EPThttp://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380
18:45
Zack Allen (HRGzack)
Hmm, real ID friends with a proven hacker.
[?] Spades hacking? - Page 265
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380 18:45 Zack Allen (HRGzack) Hmm, real ID friends with a proven hacker. | ||
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mcleod
Canada350 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380 At around 9:58, u see a notice on the left " HRGZack" has come online From just watching this most recent VOD of him streaming, you'll realize how terrible he is and how big of a joke it is that he made it to GM #1 with better win ratio than most top terrans. | ||
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Greenwizard
48 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:04 StarStrider wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380 18:45 Zack Allen (HRGzack) Hmm, real ID friends with a proven hacker. really funny you point out something like that considering the fact A LOT of people that posted here know a lot about hacks or know hackers... they must hack ... Please watch his gameplay that's where you see paterns and you can decide with 100% if he hacks or not. | ||
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toiletCAT
Qatar284 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:04 StarStrider wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380 18:45 Zack Allen (HRGzack) Hmm, real ID friends with a proven hacker. How acquaint. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:08 mcleod wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380 At around 9:58, u see a notice on the left " HRGZack" has come online From just watching this most recent VOD of him streaming, you'll realize how terrible he is and how big of a joke it is that he made it to GM #1 with better win ratio than most top terrans. I totally agree. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and started watching his stream from yesterday that he told me about. So far I am completely unimpressed and suspicious. A better winrate than the devil Terran Demuslim and the Terran prince Select with this gameplay and decision making? I'm not that dumb. He plays like me. He makes stupid decisions like me. He does useless things like me. That's a huge insult to him, since I'm a shitty low mid masters Terran. It definitely does not feel like I'm watching play that could reach Rank 1 GM. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
I fucking hope my bnet account doesn't get banned for this lol. Other than setting a hotkey for camera lock, the only other variable I found in the configuration file was ; Enable the use of middle mouse button for camera lock. ; 0 = Disable, 1 = Enable. ; 用鼠标中键锁定视角，０关闭，１开启 Mouse_Camera_Lock=0 If the mouse camear lock is set to 0, there is another setting which controls the hotkey for which keyboard button activates camera lock. By default this is F9. The Mouse Camera Lock button is the middle mouse button. Key note - it appears that camera lock has to be activated. There is no passive "avoid the fog of war" option. Run #1 - Mouse Camera Lock Activated
Run #2 - Mouse Camera Lock Deactivated, not using Keyboard Camera Lock
Run #3 - Mouse Camera Lock Deactivated, using Keyboard Camera Lock
My conclusion is that Spades either was not using this very popular maphack or he was not Camera Lock hacking. If you have any suggestions for further testing tell me and I'll try it out, but I now think that Spades did not utilise a camera hack, unless he's using some private one. Btw, it appears that the private version of the hack that person wrote basically is the same as the public version at the moment, due to lax policing by Blizzard, so the behavior is probably not different between the two with regards to this. In no way am I trying to make any statements concerning any other form of hacking. I am only saying that a camera lock hack appears to be less likely, or that he is using a less well known hack edit - A post did come up showing that he is friends with HRGZack, a known hacker, so perhaps he may have a different hack, who knows. edit2 - All tests were run on MLG Antiga Shipyard, if that even matters. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:04 StarStrider wrote: http://www.twitch.tv/kingspades/b/320501380 18:45 Zack Allen (HRGzack) Hmm, real ID friends with a proven hacker. Lol now that's interesting hahaha | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
On June 07 2012 07:56 StarStrider wrote: Here is the one I did on Game 1 of Theognis vs Spades in IPL5. Remember I asked if I could do it in your style? Don't know if you ever got to see it in the wall of posts that followed.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342248¤tpage=215#4295 Yeah I did see your post. I kept reading though and saw someone replying with his opinion on your points, with pictures and everything. I think he had some good points, and the pictures made it pretty obvious that Spades was going to make those moves just the way he did, before seeing the bio units approach the cliff. The position wasn't a lot better, but it was better. I can't remember his reasoning for not leap-frogging the tanks though... I still think that would've been a better choice, but what he said about it wasn't complete nonsense. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
Yeah, I also want to see a time stamp... | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:19 carloselcoco wrote: Yeah, I also want to see a time stamp... 3 posts above yours, 18:45ish | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
At this point there's nothing he can do to prove he's innocent, there's no way all the people poking with their pitchforks now to be convinced that he did nothing wrong. So he can wait till it's forgotten or until someone bored enough gets a real idea an proves he did something impossible (not improbable, that's useless, playing Diablo III can show you the difference between those) therefore he did hack. Till then it's fun watching the creature grow, evolve, change to feed more and more. Actual real life mob mentality without needing a visit to the hospital afterwards. | ||
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StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:18 Bogeyman wrote: Yeah I did see your post. I kept reading though and saw someone replying with his opinion on your points, with pictures and everything. I think he had some good points, and the pictures made it pretty obvious that Spades was going to make those moves just the way he did, before seeing the bio units approach the cliff. The position wasn't a lot better, but it was better. I can't remember his reasoning for not leap-frogging the tanks though... I still think that would've been a better choice, but what he said about it wasn't complete nonsense. You're right that it wasn't nonsense. He said that in order to move the other, it would have to go around the one that was sieged, causing it to go in range of the cliff, and he had just lost a tank to the cliff 2 minutes earlier. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On June 07 2012 07:56 StarStrider wrote: Here is the one I did on Game 1 of Theognis vs Spades in IPL5. Remember I asked if I could do it in your style? Don't know if you ever got to see it in the wall of posts that followed.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342248¤tpage=215#4295 And here are the counterarguments: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14960769 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14961549 tl;dr, before moving the tanks an inch he moves his marines an inch. I am not saying the maphack version of events is incorrect or illogical but personally I find the 'intended only a slight reposition from the start' to be just as viable. | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:27 Starshaped wrote: Nah, anyone half-decent at the game can tell the Cloud Kingdom moment is pure filthy hacking. How about giving some actual evidence or arguments, your post is just pointless slander. | ||
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:28 Cokefreak wrote: How about giving some actual evidence or arguments, your post is just pointless slander. To be fair the gameplay itself is realllllly fucking suspicious. But I'll leave the analysis to people who are much better at me at TvT. | ||
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dvorakftw
681 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:18 Bogeyman wrote: I can't remember his reasoning for not leap-frogging the tanks though... Short version, moving around the still sieged tank could put them in range of attack from the ledge. I personally never like to see all tanks unsieging at the same time but if you are planning to resiege a split second later the window of opportunity you give the opponent is already so small why not go for the quicker select all command? | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On June 07 2012 08:28 Cokefreak wrote: How about giving some actual evidence or arguments, your post is just pointless slander. I've done that in several posts in this thread already. Just check my post history in this thread and you'll see. | ||
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psychotics
United States184 Posts
I honestly at this point dont care if spades is or isnt it seems like half the pros are convinced he is and half convinced he isnt. In american law system to be guilty the accuser must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty, the fact that their are pros that are saying they dont see him hacking tells me that there isnt enough proof to prove spades guilty. Shout out to spades on this one never really been a huge fan of yours but ill stand behind you on this one hope u show up to MLG and just blow the fucking pants off everyone and take the whole thing and ill be cheering for you the whole time. seriously disappointed in how the community has treated you with this matter hopefully you wont disappear and can show us some amazing games in the future PS if you were hacking the that showmatch you are iether brilliant at hiding it or completely retarded seeing as u lost the series i mean honestly why even bother hacking just to lose, seriously people he is hacking and loses? give me a break. | ||
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