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On September 15 2013 09:07 MGHero wrote:Caroline NA Server Masters He goes 6 pool and doesn't scout with overlord (sends it behind his mineral line actually) then when he sees that i 10 pool he cancels his 6 pool and drones and makes blind spines, its very very obvious watch replay.. http://drop.sc/359487
Yeah that guy is interesting... I pushed out in middle of map with my army and had a probe make pylons along the edge of the map. The guy took his army to kill the pylons and said "Nice mh. lawl." I was like wait a second... am I missing something... I just moved my army from my third to go to attack, and wait a second, didn't this guy just ninja kill all of my pylons!?
Aww, good old deflection. I wouldn't have even really thought that much of it and his play afterwards if he didn't make comments like that, lol. The guy is def hacking, though.
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Hacker name: llllllllllll
Server: na
Rank: Masters
Replay: http://drop.sc/359493
zero explanation needed. the most obvious hacker ive ever played. disgusting
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On September 15 2013 09:39 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 09:07 MGHero wrote:Caroline NA Server Masters He goes 6 pool and doesn't scout with overlord (sends it behind his mineral line actually) then when he sees that i 10 pool he cancels his 6 pool and drones and makes blind spines, its very very obvious watch replay.. http://drop.sc/359487 Yeah that guy is interesting... I pushed out in middle of map with my army and had a probe make pylons along the edge of the map. The guy took his army to kill the pylons and said "Nice mh. lawl." I was like wait a second... am I missing something... I just moved my army from my third to go to attack, and wait a second, didn't this guy just ninja kill all of my pylons!? Aww, good old deflection. I wouldn't have even really thought that much of it and his play afterwards if he didn't make comments like that, lol. The guy is def hacking, though.
Yes i played him as well he is maphacking for sure. Also he has an inject bot.
http://drop.sc/359494
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SUZUKI
NA
Diamond
Reacts very suspiciously, pulls probes to block lings without scouting, over reacts with lots of cannon without scouting anything. Looks through fog of war multiple times, blatant maphacker.
http://drop.sc/359512
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Name: llllllllllll
Server: NA
Rank: Masters
Very fishy play. I doing a blink stalker all in and everything got blind countered.
No scouting, until around 6:00 and perfect response to the attack up until then. Bunker in the main doesn't move his CC to the low groud, no factory, mass marauder, double tech lab rax.
At 6:30 he stops his scouting scv and considers turning it to avoid the stalker but then realizes that the stalker is moving away so he sends it back on a path to avoid it. This movement makes no sense if he doesn't have full map vision.
At 6:30 he also starts a bunker in his main with no indication of an attack coming at all. (He cancels it but still incredibly strange action, also he might have realized that blink was still only half way done).
At 11:15 he still has seen nothing that indicates colossus, but he starts double starport (I have started colossus production by now).
I confronted him after the game and he says he always does bunker in his main, but looking at his match history this is clearly false. The only other time he had gotten an early bunker was vs another blink all in.
http://drop.sc/359576
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4822611/1/llllllllllll/
Edit:
Msg'd the guy he played after me, he got blind countered as well. Same map, no scouting, but toss fast expanded and then this Terran didn't build a bunker. He also builds 2 turrets as soon as the oracle starts.
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On September 15 2013 09:07 MGHero wrote:Caroline NA Server Masters He goes 6 pool and doesn't scout with overlord (sends it behind his mineral line actually) then when he sees that i 10 pool he cancels his 6 pool and drones and makes blind spines, its very very obvious watch replay.. http://drop.sc/359487
he's a hacker...faced him as well and did suspicious things
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Why do you actually post anything in this thread when nobody cares? The main post hasn't been changed for ages. Just give it up, save your time.
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On September 16 2013 06:34 SpeedyBozar wrote:
Why do you actually post anything in this thread when nobody cares? The main post hasn't been changed for ages. Just give it up, save your time.
Why do you actually post when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about? People do care, it helps others know if they're playing a hacker or not, and a few have been banned before.
Also, the irony of you telling others to save their time when you posted just to thwart a legitimate effort. Logic.
