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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On October 12 2013 10:49 InfCereal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 10:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 09:44 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 07:57 orangeorange wrote:Does anyone know how to check for auto-inject in a replay via SC2gears? I ask because there's a zerg who's recently rocketed to top 5 EU GM as a barcode: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4195947/1/IlllIIIIlIIl/He went on a 21-1 run at top GM MMR the past few days. I played him a few times during that run and didn't feel anything overtly suspicious, but he did perfectly counter my tech each time before having scouted it. I watched the replays also and noted that he hotkeyed his queens together as 0, which is uncommon afaik and usually an indication (obviously not conclusive) that the person is using some form of autoinject, but I don't know how to check for that. I don't want to post the replays or anything further until I can investigate a bit more, and I will edit out this msg if I can't find anything conclusive. I will note that I looked online for other replays of his, and found one uploaded to drop.sc of him vs Starbuck from August: http://drop.sc/355188This is the chatlog: 03:45 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: the fuck 03:46 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: mh? 03:49 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: ? 10:43 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: gg Not conclusive either, but shows at least one other top player has found him suspicious. Does anyone know who this barcode is? His hotkeys don't match any known EU zerg that I'm aware of. If it was a known player that would probably dispel a lot of the suspicion, but it's hard for anyone to go on 21-1 runs at top GM mmr as zerg... He is absolutely auto inject hacking. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dv2R8Um.png) Not one inject he does involves a hotkey and on top of that the queen is selected and casts in the same frame each time. this replay from drop.sc is kane and if you watch it there is evidently no maphack (and doesnt auto inject require a control group for queens anyway?) Yes, you do.
How could you argue against a screenshot? Thats kind of insane.
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
Maybe a lag spike could cause it to occur once or twice in a long game, but 10+ consecutive times is impossible. Not saying the account is anyone, but whoever was playing the account was hacking.
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On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 10:49 InfCereal wrote:On October 12 2013 10:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 09:44 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 07:57 orangeorange wrote:Does anyone know how to check for auto-inject in a replay via SC2gears? I ask because there's a zerg who's recently rocketed to top 5 EU GM as a barcode: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4195947/1/IlllIIIIlIIl/He went on a 21-1 run at top GM MMR the past few days. I played him a few times during that run and didn't feel anything overtly suspicious, but he did perfectly counter my tech each time before having scouted it. I watched the replays also and noted that he hotkeyed his queens together as 0, which is uncommon afaik and usually an indication (obviously not conclusive) that the person is using some form of autoinject, but I don't know how to check for that. I don't want to post the replays or anything further until I can investigate a bit more, and I will edit out this msg if I can't find anything conclusive. I will note that I looked online for other replays of his, and found one uploaded to drop.sc of him vs Starbuck from August: http://drop.sc/355188This is the chatlog: 03:45 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: the fuck 03:46 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: mh? 03:49 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: ? 10:43 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: gg Not conclusive either, but shows at least one other top player has found him suspicious. Does anyone know who this barcode is? His hotkeys don't match any known EU zerg that I'm aware of. If it was a known player that would probably dispel a lot of the suspicion, but it's hard for anyone to go on 21-1 runs at top GM mmr as zerg... He is absolutely auto inject hacking. Not one inject he does involves a hotkey and on top of that the queen is selected and casts in the same frame each time. this replay from drop.sc is kane and if you watch it there is evidently no maphack (and doesnt auto inject require a control group for queens anyway?) Yes, you do. How could you argue against a screenshot? Thats kind of insane. IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAMEMaybe a lag spike could cause it to occur once or twice in a long game, but 10+ consecutive times is impossible. Not saying the account is anyone, but whoever "was" playing the account was hacking.
there is no control group with queens in it -> so it can't be autoinject
he opens 10pool
then before he sees what starbuck opened pulled all drones with lings, immediately sending them back when lings came into vision (no reason to ever "fake" this as there is build with 10pool into expand that would seem the same as beginning..)
