less Windows and Mac machines around the globe
I've Ubuntu 12.04 and W7 dual boot and the only reason I boot W7 is either to play or to code Windows-specific programs.
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On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote: Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they?
yeah, because "Linux people" can play without activating sc2 on their bnet account. oh wait
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I use Windows for gaming and working and Linux for watching porn (kinda afraid of viruses). Therefore, I see no reason why they should port SC2 to Linux. More People using Linux means more potential viruses on my harddisk.
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On June 29 2012 23:55 nayc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote: Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they? yeah, because "Linux people" can play without activating sc2 on their bnet account. oh wait
Pretty sure he's just saying that there aren't enough Linux users for this to be even remotely worth Blizzard's time spent paying employees.
They'd probably lose money doing a Linux-based SC2 release.
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On June 29 2012 22:33 Nokshalees wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 22:32 Fabozi wrote:On June 29 2012 22:24 Nokshalees wrote: Your linux box is not for gaming. Starcraft 2 is a proprietary software and do you even think blizzard would make their game open source?
If you're using GNU/Linux just to be hipster. then don't bother using it at all. Get your head of out you ass. Nobody needs the source code. They could just release unix version. On the other hand they will never do that but if the game uses open GL it can run on Linux pretty smoothly. Like I said linux IS not for gaming. actually linux is linux, neither for "not for gaming" nor "for gaming" (same with windows)
as for Mac/OSX:
it's a heaaaaaaaavily modded *BSD
also BSD != Linux
On June 30 2012 01:36 CapnAmerica wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2012 23:55 nayc wrote:On June 29 2012 18:04 CrtBalorda wrote: Linux people woudnt necessarly buy the game would they? yeah, because "Linux people" can play without activating sc2 on their bnet account. oh wait Pretty sure he's just saying that there aren't enough Linux users for this to be even remotely worth Blizzard's time spent paying employees. They'd probably lose money doing a Linux-based SC2 release. actually what he's implying is that linux based users apparently because they don't want to pay for an OS, wouldn't pay for _______ other software
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On June 30 2012 00:03 ProbeEtPylon wrote: I use Windows for gaming and working and Linux for watching porn (kinda afraid of viruses). Therefore, I see no reason why they should port SC2 to Linux. More People using Linux means more potential viruses on my harddisk.
LOL at least ur telling the truth LOL "linux for porn" HAHA ;]
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For people saying stuff about multi-distro support, can't most distros run .deb or .rpm packages? I remember using both with Sabayon whose native packages are ebuilds. I'm sure you'd need to get a package to get the proper support, but it's not like they're large or hard to use.
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starcraft2 has run beautifully under wine for me for the most part, it required almost no setup with wine+ubuntu. i have run into some of the sound bugs mentioned above, as well as a graphics bug a few months ago that made curved surfaces look straight (e.g. spine crawlers stood straight up), but if you find the right versions of wine+drivers for your set-up things tend to work just fine. i should note that my FPS is a lot lower than in windows (i.e. 60 rather than 160), but if i had a more badass gfx card that might be no big deal (currently using a GTX260, my friend with a 480 says he gets 100+ FPS in wine).
(PS i play on really low settings because i find it easier to see what's going on, if you care about like HDR bloom and shit then wine is probably not for you, i'd get <30FPS on ultra settings i think -- nvidia just doesn't care that much about their linux drivers i guess?)
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starcraft 2 is a GUI game, how can linux user like it
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On June 30 2012 03:02 buckKeefe wrote:
(PS i play on really low settings because i find it easier to see what's going on, if you care about like HDR bloom and shit then wine is probably not for you, i'd get <30FPS on ultra settings i think -- nvidia just doesn't care that much about their linux drivers i guess?)
The framerate issue relates to a bug, probably in wine, where the GPU and CPU aren't being set to their maximum performance to cope with the fact that a big resource-hungry game like Starcraft 2 is running. It's not an Nvidia issue (it happens to the CPU and ATI cards too). I get a framerate boost by fiddling with cpufreq-set before running Starcraft (and switching it back afterwards), and if I could do something similar to my graphics card I would.
This is the relevant wine bug, if you have gosu C coding skills, know your way around the Windows API and want to fix it and make Linux/Starcraft nerds happy.
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Tried to play WC3 under Linux, worked well, but it's not the same. OpenGL looks different, different fonts, random stuttering, worse performance, always the fear that some update (game or components) breaks something. SC2 depends so much on little details that I don't want to be bothered by that. Also would be forced to use shitty proprietary graphics card drivers. Thus I don't even try to use SC2 under Linux (don't want to install WINE anyway).
Wouldn't take much effort by Blizzard to make a Linux port, I think. They have an OpenGL renderer for the mac version. And the rest shouldn't be much work. It's just that they don't want to provide support for Linux (Troubleshooting etc.). I think in WoW Linux/WINE is tolerated (by making Warden aware of that) and that's about it what one can expect.
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On June 30 2012 00:03 ProbeEtPylon wrote: I use Windows for gaming and working and Linux for watching porn (kinda afraid of viruses). Therefore, I see no reason why they should port SC2 to Linux. More People using Linux means more potential viruses on my harddisk. just because *you* just use linux for watching porn doesn't mean that other people do, you know.
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On June 30 2012 03:26 Aim Here wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 03:02 buckKeefe wrote:
(PS i play on really low settings because i find it easier to see what's going on, if you care about like HDR bloom and shit then wine is probably not for you, i'd get <30FPS on ultra settings i think -- nvidia just doesn't care that much about their linux drivers i guess?) The framerate issue relates to a bug, probably in wine, where the GPU and CPU aren't being set to their maximum performance to cope with the fact that a big resource-hungry game like Starcraft 2 is running. It's not an Nvidia issue (it happens to the CPU and ATI cards too). I get a framerate boost by fiddling with cpufreq-set before running Starcraft (and switching it back afterwards), and if I could do something similar to my graphics card I would. This is the relevant wine bug, if you have gosu C coding skills, know your way around the Windows API and want to fix it and make Linux/Starcraft nerds happy.
Great info, thank you. That bug seems beyond the scope of my programming skills but I'm gonna try some of the cpufreq workarounds :D
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So, fellow TL forum goers, what's our conclusion? Do we want a Linux port? Or should we be kicked back to our boot screen to boot Windows?
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On June 30 2012 06:52 Amridell wrote: So, fellow TL forum goers, what's our conclusion? Do we want a Linux port? Or should we be kicked back to our boot screen to boot Windows?
Kind of a silly question of course we want one but 100% we know blizzard isn't going to make one in the near future. I would volunteer my work for it (im a software developer who specializes in Linux) but im sure they wouldn't accept that either :D
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I'm actually surprised a game developing company would even bother to make their games compatible with OS X. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people who own macs own laptops. If you've ever though about buying an apple laptop, you'd know that it costs incredibly much more to add a graphics card--much more than, say, adding the same gpu on an asus laptop. It's hard playing without a gpu. I have an i5 laptop with integrated graphics, and I can't run sc2 smoothly on it even on the lowest setting. I have no doubt that there are more people running linux who actually have the decent hardware to run sc2. But who I am to say this..activision blizzard's a pretty greedy company and I doubt they'd let this slip without a good reason.
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This Linux–gaming scenario is a chicken-or-the-egg conundrum.
Game developers won't make games for Linux when there's such a low market for it, but gamers won't switch to (or even maybe dual boot for some) Linux because there's not too many games for it that run without significant bugs.
On June 30 2012 09:17 billy5000 wrote: I'm actually surprised a game developing company would even bother to make their games compatible with OS X. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most people who own macs own laptops. That, plus the fact that most Mac users are computer noobs, and I don't think most computer noobs tend to play much computer games.
On June 30 2012 03:15 winthrop wrote: starcraft 2 is a GUI game, how can linux user like it WTF are you talking about?
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