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On September 15 2013 09:07 MGHero wrote:
Caroline
NA Server
Masters
He goes 6 pool and doesn't scout with overlord (sends it behind his mineral line actually) then when he sees that i 10 pool he cancels his 6 pool and drones and makes blind spines, its very very obvious watch replay..
http://drop.sc/359487
he's a hacker...faced him as well and did suspicious things
I also played this guy. I thought he was hacking as well.
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On September 15 2013 06:17 Illias wrote:Name: Mercury ( http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2455728/1/Mercury/) Region: EU League: Masters - various "suicidle" forward blinks into areas he does not know if an army is waiting for him or not - questionable army positioning in front of his (not yet constructed) natural - 8:46 - microing his stalkers towards a mothershipcore he has no knowledge or vision of - 16:40-17:15 - various move commands barely outside of his field of vision while also moving the screen by moving his cursor to the side of the screen (if he's able to click this accurately on the minimap while moving his cursor to the edge of the screen and back to the exact same spot on the minimap in a fraction of a second he's a god) - also a very weird camera angle throughout that entire time period, he's mainly looking at empty space with only small parts of his army even on screen - generally odd playstyle/decision making based on the information he's been given; 1 base 4 gate blink + robo + forge + templar archive (all without any detection even tho he didn't get a glimpse at my main or natural for more than 7 minutes straight) into sending a probe to build an expansion at 16:30+ literally 2 seconds after my nexus shows up on the production tab and he's down to barely 1000 minerals in his main mineral line - no scouting throughout the entire game http://drop.sc/359441
I don't maphack, hell I even check this thread if I see someone play suspiscously and decided to check here after this guy called me a maphacker.
What you call the "suicidle" blinks are totally reasonable. I just caught you outside of my natural pushing me, killed a lot of your force and as I saw you warped in a zealot and retreating I was pretty sure that its not blink. So I can move forward to your base with confidence because I know you're behind on tech (at least for the next minute or so). An oracle could have called me off-guard because scouting is not a strong element of my build.
How is my army positioning questionable? Nonsense. Where are you supposed to stand? In your main so you get contained? (like you did?)
Move commands out of my field of vision? What the hell are you talking about?
I don't know what you mean by "weird camera angle" either. Couldn't find any of these "weird camera angles" you're talking about.
Odd playstyle? First of all it was a 3-Gate. (so I could keep up probe production and go into a longer game) PartinGs ProLeague blink-build to be exact. After I saw I couldn't break you I went for a Robo & Forge (because that's what you do in PvP lol)
And I built the expansion when I felt save against any upcoming push from you. I have been struggling in PvP to survive after containing my opponent for a longer period of time because he can just build up an army and kill me. And as you can see the fight was so close, that I couldn't have taken that expansion anytime sooner. (or maybe I'm just not good enough to do it)
No scouting throughout the entire game that is true. But as far as I'm concerned PvPs always go the same way so scouting isn't as important. Also my PvPs barely go over 10 minutes because I always play that particular blink build so I'm not that confident in PvP lategame.
And it's funny how at the end of the game you say "obvious maphack is obvious" yet almost all of the points you make can only be identified after watching the replay (not to forget that they're absolutely stupid).
You're welcome to watch my stream the next time I go online there:
http://twitch.tv/mercurycraft (too bad my Past Broadcasts have been deleted else this would've been a much easier "discussion")
On August 03 2013 22:04 MercuryCraft wrote:
Hi, in near future I want to request to have my stream listed here, but the rules say I have to change my name for it, so:
Please change my name to "MercuryCraft"
I don't maphack. You don't make any valid points. What you do is ragequit and call people maphackers apparently.
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On September 16 2013 07:05 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:34 SpeedyBozar wrote:
Why do you actually post anything in this thread when nobody cares? The main post hasn't been changed for ages. Just give it up, save your time. Why do you actually post when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about? People do care, it helps others know if they're playing a hacker or not, and a few have been banned before. Also, the irony of you telling others to save their time when you posted just to thwart a legitimate effort. Logic.
I posted a message about one hacker and he is not on the list. I am a nice guy telling others to save their time since I did not. Think about it.
User was warned for this post
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On September 16 2013 08:44 SpeedyBozar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 07:05 PanN wrote:On September 16 2013 06:34 SpeedyBozar wrote:
Why do you actually post anything in this thread when nobody cares? The main post hasn't been changed for ages. Just give it up, save your time. Why do you actually post when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about? People do care, it helps others know if they're playing a hacker or not, and a few have been banned before. Also, the irony of you telling others to save their time when you posted just to thwart a legitimate effort. Logic. I posted a message about one hacker and he is not on the list. I am a nice guy telling others to save their time since I did not. Think about it.
Just because it hasn't been updated in a long time doesn't mean it isn't useful to people. Just recently I was able to prove some guy who just joined my clan was a hacker because of the replays in this thread (which were not linked in the OP). The thread can also raise awareness. If I recognize someone from recent replays I'm not going to do something like open dts. Having their name on the list hasn't always gotten them banned in the past anyways.
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On September 16 2013 07:52 MercuryCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2013 06:17 Illias wrote:Name: Mercury ( http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2455728/1/Mercury/) Region: EU League: Masters - various "suicidle" forward blinks into areas he does not know if an army is waiting for him or not - questionable army positioning in front of his (not yet constructed) natural - 8:46 - microing his stalkers towards a mothershipcore he has no knowledge or vision of - 16:40-17:15 - various move commands barely outside of his field of vision while also moving the screen by moving his cursor to the side of the screen (if he's able to click this accurately on the minimap while moving his cursor to the edge of the screen and back to the exact same spot on the minimap in a fraction of a second he's a god) - also a very weird camera angle throughout that entire time period, he's mainly looking at empty space with only small parts of his army even on screen - generally odd playstyle/decision making based on the information he's been given; 1 base 4 gate blink + robo + forge + templar archive (all without any detection even tho he didn't get a glimpse at my main or natural for more than 7 minutes straight) into sending a probe to build an expansion at 16:30+ literally 2 seconds after my nexus shows up on the production tab and he's down to barely 1000 minerals in his main mineral line - no scouting throughout the entire game http://drop.sc/359441 I don't maphack, hell I even check this thread if I see someone play suspiscously and decided to check here after this guy called me a maphacker. What you call the "suicidle" blinks are totally reasonable. I just caught you outside of my natural pushing me, killed a lot of your force and as I saw you warped in a zealot and retreating I was pretty sure that its not blink. So I can move forward to your base with confidence because I know you're behind on tech (at least for the next minute or so). An oracle could have called me off-guard because scouting is not a strong element of my build. How is my army positioning questionable? Nonsense. Where are you supposed to stand? In your main so you get contained? (like you did?) Move commands out of my field of vision? What the hell are you talking about? I don't know what you mean by "weird camera angle" either. Couldn't find any of these "weird camera angles" you're talking about. Odd playstyle? First of all it was a 3-Gate. (so I could keep up probe production and go into a longer game) PartinGs ProLeague blink-build to be exact. After I saw I couldn't break you I went for a Robo & Forge (because that's what you do in PvP lol) And I built the expansion when I felt save against any upcoming push from you. I have been struggling in PvP to survive after containing my opponent for a longer period of time because he can just build up an army and kill me. And as you can see the fight was so close, that I couldn't have taken that expansion anytime sooner. (or maybe I'm just not good enough to do it) No scouting throughout the entire game that is true. But as far as I'm concerned PvPs always go the same way so scouting isn't as important. Also my PvPs barely go over 10 minutes because I always play that particular blink build so I'm not that confident in PvP lategame. And it's funny how at the end of the game you say "obvious maphack is obvious" yet almost all of the points you make can only be identified after watching the replay (not to forget that they're absolutely stupid). You're welcome to watch my stream the next time I go online there: http://twitch.tv/mercurycraft (too bad my Past Broadcasts have been deleted else this would've been a much easier "discussion") Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 22:04 MercuryCraft wrote:
Hi, in near future I want to request to have my stream listed here, but the rules say I have to change my name for it, so:
Please change my name to "MercuryCraft" I don't maphack. You don't make any valid points. What you do is ragequit and call people maphackers apparently.
