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On May 31 2012 13:31 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 12:32 IamMagic wrote:On May 31 2012 08:16 Hummingb1rd wrote:Suspicious......... http://drop.sc/188930Hummingbird (Me) vs Fyrepower - R(T) v. Z *Note that I am a random player, aka i rolled terran Scan through replay, lack of scouting by him. He doesn't even scout the fact that I'm terran. He gets third base without knowing anything. Roaches when I get hellions. Never sees any of my base or anything I own until 14 minutes in. Which is my third. Counters all my pushes and knows the exact location where to engage my army, sometimes never even seeing it. Just look for signs throughout the whole replay. And lastly, ignore the fact I'm bad and didn't get combat shields the whole game. Thanks! ~Hummingbird EDIT: Clicked his name on drop.sc. Looks like iMpMagic dropped a replay of him 4 days ago. May be of use to you guys? http://drop.sc/186422 -I personally haven't looked at it so idk. This player I also found extremely suspicious, http://drop.sc/186422he decides to go 13/13 vs me when I 10 pool which is okay, however I checked his game history at the time not once did he ever do this build ever, but whatever lets give him the benefit of the doubt. whats suspcious here is the fact that he has speedlings and doesnt even poke up my ramp because he somehow knows I hid lings on the map for a counter attack, hes a very clever maphacker unlike the rest of them so its going to be a little harder to catch him blatantly maphacking, however I am 100% sure without a doubt he is based off his unit movements. - goes 13/13 than doesnt even look with his overlord at the lings coming but builds spine crawler immediately, implying he knew it was coming anyways -changes the overlord direction at a certain point from going infront of my base to hovering right over hidden lings for runby (this should be most obvious) - starts running forward with speedlings but realizes i hid lings on the map for a runbys and immedately retreats (no LOS) ALSO, based off Hummingbirds replay its without a doubt now its 100% maphack, Fyrepower is a maphacker. I just watched this replay carefully and honestly there is NOTHING suspicious here other than an odd build order choice by Fyre. It's like 12gas12pool. Other than that he plays the game out totally reasonably and is WAY ahead of the 10 pool of impMagic. He doesn't look into fog of war or anything, he just uses the cues he sees in game to react properly. Magic spends the game talking his face off about how suspicious everything is while Fyre tries to explain his perfectly sound reasoning. I'm pretty sure Mr. Magic is just a bad sport dumbass who is trying to sling mud at someone who beat him fair and square. Disregard this one, and Magic - get a fucking life and learn to deal with your losses, maybe stop 10 pooling and then whining. This kind of thing really pisses me off.
dude what is your level? or what if your affiliation with Fyre??? doesnt make any sense, how do you not apply pressure after going 13/13 and having metalobic boost? even if my army at home is bigger or i have banes guess what? you have speed your safe you can run away makes no sense... how is that seeing the game properly? furthermore what makes things even worse is he changes his mind when hes half way across the map... go watch any legit player and see what he does after he 14/14's vs a 10 pool ... he doesnt sit in his base, no, rather he attacks cause you have speed and your opponent doesnt
furthermore you didn't address the overlord direction change cause its too obvious and has no decent rebuttal from your end, even if you disregard my replay which you obviously can't as its such shady gameplay look at the replay that hummingbird posted, thats enough to prove he cheats... guess what he says ? " I was tired and lazy... I got lucky"
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On May 31 2012 13:38 IamMagic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:29 ZweiGaming wrote:On May 31 2012 13:13 IamMagic wrote:
check 12:17 thats where he looks right over my army and than sends pheonix in the exact spot
