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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 31 2012 08:23 lightpwnr wrote: if the community truly believes i am a hacker i will quit sc2 forever and will not sell my account so you can be sure that no one is playing on it. I do not maphack but I have never been insulted so much. I will go back to the horrible community of call of duty and back to going to compete in MLG's. If you think i am a maphacker good for you. Have fun knowing you ruined the fun i used to have on this game. Have you given any sort of proof showing you do not hack? or are you purely relying on hoping people randomly feel sorry for you and the lost "fun" you once had. On May 31 2012 09:17 ZweiGaming wrote: Went threw OnTheThrone replays and he is defenetly hacking, added on the main page. Will be looking at more replays that have been sent shortly Not to be a douchebag but ive read like 30 of your posts with the word "threw" when its suppose to be through. Sorry, it's just making me a bit crazy lol. Other than that you're doing amazing work taking the time to find these people and having them put on the spot. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:19 eXigent. wrote: Have you given any sort of proof showing you do not hack? or are you purely relying on hoping people randomly feel sorry for you and the lost "fun" you once had. Not to be a douchebag but ive read like 30 of your posts with the word "threw" when its suppose to be through. Sorry, it's just making me a bit crazy lol. Other than that you're doing amazing work taking the time to find these people and having them put on the spot. Sorry for the mistyping, english being my second language, I do make more spelling mistake when I don't take the time to re-read what I write. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:24 ZweiGaming wrote: Sorry for the mistyping, english being my second language, I do make more spelling mistake when I don't take the time to re-read what I write. Ah totally understandable then, forgive my ignorance. | ||
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Masvidal
Korea (South)213 Posts
PS since when does someone have to show proof that they are NOT guilty? GTFO. | ||
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Masvidal
Korea (South)213 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:34 Masvidal wrote: PS since when does someone have to "show proof" that they are NOT guilty of something? GTFO And sorry for double post, im on a phone and it wont let me edit If there is evidence for guilty, then the defendant had better find evidence to show they're not guilty, or else they're going to be found guilty. No one's pre-supposing guilty until proven innocent here. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:34 Masvidal wrote: PS since when does someone have to "show proof" that they are NOT guilty of something? GTFO And sorry for double post, im on a phone and it wont let me edit When there is a video in the OP showing 4-5 different games of the person cheating. You want people to believe all of that is fake? then prove it. If someone proves you are guilty, you need to prove your innocence. It's not like I randomly told him to prove he is innocent. Do some research next time plz. | ||
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Masvidal
Korea (South)213 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:35 EtherealDeath wrote: If there is evidence for guilty, then the defendant had better find evidence to show they're not guilty, or else they're going to be found guilty. No one's pre-supposing guilty until proven innocent here. Unless its the auto blink hack, i dont see how you can PROVE that someone maphacked; looking into fog of war isnt illegal, if it was id be banned for scouting at the beginning of every match lol | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:39 Masvidal wrote: Unless its the auto blink hack, i dont see how you can PROVE that someone maphacked; looking into fog of war isnt illegal, if it was id be banned for scouting at the beginning of every match lol Once again WATCH THE VIDEO. Jesus. Literally the first 3-4 minutes of the video showcase some of the most shady shit ever. Watch the video, then tell me everything you saw is natural. | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:39 Masvidal wrote: Unless its the auto blink hack, i dont see how you can PROVE that someone maphacked; looking into fog of war isnt illegal, if it was id be banned for scouting at the beginning of every match lol It is harder to prove, though still possible. By looking at the replays with the vision of the accused, we can pinpoint reactions that are not what a normal player of this level would do according to what he sees on the map. On another note, LGlightpwner changed his in game name to Venusaur. So much for quitting the game right? | ||
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Fyrepower
United States10 Posts
Suspicious......... http://drop.sc/188930 Hummingbird (Me) vs Fyrepower - R(T) v. Z *Note that I am a random player, aka i rolled terran Scan through replay, lack of scouting by him. He doesn't even scout the fact that I'm terran. He gets third base without knowing anything. Roaches when I get hellions. Never sees any of my base or anything I own until 14 minutes in. Which is my third. Counters all my pushes and knows the exact location where to engage my army, sometimes never even seeing it. Just look for signs throughout the whole replay. And lastly, ignore the fact I'm bad and didn't get combat shields the whole game. Thanks! ~Hummingbird EDIT: Clicked his name on drop.sc. Looks like iMpMagic dropped a replay of him 4 days ago. May be of use to you guys? http://drop.sc/186422 -I personally haven't looked at it so idk. I remember this game! I was so distracted I didn't even look at your race, didn't scout worth a damn played greedy and dumb as shit. As far as me maphacking I don't think so... I always go fast 3rd against any terran style unless I'm allining or something bad like that, and I scouted your marine a few minutes in so I knew your race from that. I'm notoriously bad at scouting and it loses me more games than it wins I can assure you. iMpMagic thinks I'm a maphacker because he 9 pooled me and lost in a macro game... which is kind of self-explanatory. Just trying to clear my name ^^~fyre ps: sorry for mule qq at the end, I don't normally bm like that T_T | ||
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Lavit2099
