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Glockateer
Profile Joined June 2009
United States254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 22:09:41
June 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#561
Terran has no strengths anymore. Everything they do can be done better by P or Z. Range? Nope. Splash? Super nope. Map control? Nope.

TvZ is already terribly zerg favored after the queen buff...

If HotS gets released like this then T goes extinct like it already has been going towards every patch.

User was warned for this post
GET SM4SHED
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 22:10:01
June 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#562
Dont know what could be worse; being in an iraqi tank in the gulf war or a siege tank in hots. We will see how this works out, these mines however dont seem to make sense at all.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#563
I find it funny though that the Zerg in that game could have gone good ol' mass roaches and it probably would have killed Protoss just the same.
Never doubt roaches.
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
June 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#564
Why are people acting like vipers are going to destroy tanks in the matchup? It's a 200 gas unit that takes up a ton of supply, you're not going to make one viper for every tank or you'll have like 20 zerglings as the rest of your army. A lot of terran armies will have up to around 10 tanks, maybe three will get hooked out by a unit that costs more than the tank does in the first place.
Fluid
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada136 Posts
June 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#565
On June 09 2012 07:02 Grapefruit wrote:
3 base Toss loses bases left and right and kills a 5 base HotS tech Zerg with pure WoL units.


I wouldn't judge balance of hots on that game, the players were both terrible.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
June 08 2012 22:10 GMT
#566
On June 09 2012 07:08 WickedBit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 07:03 maartendq wrote:
Just watched the (obviously staged) Battlereport. There are more things I don't like than there are things I do like.

Oracle: it's way, but really way too easy to block mining for an indefinite period of time. It just needs to go. Period.
Mothership core: I've got a feeling it'll be pretty much impossible now to actually attack a natural expansion in the early game. Base trading seems to be impossible as well if Protoss can instantly recall its whole army back home. It's basically like having a planetary fortress, but cheaper and more useful.
Tempest: It's a powerful but really expensive unit. 22 range is kind of ridiculous though. Just imagine a couple of those hanging back behind a deathball. They make siege tanks even more obsolete than they already were in TvP.

Hydra: I like the speed off-creep. Makes them actually useful now.
Viper: Byebye siege tank lines.
Ultralisk: That charge seems really powerful.
Swarm host: they seem lame and kind of useless. Siege tanks or just MMM will clean those up without much trouble and stalkers just blink on top of them. They're not nearly as threatening as they BW unit they try to emulate.


Day 9 mentioned that vipers are very expensive at 200gas a pop. Thats more expensive than a templar. And all terran needs are a couple of ghosts to nullify them completely. Similarly protoss can just feedback them. So its not as big a deal as it seems.
Swarm hosts did seem a bit underwhelming. They may need to be buffed a bit.


EMP'ing air units is kind of funky though unless you mean sniping them.
DNA61289
Profile Joined August 2010
United States665 Posts
June 08 2012 22:11 GMT
#567
My god the OP complaints are gettting really annoying, it's not even in beta yet.
But yeah being a Korean gamer is very imba. If you're a non-korean gamer you have to balance your game playing with earning money and your real life. If you're Korean you just sit around playing games all day eating 2 cent ramyun and becoming gosu.
Tippecanoe
Profile Joined May 2011
United States342 Posts
June 08 2012 22:12 GMT
#568
On June 09 2012 07:09 4Servy wrote:
Dont know what could be worse; being in an iraqi tank in the gulf war or a siege tank in hots. We will see how this works out, these mines however dont seem to make sense at all.


Probably a siege tank, because they can at least get off one shot before they die.
AwfulPlayer
Profile Joined August 2010
249 Posts
June 08 2012 22:12 GMT
#569
On June 09 2012 07:04 zezamer wrote:
Tank medivac micro to counter tempest

unless tanks can now shoot air or medivac can deathray-antiheal, i dont see how you would counter the tempest with that. gl with the micro tho
iMonAhorsE
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany275 Posts
June 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#570
the viper just seems completely unnecessary...
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
June 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#571
On June 09 2012 07:09 ZenithM wrote:
I find it funny though that the Zerg in that game could have gone good ol' mass roaches and it probably would have killed Protoss just the same.
Never doubt roaches.