14:38 also -> as soon as he sees he selects units immediately and a moves them up to attack (how is this not maphack?) 12:17: I don't know what to think of it, no need for him to even look at the army since he has no intention to do anything off it.. (go to it, nor back from it). He just stays where he was and make his phoenix come back before looking at this spots (more like on the way back to his third i'd say). 14:20 he had full vision of your army on the way, I would have prepared to either defend my third or second base seeing this coming as well. Suspicious but not enough for me to call it maphacking, will need more replays. I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinion as well on this case. If you are fully convinced that he hacks... well then I suggest that you report him to blizzard. Though I highly doubt they will take any actions from a single replay. What we're trying to do here is getting the hackers banned by cumulating evidence. The other thing bugging me about this replay is that, why would he camera lock at the beginning of the game (if thats the case), and not when he peaks at your army way later in the game. 12:17 : yes he had every intention of doing something, he wanted to use pheonix lift to lift the roaches thats why he sent pheonix right beside the roach but it didnt get there in time 14:20: if the army was on the way he would have positioned his units earlier, he positioned his units 1 second before the attack came... look at when he selects his units and look at the time i attacked he gets ready a second earlier after looking at my army in the dark btw. camera lock? no idea about this
Camera locking is the options maphackers have to lock the camera on their base when they peak at the other players base to keep it secret. Most hackers i've seen up to now are either fully blatant (like impa, peaking threw fog from beginning to end) or not peaking at all, cause their camera is locked and it's being revealed in some other way like the army positionning after a "camera afk" (like in the LGlightpwner video). The fact that the current accused is peaking, which seems randomly tends to make me think its pure luck. Other than that, I believe he would have peaked more at your base.... that being only my opinion.
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On May 31 2012 13:44 IamMagic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:31 Rube_Juice wrote:On May 31 2012 12:32 IamMagic wrote:On May 31 2012 08:16 Hummingb1rd wrote:Suspicious......... http://drop.sc/188930Hummingbird (Me) vs Fyrepower - R(T) v. Z *Note that I am a random player, aka i rolled terran Scan through replay, lack of scouting by him. He doesn't even scout the fact that I'm terran. He gets third base without knowing anything. Roaches when I get hellions. Never sees any of my base or anything I own until 14 minutes in. Which is my third. Counters all my pushes and knows the exact location where to engage my army, sometimes never even seeing it. Just look for signs throughout the whole replay. And lastly, ignore the fact I'm bad and didn't get combat shields the whole game. Thanks! ~Hummingbird EDIT: Clicked his name on drop.sc. Looks like iMpMagic dropped a replay of him 4 days ago. May be of use to you guys? http://drop.sc/186422 -I personally haven't looked at it so idk. This player I also found extremely suspicious, http://drop.sc/186422he decides to go 13/13 vs me when I 10 pool which is okay, however I checked his game history at the time not once did he ever do this build ever, but whatever lets give him the benefit of the doubt. whats suspcious here is the fact that he has speedlings and doesnt even poke up my ramp because he somehow knows I hid lings on the map for a counter attack, hes a very clever maphacker unlike the rest of them so its going to be a little harder to catch him blatantly maphacking, however I am 100% sure without a doubt he is based off his unit movements. - goes 13/13 than doesnt even look with his overlord at the lings coming but builds spine crawler immediately, implying he knew it was coming anyways -changes the overlord direction at a certain point from going infront of my base to hovering right over hidden lings for runby (this should be most obvious) - starts running forward with speedlings but realizes i hid lings on the map for a runbys and immedately retreats (no LOS) ALSO, based off Hummingbirds replay its without a doubt now its 100% maphack, Fyrepower is a maphacker. I just watched this replay carefully and honestly there is NOTHING suspicious here