United States390 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:39 Masvidal wrote: Unless its the auto blink hack, i dont see how you can PROVE that someone maphacked; looking into fog of war isnt illegal, if it was id be banned for scouting at the beginning of every match lol -Reacted to build/position without having the ability to see it (watch from their PoV and camera and you can tell what they do and do not know. -Clicking on buildings that cannot be seen (you can tell by the rings around it during a replay) -Finding/killing hidden objects/units, again without scouting. That's proof enough for us and, I'm guessing, Blizzard as well. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:42 eXigent. wrote: Once again WATCH THE VIDEO. Jesus. Literally the first 3-4 minutes of the video showcase some of the most shady shit ever. Watch the video, then tell me everything you saw is natural. He's quite obviously a troll trying to derail the thread. Just ignore him like the other trolls in this thread. | ||
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Masvidal
Korea (South)213 Posts
Im not trying to troll, just trying to play devils advocate and look at things in a skeptical light so we dont have an all out witch hunt where everyone who gets lucky starts being accused of hacking or whatever. Blind counters happen, i accept. If i sawa guy blind counter 10 games in a row, ok, im convinced. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:44 Fyrepower wrote: I remember this game! I was so distracted I didn't even look at your race, didn't scout worth a damn played greedy and dumb as shit. As far as me maphacking I don't think so... I always go fast 3rd against any terran style unless I'm allining or something bad like that, and I scouted your marine a few minutes in so I knew your race from that. I'm notoriously bad at scouting and it loses me more games than it wins I can assure you. iMpMagic thinks I'm a maphacker because he 9 pooled me and lost in a macro game... which is kind of self-explanatory. Just trying to clear my name ^^~fyre ps: sorry for mule qq at the end, I don't normally bm like that T_T Another potential Ninetails... jkjk. | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:48 Masvidal wrote: Pffft watched the video in the OP, its all speculation and circumstantial. Seems like OP sure knows a lot about maphacking, hes mentioning all this shit i didnt even know (and may not even be true) like being able to see what your opponent is producing which even with a hack doesnt make any sense because you cant even see what YOU are producing without checking structures. Im not trying to troll, just trying to play devils advocate and look at things in a skeptical light so we dont have an all out witch hunt where everyone who gets lucky starts being accused of hacking or whatever. Blind counters happen, i accept. If i sawa guy blind counter 10 games in a row, ok, im convinced. Watch this http://www.livestream.com/shapestream/video?clipId=pla_6bd6b7c2-3a6e-4c4f-9c5d-9560091c0f54&utm_source=lslibrary&utm_medium=ui-thumb. That shows the hack allowing you to see what your enemy is producing. The link is Impas live stream. For those not wanting to watch it gives you the production tab, their resources in the top right AND a alert when building certain units the video I watched the Terran made banshees and text popped up saying "x is making Banshees". | ||
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ZweiGaming
Canada348 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:49 IamMagic wrote: Trace maphacks, follows army the entire game. but if you don't have time to look at everything just watch 21:32 he storms army when there burrowed and he does not see them burrow. I watched his camera view 3 times im 100% sure he did not see them burrow. so 21:32 for those who do not have time to see entire replay, even though there is evidence all throughout the game. also if you were to say he assumed my army was burrowed there, watch his storms he storms the big patches on the left side rather than the middle and completely ignores right. he storms twice where the big patch of burrowed roaches are and ignores the other side where there is a few. 12:10~ he looks at my army with camera view in the dark and moves his entire army there, did not have any LOS for the attack 14:45~ looks at my army in the dark again and selects units to move them in place once he confirms where there going 22:42~ looks at army in the dark to check size http://drop.sc/188736 please add Trace to front page of maphackers 14:45~ he loses 3 probes while transfering them to expo, he could just have backed them if he did see you coming 21:21, can see you burrow in his vision which could explain the storms. Few suspicious moves, though I cannot conclude that he hacks from only this replay, if anyone has more replays of him please foward me them. | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:48 Masvidal wrote: Pffft watched the video in the OP, its all speculation and circumstantial. Seems like OP sure knows a lot about maphacking, hes mentioning all this shit i didnt even know (and may not even be true) like being able to see what your opponent is producing which even with a hack doesnt make any sense because you cant even see what YOU are producing without checking structures. Im not trying to troll, just trying to play devils advocate and look at things in a skeptical light so we dont have an all out witch hunt where everyone who gets lucky starts being accused of hacking or whatever. Blind counters happen, i accept. If i sawa guy blind counter 10 games in a row, ok, im convinced. One of the most popular hacks includes a production tab hack. Basically it makes the game like a replay, where you can see the production tab in the top left of the screen. So now while you play, you can see everything your opponent is making without having to look into the fog of war and potentially get caught. The things the OP are talking about are not discredited simply because you personally do not understand them. IMO if you don't know much about whats going on etc, its best not to make such bold statements. | ||
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Catatonic
United States699 Posts
On May 31 2012 09:32 Masvidal wrote: On the upside at least, the ladder has gotten a lot easier lately because all the hackers are in GM by now lol PS since when does someone have to show proof that they are NOT guilty? GTFO. Since proof they used against someone else actually implicated themselves lol | ||
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