[?] Spades hacking? - Page 9

On June 05 2012 04:55 Terminal wrote:

When the fuck did Dimaga hack?

On June 05 2012 04:54 Nerchio wrote:
I watched the replays more carefully and it looks like a lot of points that OP makes are false, for example 4 scv's at shakuras plateau, he took them after he saw marine in his natural. Also a lot of movement on Tal'darim looks like standard mech play with taking good spots for tanks. Other than that we should assume that Spades is not the best player so moving your army without care isn't anything special. He can also use mini-map to send his scouting worker, i do that sometimes as well. In the end i don't really think it's cheating there is a lot of points that are not true and the rest we can include into luck which happens quite often in SC2.

On June 05 2012 04:54 Pantythief wrote:


To be honest, no.

QuanticIllusion wrote:
Addition to the OP, looked through a little bit more and confirmed OP's statements and made notes where OP could be wrong. Either way it is really fishy play and he is either stream cheating or map hacking, more likely map hacking because he is reacting way too fast for it to be a stream cheat.


Game 1: Antiga
All of OP's statements true
11:02 camera block - is that sharp jump after the block usual? seems really fast compared to normal screen save/basecam

Game 2: ETBD Valley

Not looking at the base after scouting it is really weird..
7:47 push - doesn't even see bunker before pushing, no scans + perfect range
13:42 - agreed, I would always send 5 marines or so right away or scan to make sure im not in danger.
16:40 - blind 3 medi drop, doesnt scan to see if there are turrets or anything, possibly just really bad play

Game 3: Shak

3:55 common if you go CC first and you are being worker harrassed, interesting he didn't scout at all though..
5:08 Rax 2 + 3rd CC is not in his map vision, only on minimap, most players look around with their camera.. not just their minimap when they scan

IMPORTANT:He scans the correct base without having scouted the other one

Summary: He plays really blind rest of the game, really bad as well, moving armies into spots he doesnt have vision of + never scans after first one. TvT positional warfare requires scans or well placed units around the map, he does not have either. He never goes for any blind 3 medivac drops this game - there are turrets for lucifron he didn't scout.

Game 4: Meta

Everything true, really suspicous at 7:30 where he moves his army towards the hellions without seeing, despite the fact he was moving back and forth in same place 10 seconds ago.

Game 5: TDA

10:50 kind of suspicious but he saw it on the minimap and he already has his hellions hotkeyed - not too important
12:30 he's moving his army + setting rallys over there, not suspicious
17:00 absolutely no reason to keep your viking at your natural once you see medivac + bio going for a doom drop towards your main..
18:20 zero useful map vision at the point, unsieges tanks randomly and then moves to 3rd to kill luci army
19:00: moves back to natural, leaves 0 units behind to defend 3rd even after he realized that he didnt kill the whole drop, then sieges to defend natural + 3rd
21:10 moves his viking before he sees the medivacs on the minimap, moves few tanks + all vikings - not too suspicious but the suspicious part is that he still has 0 map vision, and decides to not defend his natural - no units from luci in sight
-- Stopped watching because it's getting too obvious, wasting my time
Quick Notes: For most of the game he has 0 map vision from lucifron's path of attack to spade's bases. He has a rax on the left for drops + top xel naga but not the xel naga connecting both bases together. Also made 0 turrets to defend his main on the back side, just the top

GaME 6: Daybreak

4:30 this is a really dumb move or he is cheating- he would be dead in minutes if lucifron was doing any other build.

16:00 decides to kill rocks, then sees free medivacs at the lower base and goes down there instead
16:05 looks back at his main - camera block - I noticed this many times-- he always looks at his factorys + starport whenever his army is moving to a good place, in this situation- lucifrons medivacs
16:45 he does it again, same spot
One could say he is doing it to make tanks, viking, medivacs etc. notice how he never goes back to his barracks to make units, always looking somewhere else. There is also no reason to look back at your factories and starport, both factories have tech labs and he only has one reactor starport. This occurs many times later but I stopped writing times here.
From here on, he has whole map control so nothing really matters, even though there are a few more camera blocks here and there.

Game 7: Shattered Temple

6:00 Remember game 2 and 4? Spades went for a viking to prevent uncloacked banshees or drop. This time, however, he makes raven-viking without having scanned and thus, not (supposedly) knowing LucifroN is going cloack banshee.

7:20 He moves his marines and his raven to the location where LucifroN's banshee is going (He doesn't even know LucifroN is going banshees). + rallys starport over there

14:30 Sieges tank on high ground out of other tank range + good position to defend, moves marines in main away from range of siege tank (it was in range before he moved it) He goes to his natural entry with almost all his army to get a good position to fight against LucifroN forces (which he hasn't seen yet).

16:55 Instead of leaving some tanks on his main, fearing another attack from LucifroN on that spot he sends all of his army next to the golden, right where LucifroN is going, and suddently unsieges to reposition his tanks to the right, where LucifroN is moving.
Note: 0 map vision

I wish there were more different spawns, antiga is 2 - shattered he got close air, entombed he got close vertical etc. Only games where it was suspicious was Tal darim - he got first scout and Shakuras he scanned the main before even seeing where he spawned. I looked through the replays in depth, not super closely but close enough to look at all the times stated in the OP

Hello, I decided to watch these games with the intention of finding one non-circumstantial piece of evidence to show if map hacks were being used in order to try and bring some certainty to this situation, as no matter how much circumstantial evidence there is, one cannot use it to convict someone comfortably. I believe I have found some non-circumstantial proof when watching the first replay.

To see this in the replay most clearly, slow the speed right down.

When a terran places a scan using the minimap it will take his camera instanylu to that position with the scan circle centred on the screen.

At 6:23 of game 1 on Antigua Shipyard, when Spades scans Lucifron's base his camera jumps to where the scan is, but the scan is off-center but to the top part of the screen. The only way this is possible is if he was already looking at this area and placed the scan manually not using the mini map and did not click the center of the screen. The only way this was possible is if the screen was locked on his base while he was looking at the fog. You can see in the replay that the screen moved instantly when he scanned to the off center position from his main.

For completeness, at 13:16 in the same game is an example of Lucifron scanning the center of the map using the mini-map. His screen jumps straight to the scan and the scan is exactly central to the screen (where he clicked on the mini-map).

I believe this shows conculsive proof that Spades' screen was locked while viewing Lucifron's base and was therefore using a maphack.

On June 05 2012 06:03 rANDY wrote:
This is the PM I sent to Antoine regarding this situation:

On June 05 2012 06:03 rANDY wrote:
This is the PM I sent to Antoine regarding this situation:

On June 05 2012 06:06 Spades wrote:
I'm not going to read into this because it makes no sense, I think alot of this says i look at there base before scanning or something? Watch vods of my stream, i always look at fog, then scan immediately afterwards. I think this is s tupid people are calling me a hacker to discredit my "close defeat" in a showmatch. Just because my history people find things to discredit me. Pretty pathetic.

I could go case by case defending myself, but this is just sad.

On June 05 2012 06:03 rANDY wrote:
This is the PM I sent to Antoine regarding this situation: