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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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hpTheGreat
United States173 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:57 -Dustin- wrote: Watch this http://www.livestream.com/shapestream/video?clipId=pla_6bd6b7c2-3a6e-4c4f-9c5d-9560091c0f54&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb. That shows the hack allowing you to see what your enemy is producing. The link is Impas live stream. For those not wanting to watch it gives you the production tab, their resources in the top right AND a alert when building certain units the video I watched the Terran made banshees and text popped up saying "x is making Banshees". lol. I just saw the hack for the first time. First, the person hacking is terrible. Keeps losing even with the hack on. Second, why is he streaming this? And third, well we know blizzard isnt gonna do shit about this. They didn't in bw. gg no re | ||
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Lavit2099
United States390 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:18 hpTheGreat wrote: lol. I just saw the hack for the first time. First, the person hacking is terrible. Keeps losing even with the hack on. Second, why is he streaming this? And third, well we know blizzard isnt gonna do shit about this. They didn't in bw. gg no re They did something about it. Deleted his 1v1 record and, iirc, gave him a ban. | ||
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hpTheGreat
United States173 Posts
I hope they can somehow get rid of the hack too. Im sure there are plenty of people using it. | ||
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lalapo
Hong Kong13 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:48 Masvidal wrote: Pffft watched the video in the OP, its all speculation and circumstantial. Seems like OP sure knows a lot about maphacking, hes mentioning all this shit i didnt even know (and may not even be true) like being able to see what your opponent is producing which even with a hack doesnt make any sense because you cant even see what YOU are producing without checking structures. Im not trying to troll, just trying to play devils advocate and look at things in a skeptical light so we dont have an all out witch hunt where everyone who gets lucky starts being accused of hacking or whatever. Blind counters happen, i accept. If i sawa guy blind counter 10 games in a row, ok, im convinced. All it does i believe is just show the production tab that you see when watching replays while you are playing the game. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:48 Masvidal wrote: Pffft watched the video in the OP, its all speculation and circumstantial. Seems like OP sure knows a lot about maphacking, hes mentioning all this shit i didnt even know (and may not even be true) like being able to see what your opponent is producing which even with a hack doesnt make any sense because you cant even see what YOU are producing without checking structures. Im not trying to troll, just trying to play devils advocate and look at things in a skeptical light so we dont have an all out witch hunt where everyone who gets lucky starts being accused of hacking or whatever. Blind counters happen, i accept. If i sawa guy blind counter 10 games in a row, ok, im convinced. I believe you didn't take a look at "Impa" stream, all the hacks were used while he was streaming which helped a lot of us to discover the fonctions On May 31 2012 10:13 Terranist wrote: lightpwnr went from being diamond to highish masters in the span of two weeks. i've seen people make rapid improvements before but it saddens me when they use improper means to achieve that goal. Read the first post, this guy got banned in a 24 hours timeframe after posting the evidence. On May 31 2012 10:47 lalapo wrote: How do I send a replay to blizzard? Just the normal report doesn't seem to work, I've reported on three different confirmed hackers and I still see them online.. hacks@blizzard e-mail, send them a description of what happened and the replay On May 31 2012 11:01 iAmJeffReY wrote: http://drop.sc/188971 against Trace. Someone said he was a hacker, checked a replay... nothing out of the ordinary besides two very VERY distinct, and somewhat drawn out, looks at my natural through the fog of war before he placed a pylon and did gateway pressure. Other than that, I'm not sure about it. I always find those long stares at fog to be very suspicious. Thanks, will be looking to it. Fog of wars occasionnal peaking cannot be used as a proof as I sometimes do it myself to just look at my oponents buildings that I scouted earlier on. It IS obvious if the area is not yet scouted or if they do it from the beginning of the game. I wouldn't understand why using a camera lock at begining of game, and not later on when looking at the army/expos. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Other than that, I'm not sure about it. I always find those long stares at fog to be very suspicious. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:01 iAmJeffReY wrote: http://drop.sc/188971 against Trace. Someone said he was a hacker, checked a replay... nothing out of the ordinary besides two very VERY distinct, and somewhat drawn out, looks at my natural through the fog of war before he placed a pylon and did gateway pressure. Other than that, I'm not sure about it. I always find those long stares at fog to be very suspicious. Was it right before hitting with an all in? If so it can just be indecision through being not familiar yet with the all in timing, or second guessing oneself. If it's just completely random then that's really weird. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
