EPTGM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating th…
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody. Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence. | ||
|
heaveshade
China330 Posts
| ||
|
Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
| ||
|
Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
| ||
|
heaveshade
China330 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:39 Egomancer wrote: J_EU - at minute 17.38 on the minimap the guy can see 6 different spots NOT the protoss army which is a red ball. SO what he sees there is ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE ARMY, which means that your point is not valid. 6 different spots on the minimap means 6 zealots or 6 phoenixes, all the other units tend to clump together. Furthermore, he actually attacks BEFORE the spots appear on the minimap... After killing the rocks, his army was sent to the place between 3rd and natural, then he notice something at toss's 4th. He attacks after that. | ||
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:46 captainwaffles wrote: MeGo Masters Zerg on NA currently 76-12 with sub 90 apm and can see stuff in the fog of war when he has no spotters. http://drop.sc/354445 http://www.sc2ranks.com/character/us/3043984/MeGo/hots/1v1 Funny thing I still won that game. His overlord positionning makes no sense at all. 5:55 He looks at the reaper in the fog of war 6:28 He goes for the third but... could be normal. I'm doing that too (but i scout). 7:16 Goes for the reaper he doesn't see. Could be luck. On second thought no. it's NOT LUCK. He split his zergling in case you jump down. Before seeing the reapers. 10:ish. He moves back all his zerglings to his main waiting for the drop. 12:40 Drop intercepted. (And just saw he moved his queen way before to intercept). 13:50ish : he goes directly where the dropship come. Then get back top of his 3rd and then attack move on the post of the dropship 15:50ish. Is that a camera lock ? 17:50 intercept unlucky hellbats 18:05 click on hellions in fow 18:25 Damn hellbat is like : "how did you know i was there". I would not play Hide and Seek with MeGo... 20:20 Hide and seek with hellbats. MeGo won. 21:25 I think there is a hellion and a hellbat behind that fow... 25:31 his ENTIRE army plays hide and seek with marines. Ok i'm gonna stop there. MeGo is cleary a very strong hide and seek player. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 00:23 Faust852 wrote: Tarpaud, also known as Attàx or Yeshira. He already has some post here about him, one from NarutO. This guy has been suspicious since more than a year, and recently, he has been caught maphacking during a major event in France, the Championat Francophone. One of the moderator of the event (+streamer) has showed some replays on the stream with 3k viewers at the time, it's was blattant that he maphacks. My bad. From now on i will not say : "he is or he is not". I will just point out things. Also this was my first attempt AcieDeucie vs LionHear Sorry i dl a bunch of those replay. I will not be quoting posts. + Show Spoiler [Battle Report] + We have ourselves a game on Whirlwind with LionHeart the mighty protoss in the top right position and AcieDeucie in the top left position. The zerg scouts right directly which is good for him ! Droning and probing occurs with absolutly no scouting from the protoss player. Which is odd but occurs. LionHeart fast expands and build the mamacore in order to have his loads of photon when needed. The first two zerglings arrive at the door of the protoss who use premonition power to intercept the zerglings. While zerg is building a roach warren. The protoss decide to expand without knowing even the position of his oppenents. Which is odd but can happen. 9:44 Zerg throws hydra den. 9:46 Protoss throws robotic support bay 10:15 Zerg throws Spire 10:25 Double Stargates 11:30 Hillarious failed warping doesn't kill the overseer. 12:10 Protoss starts phenix production while zerg do mutas. It's like the protoss KNOWS ! 12:20 Protoss throw canons ! it's like he knows.... 17:20 Hilariously. Protoss A Move his ENTIRE army in his third. The use his mighty power to sense a burrowed zergling. He immediatly make 2 observer. One for the zergling. And another for i assume, scouting the base of his opponents. Maybe he is wondering. Hum... there is a lot of zerg on this map. maybe they have a base somewhere... 17:40 While he know his entire army will not be necessary at his third to kill one zergling, he goes back to his main ! Luckily for him, there is an attack from zerg ! 19:00 He waits for the second observer to pop out because you actually need too to spot a zergling. 19:10 because he senses mutalisks ! He send his army to his natural. That's the starsense we all admire ! 20:00 The protoss tries the Jaedong move and stuck his probes behind his zealots ! 20:45 DT are marching as one to kill something on the minimap then attack move in base he supposed are there (because whirlwind is crossed only right ?) 21:50 proceed to lose army to collector"s edition ultralisk And then it was not funny so i stoped | ||
|
J_EU
47 Posts
17:34 - He is spreading creep, first stalkers arrive over the ling aswell, no indications of any attacks 17:35 to 37 - As refering to the minimap, more units enters that area. Its safe to assume at diamond+ level that its not phoenixes due to the speed, or a clump of drones. Its at 17:35 his attacks starts, based of minimapactivity, its a totally legit assumption the Z is doing. I wont make any claims about the amount of "dots on the minimap", since thats infact rather irrelevant. What he sees is your phoenixes arriving, with some other stuff a few moments later. Assuming that it is your army, without looking at it is totally legit, this even happend at silverleague ... Your argument that it might be zealots is ofc a valid one, but also, if assuming the Z maphacks as you state, why didnt he retract his attack at the time you were returning back home? Also the statement that he attacks before the dots appear, is totally false, he attacks after looking at them and giving it a second or 2 to consider on it. The 17:38 is a referencepoint, not directly the point in time where he sees stuff, you really gotta look a few seconds +/- according to it. We can atleast agree on that part right? | ||
|
AcieDeucie
Luxembourg16 Posts
So to answer your questions: On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: Well here it goes: - min 8.00 zerg randomly makes 16 zerlings without scouting my base, without scouting that i have a 3rd coming, just blindly I had almost full saturation on my 2 bases and only had 1 ling on the map. Which I used to scout for pylons. So I made a few lings to have some mapcontrol, to scout your third and possibly delay any moveout. As on whirlwind the third is hard to hold for protoss its never a mistake to make some lings. I can either harass the third/natural if the protoss expands or delay a 2 base all-in. And why would I wait to make lings until the cannon is almost done and not right after you build the Nexus? On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 11.40 makes 15 mutas AFTER he scouted double starport, which means that he knows that I do not have phoenixes which obviously means that he is maphacking. Why would you make 15 mutas when the enemy has 2 starports? Can anyone please answer this question? As you can see by the upgrades I chose. I planned to go mutas from beginning(if I can). So when I saw the robo I knew I could go for mutas. I made the hydra den to be safe and cancelled afterwards since at that point I was already committed to mutas due to not having upgrades for range attack. Also my spire was almost done when I scouted the stargates. So there was an opportunity to get the upperhand in the air battle and to snipe the pylon powering the gates or killing the gates themselves. And as I said I was committed, there was no point in changing my strat. On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 12.00 takes 4th without scouting my army - which means that he knows what army I have which means mpahack. Look at his vision, he never scouts the back of my base I took my 4th at 11:20. Since u were on 3 I needed a 4th. I only delayed it in order to get the mutas out in time. And I dont know what u mean with "he never scouts the back of my base". I saw everything. Yes I didnt scout your army. But theres no need to as I saw all the tech. The composition is for me at that point relatively unimportant. And yeah just look at what you scouted until that point: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://abload.de/img/lionheartugx3c.jpg) On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 14.38 attack to my 3rd without scouting my army - once more I assume being a maphacker he knows where it is so he does not worry. It is normal to poke around with a mobile army in order to find holes in the defense. Also, I saw your whole army in your mineral line at the natural. Theres a bit of time between me seeing your army in your natural and attacking your third but as I said I was mainly poking around and could have easily pulled back if there would have been any units. On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 14.40 to min 18 he does not attack because I have more food than him so he knows that he might loose - a clear sign of maphacking. Just please note that he DOES NOT SCOUT WHAT I DO FOR 4 MINUTES and blindcouters me. I keep making mutas and teching up without committing to any new tech. So wheres the blindcounter? Besides that I scout your base at 16:30 with an Overseer and saw Void ray and Colossus production, why would I stop making mutas then? On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 17.30 I move out the map with my 171 food army HE DOES NOT SCOUT THE MOVE but the same time he attacks my secondary. Is this because of his maphack? Couldn't be, he just does the build with the min 17.30 attack on the secondary, right? I saw your phoenixes with the burrowed lings at my 4th and even more points on the minimap. So there was no risk for me in losing my mutas(at that point u dont care about lings). Also I kept poking in order to buy time to get my ultras out. On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 19 - another attack without vision and scouting and everything while the army was away. At the moment I was pretty pissed off because I was loosing like that, but now the more I look at this replay the more I think this guy is actually maphacking. He kills my drones and from this point forward the game is lost. I was poking with the mutas as I did the whole game long(unless when I was macroing). Dont know what about that is supposed to be suspicious. On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: If you look at the replay and you see that the ZERG IS NOT SCOUTING ME and blindcountering me and attacks exactly at