other than an odd build order choice by Fyre. It's like 12gas12pool. Other than that he plays the game out totally reasonably and is WAY ahead of the 10 pool of impMagic. He doesn't look into fog of war or anything, he just uses the cues he sees in game to react properly. Magic spends the game talking his face off about how suspicious everything is while Fyre tries to explain his perfectly sound reasoning. I'm pretty sure Mr. Magic is just a bad sport dumbass who is trying to sling mud at someone who beat him fair and square. Disregard this one, and Magic - get a fucking life and learn to deal with your losses, maybe stop 10 pooling and then whining. This kind of thing really pisses me off. dude what is your level? or what if your affiliation with Fyre??? doesnt make any sense, how do you not apply pressure after going 13/13 and having metalobic boost? even if my army at home is bigger or i have banes guess what? you have speed your safe you can run away makes no sense... how is that seeing the game properly? furthermore what makes things even worse is he changes his mind when hes half way across the map... go watch any legit player and see what he does after he 14/14's vs a 10 pool ... he doesnt sit in his base, no, rather he attacks cause you have speed and your opponent doesnt furthermore you didn't address the overlord direction change cause its too obvious and has no decent rebuttal from your end, even if you disregard my replay which you obviously can't as its such shady gameplay look at the replay that hummingbird posted, thats enough to prove he cheats... guess what he says ? " I was tired and lazy... I got lucky"
I'm Rank 1 Masters, 1350ish at the moment. When you go 13/13 you'd normally be aggressive, sure - against 15h or a 14/14 opening. Even if he began the game intending to be aggressive, you TEN POOLED. He SAW you come out with 8 lings. At that point the need for aggression is absolutely gone because he is ahead regardless, and he plays it out that way by taking a hatch. No need to get unreasonably aggressive when your opponent is way behind. He poked at you and saw exactly what was going on, and he did engage you at your ramp a little bit. Any high level player should agree with me here.
As to affiliation - he hangs out in a channel that I also hang out with, I've never played a game with him and do not chat with him regularly. I only checked out the rep because I see him around on Bnet once in a while. I'm not biased.
I hope others watch this replay and will agree with me that you are an annoying turd who is crying wolf.
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speaking of camera view, watch Fyrepowers camera from 2:00 to 2:40 his apm also dropes down to almost 0 during this time - looks kinda like hes using it
lol dude are you serious? there is no need to be agressive? sure maybe theres not (even thought 10 pool is not all in vs 13/13 as a 1350 player you should know this) however you have speed and your opponent doesnt you know this and you know there is no harm in being agressive cause 9 times out of 10 you can do damage putting you even further ahead
furthermore he was going to be agressive he sends his ENTIRE army out at 14:55 he has a sudden change of heart given I had lings hidden changes his mind, sends 1 ling out morphs baneling immediately (midmap btw) sends overlord ontop of my lings and plays defensive... you still have not refuted any of this
you also post there is some affiliation with him given you are both apart of the same chat room therfore there is obviously bias here, and you state your 1350. post sc2ranks id here plz
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I'd be interested to know if anyone has experience playing against Rafao on ladder. He's in GM this season and last but the season before that he was in platinum. His account shows 3100 wins in bronze in one season though so maybe that's the reason he was low, but still it's fishy. As of February he was losing games to plats and diamonds. There are replays of him at the below link, from a tournament I'm guessing...I'd be interested to see how his mechanics and decision making are.
http://www.sctemple.com/profiles/3191092-rafao/?show=replays&page=2#Replays
It seems this is another account of his, as the name given here matches the name of his ESL profile here. This account is in plat this season.