I watched the replay in your vision and I certainly agree that there are many suspicious things.
Like:
- you don't know which build he's doing, you go for a zealot stalker stalker, but you don't use them to scout around the map. There could be a proxy stargate, or a push incoming, but you don't even scout around your bases with a stalker, or proxy locations with your MScore. You're either really bad, either really confident you don't play against pressure.
- when you usually play blink, you want to be at your opponent's natural at the very moment blink finishes, so that you can pressure asap. But for some weird reason, you're still defensive in your main. Wait, your opponent has stalkers around your nat. But you're not supposed to know that.
- at 8'26 after you countered his attack, you directly go at his proxy pylon, between your nat and third, to kill it. Here's the disturbing part: you don't even check the closer locations, like behind the minerals at your nat.
- at 14'25, seconds before his colossus is finished and he's able to bust out your contain, you decide to pull out for no visible reason ( incredible timing here ).
- at 15', your stalkers were retreating and passing by your natural when you suddenly changed their direction to intercept a warp prism that was nearby ( which you had no vision of ).
- in the final fight you go for a prism + double immo drop to counter his colossus. You haven't seen his colossus tech so far. Putting immos in a prism and bringing it with your army makes no sense unless you know a push with a colossus is coming. And again, you're doing it at the perfect timing, blind.
No scouting throughout the entire game that is true. But as far as I'm concerned PvPs always go the same way so scouting isn't as important.
Lolmao. You're going for a blink build, you don't scout anything and you're not afraid of DTs ? Listen, when you're doing a blink build, you have to do at least one of those three things if you don't want to lose:
- scout and confirm you're not playing against DTs
- make a forge before 6'
- make a robo before 6'
You did neither. If your opponent had gone for DTs, it would have been a BO loss.
Just like it would have been a BO loss if he had gone for a fast expand with a robo. You didn't send a probe between 5' and 6' to see if he expanded.
If you're playing at master's level, you should perfectly know how common DT or robo expand builds are, so your justification for not scouting makes no sense.
"PvPs always go the same", what a convenient excuse. Especially when your replay is full of weird coincidences and lucky timings.
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Look man, this is the build I play every single PvP:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414344
I wait for one warp-in round at home and then move out (so does my probe to build a forward pylon for the 2nd warp-in round).
I don't really give a fuck if you think I'm really really bad or not. I just hate PvP and this is what I play every game.
I checked for pylons, of course I did. I knew for a fact that the pylon was on the right side because his reinforcements were coming from there. Why would I not check for pylons there? 3 Zealots in my eco while I'm pressuring him is not something good.
I even sent in a stalker to scout what his follow-up was. A maphacker would totally do that.
I pull back from the contain as my +1 finishes to join my armies. Besides, it wouldn't really have mattered if he busted out my contain because I could have simply blinked away.
At 15' I go down to check proxy pylons on the right side (common spot is down at the 3rd) and find a warp-prism which leads me to believe that there were no other pylons out. Why else would he position a warp-prism there?
I put the immos in the prism to drop them in his base, to snipe maybe a forge and bring his army out of position, to snipe his expansion and pull back. Saw White-Ra do it on stream and a few other pros do it in tournaments. Works really well.
I attack at that particular time because that's when I start my expansion. I figured attacking while getting the expansion up and then sniping the expansion of your opponent is a good move.
And as you say, it would have been BO loss against DTs. If I play against DTs first (and forget to scout with my MsCore as I did in this game) I just simply leave. I don't really care that much because, as I said, I hate PvP.
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Hello guys,
This is a map hacker sure, his name is [CSN]DoubleG.
Predicts every move, every drop, my opening w/o scouting anything.
The biggest alarm bell was when i watched the replay and saw that he was looking on my base w/o scouting (looking on fog of war).