Maybe the Mothership Cannon is good at defending vs Roaches? So many questions.
MMA: The true King of Wings
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
June 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#572
Twitter: Khaldor: Since I was asked: Warhounds don't have anti_air anymore
Twitter: Khaldor: Widow Mines are 75/25 and available at the factory right away. Also benefit from a reactor

: ) Fun times.
Geos13
Profile Joined May 2011
437 Posts
June 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#573
On June 09 2012 07:03 maartendq wrote:
Just watched the (obviously staged) Battlereport. There are more things I don't like than there are things I do like.

Oracle: it's way, but really way too easy to block mining for an indefinite period of time. It just needs to go. Period.
Mothership core: I've got a feeling it'll be pretty much impossible now to actually attack a natural expansion in the early game. Base trading seems to be impossible as well if Protoss can instantly recall its whole army back home. It's basically like having a planetary fortress, but cheaper and more useful.
Tempest: It's a powerful but really expensive unit. 22 range is kind of ridiculous though. Just imagine a couple of those hanging back behind a deathball. They make siege tanks even more obsolete than they already were in TvP.

Hydra: I like the speed off-creep. Makes them actually useful now.
Viper: Byebye siege tank lines.
Ultralisk: That charge seems really powerful.
Swarm host: they seem lame and kind of useless. Siege tanks or just MMM will clean those up without much trouble and stalkers just blink on top of them. They're not nearly as threatening as they BW unit they try to emulate.

Oh, and by the way, why does Blizzard hate the Siege Tank so much? If you're making them so easy to pick off, you may as well give them their pre-nerf damage back.


The oracle was effective because it kept entombing the same base over and over that the zerg didn't bother to place any defense at. A couple of spines and it wouldn't have worked nearly as well. The zerg could have just sent his corruptors to the space it was hiding and shut it down. In general both players were pretty bad.

Swarm host seemed great. It just needs support like a good siege unit should. Did you see how wary the protoss was of engaging into the Hydra/host army? He seemed pretty scared.

I think the tempest should be fine against Zerg as while it has great range it has a relatively weak attack for such an expensive unit. I agree it will make tanks even worse though and that sucks.

Yeah mothership core seems like it might be to strong. It looks like so much fun I hope they manage to keep it.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#574
On June 09 2012 07:11 DNA61289 wrote:
My god the OP complaints are gettting really annoying, it's not even in beta yet.


That's completely irrelevant. The game doesn't look balanced CURRENTLY, it doesn't matter what phase of the game its in regardless of whatever phase it is in.
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 22:15:24
June 08 2012 22:13 GMT
#575
Poor terran, viper dark swarm nerf makes it pretty worthless. Also swarm host seems bad
vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
June 08 2012 22:14 GMT
#576
So how many units can use forcefield now? I hope Bisu is noting this
Kernkraft
Profile Joined April 2011
93 Posts
June 08 2012 22:14 GMT
#577
hydras need stimpack
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
June 08 2012 22:15 GMT
#578
Abduct is way too OP. That shit is ridiculous.
Hello
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 08 2012 22:15 GMT
#579
On June 09 2012 07:13 Neelia wrote:
Twitter: Khaldor: Since I was asked: Warhounds don't have anti_air anymore
Twitter: Khaldor: Widow Mines are 75/25 and available at the factory right away. Also benefit from a reactor

: ) Fun times.

wtf, only widow mines are mech anti air now? WTFF Blizzard, I stay positive, but WTF.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
June 08 2012 22:15 GMT
#580
All these terrans whining is making me embarrassed to play the race.

Its not even at beta stage, can you wait for a while longer before you burst into tears?
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