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On May 31 2012 13:45 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:38 IamMagic wrote:On May 31 2012 13:29 ZweiGaming wrote:On May 31 2012 13:13 IamMagic wrote:
check 12:17 thats where he looks right over my army and than sends pheonix in the exact spot
14:38 also -> as soon as he sees he selects units immediately and a moves them up to attack (how is this not maphack?) 12:17: I don't know what to think of it, no need for him to even look at the army since he has no intention to do anything off it.. (go to it, nor back from it). He just stays where he was and make his phoenix come back before looking at this spots (more like on the way back to his third i'd say). 14:20 he had full vision of your army on the way, I would have prepared to either defend my third or second base seeing this coming as well. Suspicious but not enough for me to call it maphacking, will need more replays. I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinion as well on this case. If you are fully convinced that he hacks... well then I suggest that you report him to blizzard. Though I highly doubt they will take any actions from a single replay. What we're trying to do here is getting the hackers banned by cumulating evidence. The other thing bugging me about this replay is that, why would he camera lock at the beginning of the game (if thats the case), and not when he peaks at your army way later in the game. 12:17 : yes he had every intention of doing something, he wanted to use pheonix lift to lift the roaches thats why he sent pheonix right beside the roach but it didnt get there in time 14:20: if the army was on the way he would have positioned his units earlier, he positioned his units 1 second before the attack came... look at when he selects his units and look at the time i attacked he gets ready a second earlier after looking at my army in the dark btw. camera lock? no idea about this Camera locking is the options maphackers have to lock the camera on their base when they peak at the other players base to keep it secret. Most hackers i've seen up to now are either fully blatant (like impa, peaking threw fog from beginning to end) or not peaking at all, cause their camera is locked and it's being revealed in some other way like the army positionning after a "camera afk" (like in the LGlightpwner video). The fact that the current accused is peaking, which seems randomly tends to make me think its pure luck. Other than that, I believe he would have peaked more at your base.... that being only my opinion.
I'll say it straight up that I know Trace and I highly doubt he would hack as he's almost always playing and he has both wins and losses (which is something most hackers don't have a lot of in comparison). He also streams when he can and takes great pride in his accomplishments like when he finally broke into master's league and that took a long time. I know he's following this forum (to some extent) and if you ask kindly enough he may even play a rematch with you. But it's up to you.
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On May 31 2012 13:56 IamMagic wrote:
speaking of camera view, watch Fyrepowers camera from 2:00 to 2:40 his apm also dropes down to almost 0 during this time - looks kinda like hes using it
lol dude are you serious? there is no need to be agressive? sure maybe theres not (even thought 10 pool is not all in vs 13/13 as a 1350 player you should know this) however you have speed and your opponent doesnt you know this and you know there is no harm in being agressive cause 9 times out of 10 you can do damage putting you even further ahead
furthermore he was going to be agressive he sends his ENTIRE army out at 14:55 he has a sudden change of heart given I had lings hidden changes his mind, sends 1 ling out morphs baneling immediately (midmap btw) sends overlord ontop of my lings and plays defensive... you still have not refuted any of this
you also post there is some affiliation with him given you are both apart of the same chat room therfore there is obviously bias here, and you state your 1350. post sc2ranks id here plz
Camera locks seems to not be always lock the apm to 0 as he can still be clicking things (atleast I think so, someone prove me wrong if I am please).
I haven't watched this replay yet so I cant comment more than that for now.
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speaking of camera view, watch Fyrepowers camera from 2:00 to 2:40 his apm also dropes down to almost 0 during this time - looks kinda like hes using it
however you have speed and your opponent doesnt you know this and you know there is no harm in being agressive cause 9 times out of 10 you can do damage putting you even further ahead
9/10 times an allin will win when you're ahead, but 10/10 times macro will win if you are ahead. just food for thought v_v... ps: what's camera view? o_o...
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Is this thread now just a "report all suspicious activity!" thread ...?
Just report them to Blizzard, let them investigate, and play the game, guys. No need to get worked up over this.
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On May 31 2012 14:14 babylon wrote:
Is this thread now just a "report all suspicious activity!" thread ...?
Just report them to Blizzard, let them investigate, and play the game, guys. No need to get worked up over this.
This thread was about pointing out the growing maphackers in top masters/GM and is still is. My main post currently only contains obvious maphackers, which some already got banned. As you might have noticed, I am not adding names that we cannot be sure if it's either maphack or not even though lots of reports have just been about suspicious players.
I believe working as a community to gather replay evidences is the best way we currently have to fight back this wave of hackers.