also the way this inject method works, you press screen hotkey, drag select queen with mouse anding on hatch then inject it (note in your screenshot there were random units selected along with the queen when it injected~ no reason a hack would do this)
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On October 12 2013 11:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 10:49 InfCereal wrote:On October 12 2013 10:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 09:44 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 07:57 orangeorange wrote:Does anyone know how to check for auto-inject in a replay via SC2gears? I ask because there's a zerg who's recently rocketed to top 5 EU GM as a barcode: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4195947/1/IlllIIIIlIIl/He went on a 21-1 run at top GM MMR the past few days. I played him a few times during that run and didn't feel anything overtly suspicious, but he did perfectly counter my tech each time before having scouted it. I watched the replays also and noted that he hotkeyed his queens together as 0, which is uncommon afaik and usually an indication (obviously not conclusive) that the person is using some form of autoinject, but I don't know how to check for that. I don't want to post the replays or anything further until I can investigate a bit more, and I will edit out this msg if I can't find anything conclusive. I will note that I looked online for other replays of his, and found one uploaded to drop.sc of him vs Starbuck from August: http://drop.sc/355188This is the chatlog: 03:45 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: the fuck 03:46 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: mh? 03:49 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: ? 10:43 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: gg Not conclusive either, but shows at least one other top player has found him suspicious. Does anyone know who this barcode is? His hotkeys don't match any known EU zerg that I'm aware of. If it was a known player that would probably dispel a lot of the suspicion, but it's hard for anyone to go on 21-1 runs at top GM mmr as zerg... He is absolutely auto inject hacking. Not one inject he does involves a hotkey and on top of that the queen is selected and casts in the same frame each time. this replay from drop.sc is kane and if you watch it there is evidently no maphack (and doesnt auto inject require a control group for queens anyway?) Yes, you do. How could you argue against a screenshot? Thats kind of insane. IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAMEMaybe a lag spike could cause it to occur once or twice in a long game, but 10+ consecutive times is impossible. Not saying the account is anyone, but whoever "was" playing the account was hacking. there is no control group with queens in it -> so it can't be autoinject he opens 10pool then before he sees what starbuck opened pulled all drones with lings, immediately sending them back when lings came into vision (no reason to ever "fake" this as there is build with 10pool into expand that would seem the same as beginning..)
Well if anyone can do it you probably can, start a custom game and see if you can manually select a queen with the mouse then cast inject on the hatchery in the same frame if you can do it even twice in a row i'll recant the accusation completely.
He would select multiple units if he was selecting a unit when the hack selected the queen.
On a side note saying auto inject requires a hotkey like it is some rule of nature is a bit absurd could easily be a new hack.
Also there is zero hotkey use so your idea that he's using place savers is wrong.
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Well, you cant perform more than one action for frame, except in lag spike situations. That is definitely an auto inject.
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On October 12 2013 11:32 ( bush wrote:
Well, you cant perform more than one action for frame, except in lag spike situations. That is definitely an auto inject.
You can if you're spamming a lot, but as for real commands it is practically impossible.
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On October 12 2013 11:26 HiIamBrett wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 10:49 InfCereal wrote:On October 12 2013 10:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 09:44 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 07:57 orangeorange wrote:Does anyone know how to check for auto-inject in a replay via SC2gears? I ask because there's a zerg who's recently rocketed to top 5 EU GM as a barcode: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4195947/1/IlllIIIIlIIl/He went on a 21-1 run at top GM MMR the past few days. I played him a few times during that run and didn't feel anything overtly suspicious, but he did perfectly counter my tech each time before having scouted it. I watched the replays also and noted that he hotkeyed his queens together as 0, which is uncommon afaik and usually an indication (obviously not conclusive) that the person is using some form of autoinject, but I don't know how to check for that. I don't want to post the replays or anything further until I can investigate a bit more, and I will edit out this msg if I can't find anything conclusive. I will note that I looked online for other replays of his, and found one uploaded to drop.sc of him vs Starbuck from August: http://drop.sc/355188This is the chatlog: 03:45 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: the fuck 03:46 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: mh? 03:49 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: ? 10:43 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: gg Not conclusive either, but shows at least one other top player has found him suspicious. Does anyone know who this barcode is? His hotkeys don't match any known EU zerg that I'm aware of. If it was a known player that would probably dispel a lot of the suspicion, but it's hard for anyone to go on 21-1 runs at top GM mmr as zerg... He is absolutely auto inject hacking. Not one inject he does involves a hotkey and on top of that the queen is selected and casts in the same frame each time. this replay from drop.sc is kane and if you watch it there is evidently no maphack (and doesnt auto inject require a control group for queens anyway?) Yes, you do. How could you argue against a screenshot? Thats kind of insane. IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAMEMaybe a lag spike could cause it to occur once or twice in a long game, but 10+ consecutive times is impossible. Not saying the account is anyone, but whoever "was" playing the account was hacking. there is no control group with queens in it -> so it can't be autoinject he opens 10pool then before he sees what starbuck opened pulled all drones with lings, immediately sending them back when lings came into vision (no reason to ever "fake" this as there is build with 10pool into expand that would seem the same as beginning..) Well if anyone can do it you probably can, start a custom game and see if you can manually select a queen with the mouse then cast inject on the hatchery in the same frame if you can do it even twice in a row i'll recant the accusation completely. He would select multiple units if he was selecting a unit when the hack selected the queen. On a side note saying auto inject requires a hotkey like it is some rule of nature is a bit absurd could easily be a new hack. Also there is zero hotkey use so your idea that he's using place savers is wrong.
