EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 10
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
QuanticIllusion wrote: Game 1: Antiga All of OP's statements true I havent watched all the replays, but this isnt really true. At 9:11 when the OP says Spades is "camera blocking" he is actually issuing scv commands. After the banshee harass he didnt have enough scvs in gas and so on. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:06 Spades wrote: I'm not going to read into this because it makes no sense, I think alot of this says i look at there base before scanning or something? Watch vods of my stream, i always look at fog, then scan immediately afterwards. I think this is s tupid people are calling me a hacker to discredit my "close defeat" in a showmatch. Just because my history people find things to discredit me. Pretty pathetic. What is being said is that when you scanned, your screen jumped to the scan position as if you'd scanned using the minimap. However, when this occurs in a regular game, the scan is centered on the screen, much like if you click regularly on the minimap it centers your screen on the point you clicked. Since the scan was off center, it leads people to believe that you were already looking at the fog and your screen was locked onto your base, but once the scan went down, the area counted as being in your vision and hence the maphacking client allowed it to be captured as your vision by the game. This would imply that you were using some sort of third party program which locks your screen on your base when you look into the fog i.e. a maphack. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I'm no hack expert so I will leave this to those that are but you need to know.. it isn't just a few people that have felt odd about your online game play. ddddddd If you aren't hacking this is unfortunate but the sins of hacking (even in the past) will always impact you. If you are hacking it's pretty over... | ||
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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:10 PassiveAce wrote: We need more very high level players analyzing these replays. thats quite a contribution from illusion, I hope some others post their thoughts as well. High level T would be nice. They can explain good/bad/dumb or hacking. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
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rANDY
United Kingdom748 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:08 babylon wrote: I don't understand the point you are making. You say that "the only way this is possible is if he was already looking at this area and placed the scan manually not using the mini map and did not click the center of the screen." Which ... is possible without having a camera lock, isn't it? Just as you say, he could just be staring at the fog and manually placing a scan that ended up off-centered. For the record, Illusion's analysis does sound pretty damning though. When his screen moved to Lucifron's base, the scanning circle was already there indicating it was either done by minimap or by his screen already being their but locked, but since it was off center, it was not done by minimap. | ||
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:09 iNcontroL wrote: tbh spades you do play super fishy >_< I played that game recently against you and said basically "wtf this is very hackish" and you said "I play you on my smurf a lot and knew you'd do that" which is USUALLY the #1 "I hack and this is how I will defend myself ambiguously" statement. I'm no hack expert so I will leave this to those that are but you need to know.. it isn't just a few people that have felt odd about your online game play. ddddddd If you aren't hacking this is unfortunate but the sins of hacking (even in the past) will always impact you. If you are hacking it's pretty over... I´ve seen a lot of games lately from Spades, and have to agree with iNcontroL. There are so many fishy moments, I like you Spades, but, it´s very weird your lately style of play. | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:03 rANDY wrote: This is the PM I sent to Antoine regarding this situation: That's a really in depth analysis o.O | ||
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Taktik
Poland680 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
And it should be pretty easy to test as well.... | ||
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:09 iNcontroL wrote: tbh spades you do play super fishy >_< I played that game recently against you and said basically "wtf this is very hackish" and you said "I play you on my smurf a lot and knew you'd do that" which is USUALLY the #1 "I hack and this is how I will defend myself ambiguously" statement. I'm no hack expert so I will leave this to those that are but you need to know.. it isn't just a few people that have felt odd about your online game play. ddddddd If you aren't hacking this is unfortunate but the sins of hacking (even in the past) will always impact you. If you are hacking it's pretty over... 90% of the day i believe people are hacking against me on ladder. Big name players as well. Everyone is just hack crazy now. I stream 90% of my games. I didn't hack in this series, I haven't hacked in SC2. If you want to find things that look suspicious, It's easy. Not one person here can "prove" i hacked, because i didn't. And now my sc2 image is destroyed. So I'm thankful for that. Guess it's time to retire after Anaheim. | ||
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Seluance
14 Posts
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:12 cArn- wrote: if he was hacking why did he lose to drops meching vs bio ? don't be ridiculous. lol, yeah lucifron only snuck in like 10 drops against me in 1 game. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:12 rANDY wrote: When his screen moved to Lucifron's base, the scanning circle was already there indicating it was either done by minimap or by his screen already being their but locked, but since it was off center, it was not done by minimap. Ahhh, I see, I see. I thought the scanning circle hadn't been there already (and can't check since my comp. can't run SC2 atm), so I was very confused, but that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. | ||
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tribulator
774 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:14 Spades wrote: 90% of the day i believe people are hacking against me on ladder. Big name players as well. Everyone is just hack crazy now. I stream 90% of my games. I didn't hack in this series, I haven't hacked in SC2. If you want to find things that look suspicious, It's easy. Not one person here can "prove" i hacked, because i didn't. And now my sc2 image is destroyed. So I'm thankful for that. Guess it's time to retire after Anaheim. Well, why not attempt to salvage everything by taking the time of going over the points listed by the OP and illusion, providing your side of the decision making? The "I could go case by case defending myself, but this is just sad." attitude is suspicious among itself. | ||
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