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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 07:14:42
June 19 2012 07:10 GMT
#101
On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH

gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.


It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8263 Posts
June 19 2012 07:19 GMT
#102
On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH

gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.


It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.



Hence, it was a poorly scheduled tournament when they were both together. His point is valid
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
June 19 2012 07:31 GMT
#103
On June 19 2012 16:19 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:
On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH

gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.


It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.



Hence, it was a poorly scheduled tournament when they were both together. His point is valid


it was a poor schedule, Because WCS was there. IMO either have WCS online only or participate in only 1 tournamet. MLG tournaments are already on tight schedules, Having WCS making it tighter than it already is for the players is terrible.
KunA
Profile Joined September 2011
United States46 Posts
June 19 2012 07:35 GMT
#104
Its definitely not right to punish the players for their poor choice of putting both events at the same time. Yeah I get the players complained and now yeah they won't complain aobut playing in two tournaments, now they'll complain of being barred from playing in both and getting prize money for both if they are good enough. Also people who would wanna see IdrA, HuK, and NonY play at MLG.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
June 19 2012 07:56 GMT
#105
Uh, that's absurd. WTF.
Secret05
Profile Joined August 2010
United States342 Posts
June 19 2012 07:59 GMT
#106
On June 19 2012 16:31 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 16:19 TheDougler wrote:
On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:
On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH

gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.


It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.



Hence, it was a poorly scheduled tournament when they were both together. His point is valid


it was a poor schedule, Because WCS was there. IMO either have WCS online only or participate in only 1 tournamet. MLG tournaments are already on tight schedules, Having WCS making it tighter than it already is for the players is terrible.


I guess I didn't realize that the people that played in the WCS and MLG tournament at Anaheim had a really difficult time with scheduling and what not. It seems like they'd somehow be able to figure out a way to schedule things accordingly so that it wouldn't be all that hectic.
Michigan Zerg Player
zerger420
Profile Joined April 2012
30 Posts
June 19 2012 08:12 GMT
#107
Do you think this is a move by MLG to slowly shift towards LoL as their premiere game?

At MLG Anaheim the LoL players were treated horribly from what I understand. This will most likely improve dramatically and garner a lot more community support during Raleigh.

Meanwhile they decide to take a shit on NA players by pulling this move.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
June 19 2012 08:46 GMT
#108
On June 19 2012 17:12 zerger420 wrote:
Do you think this is a move by MLG to slowly shift towards LoL as their premiere game?

At MLG Anaheim the LoL players were treated horribly from what I understand. This will most likely improve dramatically and garner a lot more community support during Raleigh.

Meanwhile they decide to take a shit on NA players by pulling this move.

ummm no. One, they are too big of partners with Blizzard. Two, you don't make an exclusive deal with Kespa to put Flas on a side stage. Three, no reason to take SC2 off the main stage. The crowds are still huge. Halo lost it because they weren't drawing the crowds like they used to. Thats not happening to sc2.

This is MLG trying to fix the problem from Anaheim. While it technically fixes it, it creates a larger problem, keeping the top NA players out of your event.
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FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
June 19 2012 09:19 GMT
#109
I think that MLG has absolutely no other options, they need to do the WCS during the MLG event (whatever reason it is, probably financial reasons or contractual reasons), people complain about the fact that's impossible to do both events ( Idra blog, SirScoots LO3 and so on). So they either do it like last time and allow people to play both will all the complaint it imply, or they do it this way.
YoloStar <3
Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
June 19 2012 09:27 GMT
#110
So, there are 16 best USA players from USA WCS prelims, and MLG not just banned them from MLG Raleigh, but from all summer MLG events?

Well done.
More GGs, more skill
MVega
Profile Joined November 2010
763 Posts
June 19 2012 10:28 GMT
#111
On June 19 2012 17:46 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 17:12 zerger420 wrote:
Do you think this is a move by MLG to slowly shift towards LoL as their premiere game?

At MLG Anaheim the LoL players were treated horribly from what I understand. This will most likely improve dramatically and garner a lot more community support during Raleigh.

Meanwhile they decide to take a shit on NA players by pulling this move.

ummm no. One, they are too big of partners with Blizzard. Two, you don't make an exclusive deal with Kespa to put Flas on a side stage. Three, no reason to take SC2 off the main stage. The crowds are still huge. Halo lost it because they weren't drawing the crowds like they used to. Thats not happening to sc2.