They don't show in sc2gears im looking at one of my reps right now~ How do I make it display frames instead of time?
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On October 12 2013 11:37 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:26 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 10:49 InfCereal wrote:On October 12 2013 10:47 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 09:44 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 07:57 orangeorange wrote:Does anyone know how to check for auto-inject in a replay via SC2gears? I ask because there's a zerg who's recently rocketed to top 5 EU GM as a barcode: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4195947/1/IlllIIIIlIIl/He went on a 21-1 run at top GM MMR the past few days. I played him a few times during that run and didn't feel anything overtly suspicious, but he did perfectly counter my tech each time before having scouted it. I watched the replays also and noted that he hotkeyed his queens together as 0, which is uncommon afaik and usually an indication (obviously not conclusive) that the person is using some form of autoinject, but I don't know how to check for that. I don't want to post the replays or anything further until I can investigate a bit more, and I will edit out this msg if I can't find anything conclusive. I will note that I looked online for other replays of his, and found one uploaded to drop.sc of him vs Starbuck from August: http://drop.sc/355188This is the chatlog: 03:45 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: the fuck 03:46 [All] [MiA]Starbuck: mh? 03:49 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: ? 10:43 [All] IlllIIIIlIIl: gg Not conclusive either, but shows at least one other top player has found him suspicious. Does anyone know who this barcode is? His hotkeys don't match any known EU zerg that I'm aware of. If it was a known player that would probably dispel a lot of the suspicion, but it's hard for anyone to go on 21-1 runs at top GM mmr as zerg... He is absolutely auto inject hacking. Not one inject he does involves a hotkey and on top of that the queen is selected and casts in the same frame each time. this replay from drop.sc is kane and if you watch it there is evidently no maphack (and doesnt auto inject require a control group for queens anyway?) Yes, you do. How could you argue against a screenshot? Thats kind of insane. IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAMEMaybe a lag spike could cause it to occur once or twice in a long game, but 10+ consecutive times is impossible. Not saying the account is anyone, but whoever "was" playing the account was hacking. there is no control group with queens in it -> so it can't be autoinject he opens 10pool then before he sees what starbuck opened pulled all drones with lings, immediately sending them back when lings came into vision (no reason to ever "fake" this as there is build with 10pool into expand that would seem the same as beginning..) Well if anyone can do it you probably can, start a custom game and see if you can manually select a queen with the mouse then cast inject on the hatchery in the same frame if you can do it even twice in a row i'll recant the accusation completely. He would select multiple units if he was selecting a unit when the hack selected the queen. On a side note saying auto inject requires a hotkey like it is some rule of nature is a bit absurd could easily be a new hack. Also there is zero hotkey use so your idea that he's using place savers is wrong. They don't show in sc2gears im looking at one of my reps right now~ How do I make it display frames instead of time?
Didn't know they didn't show, as for showing frames you uncheck the "seconds" box at the top
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MJzbLHw.png)
from my last replay
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AEYSYnp.png)
more from same replay
On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~
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http://drop.sc/283383 Here is a random soulkey replay even in it there is no instances of an inject happening on the same frame as a selection.
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On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~
I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time.
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On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times.
So therefore I must be hacking as well 
In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do
On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time.
Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen
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On October 12 2013 11:54 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. So therefore I must be hacking as well In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time. Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen (why would that be stored in a replay ?)
Guess it is possible, just loaded 3 of your replays and it does happen although never so many times in a row. Guess he's just better at injects than you.
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On October 12 2013 12:01 HiIamBrett wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:54 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. So therefore I must be hacking as well In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time. Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen (why would that be stored in a replay ?) Guess it is possible, just loaded 3 of your replays and it does happen although never so many times in a row. Guess he's just better at injects than you.
I'm shattered.
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On October 12 2013 12:13 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 12:01 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:54 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. So therefore I must be hacking as well In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time. Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen (why would that be stored in a replay ?) Guess it is possible, just loaded 3 of your replays and it does happen although never so many times in a row. Guess he's just better at injects than you. I'm shattered.
You have to admit that it occurring once or twice (didn't find a replay where it happend more than twice) in your replays (i loaded 5 of them) at most while occurring TWELVE times in a single replay of his is highly suspect.
But you're right if it can happen it isn't proof. So he's innocent although questionably an alien/cyborg.
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On October 12 2013 12:13 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 12:01 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:54 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. So therefore I must be hacking as well In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time. Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen (why would that be stored in a replay ?) Guess it is possible, just loaded 3 of your replays and it does happen although never so many times in a row. Guess he's just better at injects than you. I'm shattered.
I cant believe you had to through all this for his sake......
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Well, some confirmed auto hackers' injections only show as minimap click. I'm not sure but I rarely see there would be a camera movement before such injection. I can't check the rep atm, but reading your posts, I think there is camera movement in the suspicious rep you are talking about, right.
anyway, just some guess.
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On October 12 2013 12:43 askmc70 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 12:13 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 12:01 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:54 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. So therefore I must be hacking as well In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time. Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen (why would that be stored in a replay ?) Guess it is possible, just loaded 3 of your replays and it does happen although never so many times in a row. Guess he's just better at injects than you. I'm shattered. I cant believe you had to through all this for his sake......
Its not like it was obvious, if you load the replay in question into gg tracker it shows a macro skill of 79 for a 15 minute game, if you look at soulkey vs innovation soulkey has 71 in a 16 minute game.
That replay isn't "normal" by any measurement and EXTREMELY impressive anyone that would think it was legit without questions is kind of naive.
Kane is playing on some next level mechanics atm apparently no wonder poor eu server is burning.
If you look at the 24 replays of soulkey on ggtracker only 1 game has a higher macro skill level and it was only a 7 minute game so it should be higher.
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On October 12 2013 12:13 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 12:01 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:54 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:from my last replay more from same replay On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~ I just looked through 3 replays 1 for life and 2 soulkeys and there isn't a single instance of it occuring much less multiple times. So therefore I must be hacking as well In the soulkey replay you linked he is using hotkey to select queens before injecting rather than camera hotkey -> drag select which is what both Kane and I do On October 12 2013 11:51 HiIamBrett wrote:
Also look at your target locations they aren't EXACTLY the same they are different x/y coordinates, his are identical every time. Those are all different hatcheries. The x/y coordinates are just the centre of the hatchery not where you click on the screen (why would that be stored in a replay ?) Guess it is possible, just loaded 3 of your replays and it does happen although never so many times in a row. Guess he's just better at injects than you. I'm shattered.
scarlett owns people in game and out.
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http://drop.sc/362082
TvP vs a player named Sustanon. Uh, for lack of better words, kinda pants on fire obvious maphacking. Looks through the fog of war dozens of times to scout my proxy, base, etc etc. I still won because he was unbelievably bad, but it was abundantly clear he was using maphack even before I watched the replay. When I made fun of him after the game, he admitted to using MH to "level the field against OP terran". lol
Note: dropsc has us as silver/gold - this is not accurate.
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On October 12 2013 11:44 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:+ Show Spoiler +from my last replay + Show Spoiler +more from same replay Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 11:20 HiIamBrett wrote:
IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BOTH SELECT A QUEEN MANUALLY AND INJECT A HATCHERY IN THE SAME FRAME
sry for breaking reality~
Indeed. It has been case for a long time that sometimes the selection of the initiator unit seems to happen in the same frame as the following action in replay action lists (for example 'select larva' + 'train X' sequence often does this). Nothing suspicious if it is only the pair: 'select' + 'do something'.
When searching automation hacks you are more interested what else happens in that same frame (/ adjacent frames). For example to not affect user's control, the automation hacks typically reselect the previous selection in the same frame. Thus the user does not 'notice' / user's control get affected by the automation sequence.
This was not always the case. 'Select' + 'do' sequence started appearing in same frame from time to time in some old patch (don't remember anymore which patch, but it has been a long time since. At least I don't remember it occurring much before it. It was some old WoL patch, maybe something around v1.5).
Also please note that I did not watch the replays. These comments are regarding the presented action lists + quickly skimming the action lists of following replay http://drop.sc/355188 . The inject sequences in that replay were not suspicious.
On October 12 2013 11:25 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
there is no control group with queens in it -> so it can't be autoinject
Of course it can. Injection sequence can be automated in multiple ways. It is true that the most common auto-inject hacks seem to have queens in one group thought. (note this is only a comment regarding claim: 'no command group --> no automation')
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