On May 31 2012 11:03 EtherealDeath wrote: Was it right before hitting with an all in? If so it can just be indecision through being not familiar yet with the all in timing, or second guessing oneself. If it's just completely random then that's really weird. It wasn't an all in, just standard 1 gate FE -> 4 gate pressure. But somehow in the midst, threw down a robo (I was gasless -> 2 port cloak he never scouted it) not many protoss commit to 4 gate pressure, and cut units out to drop a robo before they do the pressure... I could be completely wrong, just throwing another replay into the mix because someone brought his name up | ||
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IamMagic
Canada53 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:58 ZweiGaming wrote: 14:45~ he loses 3 probes while transfering them to expo, he could just have backed them if he did see you coming 21:21, can see you burrow in his vision which could explain the storms. Few suspicious moves, though I cannot conclude that he hacks from only this replay, if anyone has more replays of him please foward me them. 14:45~ he moved his army up pre-emptively before he moved his probes back, he did not have time to do both at the same time, furthermore when he transfered the probes my army was not posturing to attack so he felt it was safe. 21:21~ you HAVE to look at his camera view, not his unit view. his camera view never for even 1 slight second saw my roaches burrow i reviewed it 4 times, even IF we assume he saw on minimap which is highly unlikely the chances of him storming perfectly over the roaches is nearly impossible | ||
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IamMagic
Canada53 Posts
On May 31 2012 08:16 Hummingb1rd wrote: Suspicious......... http://drop.sc/188930 Hummingbird (Me) vs Fyrepower - R(T) v. Z *Note that I am a random player, aka i rolled terran Scan through replay, lack of scouting by him. He doesn't even scout the fact that I'm terran. He gets third base without knowing anything. Roaches when I get hellions. Never sees any of my base or anything I own until 14 minutes in. Which is my third. Counters all my pushes and knows the exact location where to engage my army, sometimes never even seeing it. Just look for signs throughout the whole replay. And lastly, ignore the fact I'm bad and didn't get combat shields the whole game. Thanks! ~Hummingbird EDIT: Clicked his name on drop.sc. Looks like iMpMagic dropped a replay of him 4 days ago. May be of use to you guys? http://drop.sc/186422 -I personally haven't looked at it so idk. This player I also found extremely suspicious, http://drop.sc/186422 he decides to go 13/13 vs me when I 10 pool which is okay, however I checked his game history at the time not once did he ever do this build ever, but whatever lets give him the benefit of the doubt. whats suspcious here is the fact that he has speedlings and doesnt even poke up my ramp because he somehow knows I hid lings on the map for a counter attack, hes a very clever maphacker unlike the rest of them so its going to be a little harder to catch him blatantly maphacking, however I am 100% sure without a doubt he is based off his unit movements. - goes 13/13 than doesnt even look with his overlord at the lings coming but builds spine crawler immediately, implying he knew it was coming anyways -changes the overlord direction at a certain point from going infront of my base to hovering right over hidden lings for runby (this should be most obvious) - starts running forward with speedlings but realizes i hid lings on the map for a runbys and immedately retreats (no LOS) ALSO, based off Hummingbirds replay its without a doubt now its 100% maphack, Fyrepower is a maphacker. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:28 IamMagic wrote: 14:45~ he moved his army up pre-emptively before he moved his probes back, he did not have time to do both at the same time, furthermore when he transfered the probes my army was not posturing to attack so he felt it was safe. 21:21~ you HAVE to look at his camera view, not his unit view. his camera view never for even 1 slight second saw my roaches burrow i reviewed it 4 times, even IF we assume he saw on minimap which is highly unlikely the chances of him storming perfectly over the roaches is nearly impossible It is suspect, though I cannot destroy someones reputation only based on those assumptions. I will be needing more replays. And when I looked at your replay, I was looking from his vision and seen the ton of red dots "disappear" on the minimap on the first watch. I wouldn't be suprised that he seen it too, though getting the storms right on... well thats hard to judge. On May 31 2012 12:32 IamMagic wrote: This player I also found extremely suspicious, http://drop.sc/186422 he decides to go 13/13 vs me when I 10 pool which is okay, however I checked his game history at the time not once did he ever do this build ever, but whatever lets give him the benefit of the doubt. whats suspcious here is the fact that he has speedlings and doesnt even poke up my ramp because he somehow knows I hid lings on the map for a counter attack, hes a very clever maphacker unlike the rest of them so its going to be a little harder to catch him blatantly maphacking, however I am 100% sure without a doubt he is based off his unit movements. ALSO, based off Hummingbirds replay its without a doubt now its 100% maphack, Fyrepower is a maphacker. I will be watching his replays later on, as I do not have time to watch the enormous amount of replays that is currently being sent to me. | ||
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IamMagic
Canada53 Posts
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:55 IamMagic wrote: what about the fact that he looks directly in the dark at my entire army moving and reacts by moving his entire army to one spot? he even pulls his pheonix on the other side of the map... thats not enough proof for you? I've looked at the timing you posted and I must have missed that part cause I did not see that happen, I saw him once look threw fog, at nothing, one other time at your natural, your army was there but nothing really obvious as I sometimes look there too and that's all I can recall seeing. The replays currently on the main post are showing obvious maphacking parts on several replays of the same guy. Without that, I prefer not doing accusations which could end up being false... if more people post replays of him we might have enough evidence to prove it. | ||