This is MLG trying to fix the problem from Anaheim. While it technically fixes it, it creates a larger problem, keeping the top NA players out of your event.


This is a good point. LoL isn't going to become their premiere game. The SC2 community seems to have low self-esteem and worries that the LoL community is going to surpass it, but the LoL community in general begrudges SC2 for being more successful than LoL and they want what SC2 has. More successful in every way other than viewership numbers, I mean. We say LoL has better crowds, LoL community says SC2 has far and away a better crowd consistently.

I don't know that it creates a larger problem, but while trying to sidestep one problem they definitely walked right into another one. I don't know, I'd have to have more information on how they reached this decision but I know scheduling can be a nightmare and maybe this really was their best option. :/
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
June 19 2012 10:32 GMT
#112
On June 19 2012 16:10 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 16:02 Boomy123 wrote:
Can't figure out how to properly schedule the tournaments?
BETTER JUST BAN EVERYONE FROM PLAYING IN BOTH

gj MLG. Obviously the best solution instead of taking an hour to properly schedule the events.


It seems you don't know what happened to the players who tried to play in both, Look back at what happened at Anaheim.


Why not schedule WCS for sunday, when all the Americans will be knocked out, anyways?
Thank God and gunrun.
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
June 19 2012 10:37 GMT
#113
Well NA players can then easily play in the FXOpen NA qualifier on the 23rd instead of having to choose between FXO and MLG :D

Least one good thing huh.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
June 19 2012 11:38 GMT
#114
This all sounds like a major clusterfuck
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
June 19 2012 12:08 GMT
#115
Nice fix, I see MLG thought this one through. Well they can always apologize after the fact again.
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
dune_
Profile Joined August 2011
3 Posts
June 19 2012 12:29 GMT
#116
( sorry for my English not a native)
The appropriate solution is quite obvious and I don't understand why nobody mentioned it. Do the WCS on the Thursday (and Friday day til 5.30 when mlg starts). Ahhhh but that costs money. 

In the end Blizzard can pay for the extra day of renting for the venue.
This is the only positive responsible thing to do: to add more time. Of course they didn't come up with that solution. It costs more. But it would be the right thing to do if you are actually concerned with growing esports and more specifically to help develop the north American scene.

If you claim to be the biggest, most professional league in the world outside of Kespa then act like it. Mlg wanted that wcs. It gives mlg importance on the scene (or doesnt give something to another league) and it was good to impress Kespa in Anaheim with more people and blizzard being involved. They are not ready to deal with the consequences of that deal and still maintain a good level of execution. From what I have seen recently, it's not surprising at all. Doing wcs was a business and PR decision not a sports decision to grow the NA scene.

Someone said that he is confused that mlg takes one step forward two backwards. It is because their actions don't reflect their PR. Classic. They say one thing, to look good, but behave in ways that contradict the nice PR statements about their mission goals in the scene.
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice....shame on me.
We should have enough info by now to start being very careful about MLG's plans in general.
There is probably still time to re balance things out but it would require to delay gratification and choose a more difficult and long path. The reward would be huge but depends on our priorities.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 19 2012 12:36 GMT
#117
when does the summer pass go on sale?
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 19 2012 14:26 GMT
#118
Haha, this is pretty silly. I'm sure that, while everyone complained about it, everyone would rather grit their teeth and do two tournaments at once instead of just one. But it seems a little silly that there was absolutely no room to hold a separate event.
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Mairu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States222 Posts
June 19 2012 14:43 GMT
#119
It's unfortunate that all the other WCS events seem to be independent small events that aren't shoehorned on top of another big events. Blizzard clearly made a mistake choosing MLG as their partner for USA & North America. I don't quite understand why MLG would want to punish North American players and their solution to the complaints from Anaheim seems very poorly thought out.

As Primadog said, even scheduling the WCS for Sunday, when there's not that many players left in the Championship, would have been a much better choice. Ideally, these events would not have to coincide at all, like what I can see from other countries' WCS events, but I guess that's the solution when the tournament partner is unwilling or unable to actually run additional events.
mockturtle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-19 15:05:44
June 19 2012 15:05 GMT
#120
Think about it guys, this really is the next rational step.

MLG has already methodically embarrassed all North American players on the world stage and then handicapped them in all future tournaments so none can even be successful by fluke. We measure a North American player's success by if they can make the Top 32. There's really nothing else left for them to do but just ban them from playing completely.
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