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On May 31 2012 14:12 Fyrepower wrote:Show nested quote +speaking of camera view, watch Fyrepowers camera from 2:00 to 2:40 his apm also dropes down to almost 0 during this time - looks kinda like hes using it
however you have speed and your opponent doesnt you know this and you know there is no harm in being agressive cause 9 times out of 10 you can do damage putting you even further ahead 9/10 times an allin will win when you're ahead, but 10/10 times macro will win if you are ahead. just food for thought v_v... ps: what's camera view? o_o...
Sorry I did not say all in, I said pressure/be agressive... you can still pressure and can macro behind it. anyways quite obvious you cheat, im sure you'll stop now thought given the fact that your under the radar but my game and hummingbirds game easily prove you cheat, any high masters/gm player who look at both games carefully and unbaisedly will be able to see this
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On May 31 2012 13:56 IamMagic wrote:
speaking of camera view, watch Fyrepowers camera from 2:00 to 2:40 his apm also dropes down to almost 0 during this time - looks kinda like hes using it
lol dude are you serious? there is no need to be agressive? sure maybe theres not (even thought 10 pool is not all in vs 13/13 as a 1350 player you should know this) however you have speed and your opponent doesnt you know this and you know there is no harm in being agressive cause 9 times out of 10 you can do damage putting you even further ahead
furthermore he was going to be agressive he sends his ENTIRE army out at 14:55 he has a sudden change of heart given I had lings hidden changes his mind, sends 1 ling out morphs baneling immediately (midmap btw) sends overlord ontop of my lings and plays defensive... you still have not refuted any of this
you also post there is some affiliation with him given you are both apart of the same chat room therfore there is obviously bias here, and you state your 1350. post sc2ranks id here plz
http://sc2ranks.com/us/536795/RubeJuice
There you go.
I didn't state that you were all in against him, though the way you played it out you certainly were. He was ahead like 7 drones and had a hatchery building and you were going roaches. He saw this when he poked your ramp, didnt see a hatch, and saw roaches and lings. Your desperation hidden lings couldn't work as planned, that doesn't mean there is hacking here.
I told you exactly how far the relationship between me and Fyre goes - believe me, I'd like more people to drop out of GM so that I have a better chance to get in! You can choose to see bias here if you like, but I'm not defending him for the sake of our imaginary friendship, I assure you.
As I said, I'm waiting for others to watch this replay and comment.
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On May 31 2012 14:14 babylon wrote:
Is this thread now just a "report all suspicious activity!" thread ...?
Just report them to Blizzard, let them investigate, and play the game, guys. No need to get worked up over this.
The gamer that cried hack. It's the new version of boy who cried wolf.
"I lost and I'm perfect so the guy has to be hacking!" One or two odd things in a game is ok. It's when there's seven or eight odd things in a game (without the horribly obvious stuff like what Impa did often) that you should be curious. And, ffs, if other people say that it's not a conclusive hack, please stop fighting for it and move on.
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Couldn't blizzard just have replays saved to the server instead of to the computers? Then the replays could be downloaded after the game. I mean hell 90% of replays are never watched, The replay file size is small, and we are already forced to be connected through the sc2 servers.
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On May 31 2012 14:27 Rube_Juice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 13:56 IamMagic wrote:
speaking of camera view, watch Fyrepowers camera from 2:00 to 2:40 his apm also dropes down to almost 0 during this time - looks kinda like hes using it
lol dude are you serious? there is no need to be agressive? sure maybe theres not (even thought 10 pool is not all in vs 13/13 as a 1350 player you should know this) however you have speed and your opponent doesnt you know this and you know there is no harm in being agressive cause 9 times out of 10 you can do damage putting you even further ahead
furthermore he was going to be agressive he sends his ENTIRE army out at 14:55 he has a sudden change of heart given I had lings hidden changes his mind, sends 1 ling out morphs baneling immediately (midmap btw) sends overlord ontop of my lings and plays defensive... you still have not refuted any of this
you also post there is some affiliation with him given you are both apart of the same chat room therfore there is obviously bias here, and you state your 1350. post sc2ranks id here plz http://sc2ranks.com/us/536795/RubeJuiceThere you go. I didn't state that you were all in against him, though the way you played it out you certainly were. He was ahead like 7 drones and had a hatchery building and you were going roaches. He saw this when he poked your ramp, didnt see a hatch, and saw roaches and lings. Your desperation hidden lings couldn't work as planned, that doesn't mean there is hacking here. I told you exactly how far the relationship between me and Fyre goes - believe me, I'd like more people to drop out of GM so that I have a better chance to get in! You can choose to see bias here if you like, but I'm not defending him for the sake of our imaginary friendship, I assure you. As I said, I'm waiting for others to watch this replay and comment.