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IamMagic
Canada53 Posts
14:38 also -> as soon as he sees he selects units immediately and a moves them up to attack (how is this not maphack?) | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On May 31 2012 10:49 Adreme wrote: All it does i believe is just show the production tab that you see when watching replays while you are playing the game. i believe the basis of the hack is that you have all the abilities of the spectator in customs. Your vision is set to E and everything. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 13:13 IamMagic wrote: check 12:17 thats where he looks right over my army and than sends pheonix in the exact spot 14:38 also -> as soon as he sees he selects units immediately and a moves them up to attack (how is this not maphack?) 12:17: I don't know what to think of it, no need for him to even look at the army since he has no intention to do anything off it.. (go to it, nor back from it). He just stays where he was and make his phoenix come back before looking at this spots (more like on the way back to his third i'd say). 14:20 he had full vision of your army on the way, I would have prepared to either defend my third or second base seeing this coming as well. Suspicious but not enough for me to call it maphacking, will need more replays. I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinion as well on this case. If you are fully convinced that he hacks... well then I suggest that you report him to blizzard. Though I highly doubt they will take any actions from a single replay. What we're trying to do here is getting the hackers banned by cumulating evidence. The other thing bugging me about this replay is that, why would he camera lock at the beginning of the game (if thats the case), and not when he peaks at your army way later in the game. | ||
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 12:32 IamMagic wrote: This player I also found extremely suspicious, http://drop.sc/186422 he decides to go 13/13 vs me when I 10 pool which is okay, however I checked his game history at the time not once did he ever do this build ever, but whatever lets give him the benefit of the doubt. whats suspcious here is the fact that he has speedlings and doesnt even poke up my ramp because he somehow knows I hid lings on the map for a counter attack, hes a very clever maphacker unlike the rest of them so its going to be a little harder to catch him blatantly maphacking, however I am 100% sure without a doubt he is based off his unit movements. - goes 13/13 than doesnt even look with his overlord at the lings coming but builds spine crawler immediately, implying he knew it was coming anyways -changes the overlord direction at a certain point from going infront of my base to hovering right over hidden lings for runby (this should be most obvious) - starts running forward with speedlings but realizes i hid lings on the map for a runbys and immedately retreats (no LOS) ALSO, based off Hummingbirds replay its without a doubt now its 100% maphack, Fyrepower is a maphacker. I just watched this replay carefully and honestly there is NOTHING suspicious here other than an odd build order choice by Fyre. It's like 12gas12pool. Other than that he plays the game out totally reasonably and is WAY ahead of the 10 pool of impMagic. He doesn't look into fog of war or anything, he just uses the cues he sees in game to react properly. Magic spends the game talking his face off about how suspicious everything is while Fyre tries to explain his perfectly sound reasoning. I'm pretty sure Mr. Magic is just a bad sport dumbass who is trying to sling mud at someone who beat him fair and square. Disregard this one, and Magic - get a fucking life and learn to deal with your losses, maybe stop 10 pooling and then whining. This kind of thing really pisses me off. | ||
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IamMagic
Canada53 Posts
On May 31 2012 13:29 ZweiGaming wrote: 12:17: I don't know what to think of it, no need for him to even look at the army since he has no intention to do anything off it.. (go to it, nor back from it). He just stays where he was and make his phoenix come back before looking at this spots (more like on the way back to his third i'd say). 14:20 he had full vision of your army on the way, I would have prepared to either defend my third or second base seeing this coming as well. Suspicious but not enough for me to call it maphacking, will need more replays. I'd be interested in hearing other peoples opinion as well on this case. If you are fully convinced that he hacks... well then I suggest that you report him to blizzard. Though I highly doubt they will take any actions from a single replay. What we're trying to do here is getting the hackers banned by cumulating evidence. The other thing bugging me about this replay is that, why would he camera lock at the beginning of the game (if thats the case), and not when he peaks at your army way later in the game. 12:17 : yes he had every intention of doing something, he wanted to use pheonix lift to lift the roaches thats why he sent pheonix right beside the roach but it didnt get there in time 14:20: if the army was on the way he would have positioned his units earlier, he positioned his units 1 second before the attack came... look at when he selects his units and look at the time i attacked he gets ready a second earlier after looking at my army in the dark btw. camera lock? no idea about this | ||
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