[?] Spades hacking? - Page 108

On June 05 2012 14:07 Positronic wrote:
Lastshadow vs Spades Showmatch thread closed, that would have been a very interesting match to observe.

On June 05 2012 14:07 Gheed wrote:


I think the OP should have forwarded his concerns to the teams or the players and the organizers of the tournament. Perhaps tried to speak with other pro gamers. Did SOMETHING other than post this publicly for every idiot to comment on. Maybe if that doesn't get him anywhere, then post it publicly. Deep Throat didn't just go on the street and dump incriminating Nixon tapes on the ground.

If hacking is a widespread problem in SC2, I definitely want to hear about it and have it fixed. But I don't think dumping circumstantial evidence on the forum and letting everyone have a go at it is the right way.

On June 05 2012 14:09 Klipsys wrote:


It's not just that, its dropping due to inactivty, and then getting to number 1 GM the next fucking season That's some funky ass shit right there.

On June 05 2012 14:02 EnderCraft wrote:

Ok Mr. CommunityVoiceOfReason, how should we handle this?

On June 05 2012 13:46 giX wrote:
during my time at the Reign house, I played a good amount of games with Spades, and observed him playing Artist (Korean terran) many times as well. The results were extremely one sided for their TVT's (I would estimate 90%+ winratio in favor of artist in the inhouse games vs him) Spades said frequently that he could not win TvT, and had frequent outbursts of frustration when playing against Artist.

As the weeks passed, it seemed spades motivation to play decreased more and more. During this time he would spend a lot of time playing LoL, CS, and Poker. while myself and Artist would compete in Playhem and play on the Korean ladder (artist won 16 playhems while he was in the house, what a boss) practice became more and more sparse between us, he consequentially dropped out of GM due to lack of play (this was season 5, where he ended the season rank 36 in his masters league) after a few weeks of stagnation, he announced he was returning back to Florida, and left just days after announcing this to frank and the rest of us.

You can Imagine how surprised I was when season 6 opened, and he achieved a staggering 257-84 win ratio, putting him at rank 1 GM with a 75.37% winrate, comparable to the best NA terrans such as: EGdemuslim: 280-79 (77.99%) Select: 274-51 (84.31%) EGthorzain: 141-40 (77.90%) this drastic turnaround seemed very fish, given his previous history and the stream cheating that I witnessed in the Reign house. but Given that I was still playing full time and trying to improve myself, I didn't give it a second thought.

Now that all of this has surfaced, I am fairly certain that in the process of wanting to prove himself and break out from the mid tier that so many of us are seemingly stuck, he used underhanded methods to take shortcuts and achieve success that otherwise would have taken a lot of hard work and determination.

On June 05 2012 14:11 Trict wrote:

multiple ways to handle it with out starting a witch hunt. Could of emailed the evidence to western wolves who would than investigate the accusations and made a proper statement. How ever the op very much so made this completely public which now is starting this witch hunt.

On June 05 2012 14:11 StarStrider wrote:


You really want randoms going to teams and sponsors first without letting knowledgable peers (including renowned pros) review the evidence first? You really don't understand how much more destructive that would be obviously.

On June 05 2012 13:33 dignitas.merz wrote:
I liked most part of CatZ stream, I regret that they put so much weight onto the "magic scan" though because;

1) You don't always see the center of the scan when you pull it off on camera (as they claim)
2) It wasn't their strongest piece of evidence

IMO: And people have previously stated this in the thread, the strongest piece of evidence I find in all this mess is the fact that in a 7 game series, Spades never once looks at the fog of war UNLESS he's actually clicking in it (which disables the camera lock? If I understand this correctly). However, when watching his ladder games/streamed games he watches the fog of war quite a lot before even clicking there. How you all of a sudden start playing (seemingly) by using the minimap only, and the only time you ever are in the fog of war is if you're right clicking in it, when you on ladder or when on stream constantly check the Fog of war, is just too weird for me.

TT1 mentioned one stream that we're creature of habits, you don't suddenly stop doing things that you were doing in fifty, probably hundreds of games before. If ANYONE has a reasonable explanation to why Spades isn't looking at the Fog of war even once in the bo7 series against LucifroN, I'd like to hear it.

On June 05 2012 14:12 j3i wrote:


Dear Lord, it's like the final 10 minutes of a CSI episode.

On June 05 2012 14:07 Gheed wrote:


I think the OP should have forwarded his concerns to the teams or the players and the organizers of the tournament. Perhaps tried to speak with other pro gamers. Did SOMETHING other than post this publicly for every idiot to comment on. Maybe if that doesn't get him anywhere, then post it publicly. Deep Throat didn't just go on the street and dump incriminating Nixon tapes on the ground.

If hacking is a widespread problem in SC2, I definitely want to hear about it and have it fixed. But I don't think dumping circumstantial evidence on the forum and letting everyone have a go at it is the right way.

On June 05 2012 14:10 polyphonyEX wrote:

That could have been epic. Destiny and Orb casting, with after-game replay analysis by TT1.

Might as well throw in savior and combat-ex while we're at it.

On June 05 2012 14:12 mTwTT1 wrote:


Yea i wanted to focus on the gameplay stuff more but i wasnt there when they were taking notes on what they wanted to talk about so i didnt want to derail the discussion so i just went with it. There was definitely an overwhelming amount of gameplay evidence pointing to him possibly maphacking that we didnt cover and we could have gone more in depth with some of the gameplay stuff that we did cover, like i said i wasnt there when they were planning everything so i just kinda winged it cus i didnt want to interfere too much in the discussion, i went into it more as an observer. I didnt watch the replays beforehand because i wanted to go into the discussion without having any prejudgements so i could formulate my own opinions and see if what they were saying was actually legit or not, and tbh after reading frank's(Mirhi) post coupled with the overwhelming amount gameplay evidence in those games im kinda leaning over towards the witchhunt side =/

that being said im still not sure because the game sample is kinda small but its still not enought to sway me towards his side, im like 75-25 atm

On June 05 2012 14:10 polyphonyEX wrote:

That could have been epic. Destiny and Orb casting, with after-game replay analysis by TT1.

Might as well throw in savior and combat-ex while we're at it.

On June 05 2012 14:12 Gheed wrote:


... Did you not read the part where I said maybe voice their concern with other pro gamers?

On June 05 2012 14:12 j3i wrote:


Dear Lord, it's like the final 10 minutes of a CSI episode.