Replay: http://drop.sc/359637
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On September 16 2013 21:43 MercuryCraft wrote:Look man, this is the build I play every single PvP: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414344I wait for one warp-in round at home and then move out (so does my probe to build a forward pylon for the 2nd warp-in round). I don't really give a fuck if you think I'm really really bad or not. I just hate PvP and this is what I play every game. I checked for pylons, of course I did. I knew for a fact that the pylon was on the right side because his reinforcements were coming from there. Why would I not check for pylons there? 3 Zealots in my eco while I'm pressuring him is not something good. I even sent in a stalker to scout what his follow-up was. A maphacker would totally do that. I pull back from the contain as my +1 finishes to join my armies. Besides, it wouldn't really have mattered if he busted out my contain because I could have simply blinked away. At 15' I go down to check proxy pylons on the right side (common spot is down at the 3rd) and find a warp-prism which leads me to believe that there were no other pylons out. Why else would he position a warp-prism there? I put the immos in the prism to drop them in his base, to snipe maybe a forge and bring his army out of position, to snipe his expansion and pull back. Saw White-Ra do it on stream and a few other pros do it in tournaments. Works really well. I attack at that particular time because that's when I start my expansion. I figured attacking while getting the expansion up and then sniping the expansion of your opponent is a good move. And as you say, it would have been BO loss against DTs. If I play against DTs first (and forget to scout with my MsCore as I did in this game) I just simply leave. I don't really care that much because, as I said, I hate PvP.
Okay, but you realize the number of coincidences in this game is insane ?
At 15', your stalkers suddenly change direction when his prism is deployed. That's not you sending stalkers around to check proxy pylons. That's you changing your army movement at the exact timing to intercept a prism.
You say you're putting immos in a prism to go harass, but you actually bring them with your army. That's not the correct behavior for harassing, you'd normally send the prism on the right side of the map then in the back of his main. Here you got them into the prism along with your army, again right at the moment he's attacking.
The whole game is full of coincidences like that, you not scouting, and having the luck of not getting hard countered by DTs or FE, which are like 50% of the builds on ladder. I don't mind a couple of coincidences in a game, that happens all the time, but in that game everything seems to go your way and your answer is just "I was lucky / I'm gambling it's PvP I don't care". How can you expect people not to find this suspicious ? Anyway, I've done my analysis, the replay is here for everybody to download and make their own opinion.
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On September 16 2013 14:52 TechNoTrance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 08:44 SpeedyBozar wrote:On September 16 2013 07:05 PanN wrote:On September 16 2013 06:34 SpeedyBozar wrote:
Why do you actually post anything in this thread when nobody cares? The main post hasn't been changed for ages. Just give it up, save your time. Why do you actually post when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about? People do care, it helps others know if they're playing a hacker or not, and a few have been banned before. Also, the irony of you telling others to save their time when you posted just to thwart a legitimate effort. Logic. I posted a message about one hacker and he is not on the list. I am a nice guy telling others to save their time since I did not. Think about it. Just because it hasn't been updated in a long time doesn't mean it isn't useful to people. Just recently I was able to prove some guy who just joined my clan was a hacker because of the replays in this thread (which were not linked in the OP). The thread can also raise awareness. If I recognize someone from recent replays I'm not going to do something like open dts. Having their name on the list hasn't always gotten them banned in the past anyways.
It would be useful if the main post was being updated once in a while. Not once in a year. Like this nobody is gonna go through 2000 comments to find out if someone is a hacker.
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On September 15 2013 11:21 S2Lunar wrote:Hacker name: llllllllllll Server: na Rank: Masters Replay: http://drop.sc/359493zero explanation needed. the most obvious hacker ive ever played. disgusting
On September 16 2013 21:48 dohgg wrote:Hello guys, This is a map hacker sure, his name is [CSN]DoubleG. Predicts every move, every drop, my opening w/o scouting anything. The biggest alarm bell was when i watched the replay and saw that he was looking on my base w/o scouting (looking on fog of war). Replay: http://drop.sc/359637
If you don't bother to write timestamp down, how could we want to look through 20replays and don't know what to look for ?
Zero explanation needed is for me => zero watching.
Explain a little more please if you want people to watch it.
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taking a long break from tl.
i'm sure mods will delegate this thread to a worthy successor if one appears.
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