By the way - he builds the spine immediately after seeing your lings move out. Speed finishes at 6:22 and he IMMEDIATELY moves all his lings to your natural and pokes your ramp. This is aggression. What are you not getting here?
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On May 31 2012 14:29 droit wrote:
Couldn't blizzard just have replays saved to the server instead of to the computers? Then the replays could be downloaded after the game. I mean hell 90% of replays are never watched, The replay file size is small, and we are already forced to be connected through the sc2 servers.
Isn't this what Dota2 does?
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On May 31 2012 14:20 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 14:14 babylon wrote:
Is this thread now just a "report all suspicious activity!" thread ...?
Just report them to Blizzard, let them investigate, and play the game, guys. No need to get worked up over this. This thread was about pointing out the growing maphackers in top masters/GM and is still is. My main post currently only contains obvious maphackers, which some already got banned. As you might have noticed, I am not adding names that we cannot be sure if it's either maphack or not even though lots of reports have just been about suspicious players. I believe working as a community to gather replay evidences is the best way we currently have to fight back this wave of hackers.
I'm just kind of confused as to what you are hoping to accomplish here, because in the end, only Blizzard can take any sort of action, and you alert them of hackers by reporting it to them, which you can do without making a thread like this discussing any and all suspicious activity. I mean, of course there are going to be more and more hackers as the game gets older; that happens simply because given enough time, people will find creative new ways to hack. All you can do is report those you think are hacking and move on. Making a thread about it isn't really worth the effort imo. Either Blizzard will decide they care and pay attention or they won't. :/
But have at it if you want to. I just don't really see the point.
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On May 31 2012 14:32 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 14:20 ZweiGaming wrote:On May 31 2012 14:14 babylon wrote:
Is this thread now just a "report all suspicious activity!" thread ...?
Just report them to Blizzard, let them investigate, and play the game, guys. No need to get worked up over this. This thread was about pointing out the growing maphackers in top masters/GM and is still is. My main post currently only contains obvious maphackers, which some already got banned. As you might have noticed, I am not adding names that we cannot be sure if it's either maphack or not even though lots of reports have just been about suspicious players. I believe working as a community to gather replay evidences is the best way we currently have to fight back this wave of hackers. I'm just kind of confused as to what you are hoping to accomplish here, because in the end, only Blizzard can take any sort of action, and you alert them of hackers by reporting it to them, which you can do without making a thread like this discussing any and all suspicious activity. I mean, of course there are going to be more and more hackers as the game gets older; that happens simply because given enough time, people will find creative new ways to hack. All you can do is report those you think are hacking and move on. Making a thread about it isn't really worth the effort imo. Either Blizzard will decide they care and pay attention or they won't. :/ But have at it if you want to. I just don't really see the point.
My single replay submission isn't enough to get someone banned, though collecting replays of someone being accused by several people makes much more impact as the evidence grows with the number of replays available.
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Just in case anymore evidence is needed, here is a replay lightpwnr with some obvious map hacking:
http://replayfu.com/r/crSZPd
EDIT: The sc2ranks link on the download page leads to a profile named venusaur. Not sure if that's a name change or what.
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