the spots where the army is NOT is a clear sign of maphacking. So this zerg actually looks suspicious to me if you ask me... I mean the attack at minute 17.30 looks highly suspicious, you just amove all that you got into the protoss secondary without previous scouting? Really? This is how you get to masters? I just keep playing a normal ling/muta style. None of my attacks was risky as I was always watching my units. And loosing a few lings here and there surely is nothing unusual. But yeah thx for pointing out my lack of scouting: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://abload.de/img/lionheart29xlgv.jpg) http://abload.de/image.php?img=lionheart29xlgv.jpg I hope this answers your "doubts". If theres still anything unclear feel free to ask. Also I have no problem in uploading my replays. I rage from time to time but I'm not a hacker. Edit: Egomancer wrote: J_EU - at minute 17.38 on the minimap the guy can see 6 different spots NOT the protoss army which is a red ball. SO what he sees there is ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE ARMY, which means that your point is not valid. 6 different spots on the minimap means 6 zealots or 6 phoenixes, all the other units tend to clump together. Furthermore, he actually attacks BEFORE the spots appear on the minimap... As your units have different movement speed and have to go through chokes to go there, it is a normal assumption to make that the dots are your army as I was expecting you to take a 4th and move your army to it in order to defend it or in order to kill the ling(as you can not see very far with burrowed lings I had no way in knowing if there was a probe who tried to build a Nexus or not). And as I said before there was no risk for me in poking. No point in trying to distract from yourself by accusing me. | ||
|
Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
His play is as suspect as mine, I mean really look how rarely he scouts me - like 3 times in the first 20 minutes, but he perfectly counters me.. More than that, he always attacks where I am not without any scout. Does this look suspicious to you? Of course not... Why not? Dunno ? I mean you just a move your 200/200 army into something not scouted because you saw 6 dots on the minimap - once more, he does not go woth camera there to check what units are there... I guess this is the reason why I do not progress - I prefer to scout before attack... | ||
|
J_EU
47 Posts
B) He do put his camera there right before, so he allready knew what was there, and what wasnt (you clashed a few seconds before that) C) He scouts alot of times, there is even changeling in your main that you never kill D) Your sending DT without scouting, you said you prefer to scout? If it dont make any sense to you, you might wanna start looking at stuff differently. If you hover 5k minerals, assuming your enemy is out of position based on what you see on the minimap is totally viable. Lings are just for that, counterattack, sometimes it works, sometimes it dont. Changing point of view also might help you progress, if you actually understand why people do the stuff they do. Anyhow the discussion is rather pointless, you will always point out something that is trying to switch focus, without answering the question other ask about your play. | ||
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
 Also i love the mutas intereception If i knew how i would make a video with just the minimap and the benny hill song. LionHeart is OBVIOUSLY AND BLANTANTLY really good at hide and seek. On August 17 2013 00:04 Egomancer wrote: Dustin, Why does the zerg attempt the runby at min 17.40? Can you please answer me that question? I mean he does not scout where my army is just puts all his army on one control and attacks my secondary. Please tell me why does he do that? Maybe because he has a maphack and knows where I am ? No one answers this simple question... OH I WILL EXPLAIN ! He sees your army on his ling at the fourth. So he attacks ! He saw dots. He moves his army CLOSER to your base. Not in it. He moves in it just when your army is on his lings. Now can you explain to me why you warp in things to block your ramp ? Because you have NOT SEEN the runby Or WHY you just right click your ENTIRE ARMY just where his lings are ? Can you ? i would love to hear what you have to say ! | ||
|
Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
 | ||
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:07 Nyast wrote: Wow, Egomancer, what are you ? 13 ? At least behave like an adult and be responsible for your actions. You played, you got caught, I just don't see how you can keep denying it and distracting attention from you by calling others hackers when there's such an amount of evidence against you. At this point, you should realize you're fooling nobody anymore That's too bad. I was hopping he would respond ! he was such fun ! | ||
|
Jade
Poland289 Posts
| ||
|
FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 16 2013 19:46 Egomancer wrote: This guy is himslef actually the maphacker. I generally do not post on this thread because I just feed the trolls, but now this is getting hilarious because I loose games because of maphackers AND I am accused of maphacking the same post. SO here it goes: -min 6.10 I put DT shrine down, at min 6.30 he puts down to ebays - maybe because he knows that DTs are coming? Also look at the turret placements over his base. - 7.30 scan over my base positioned so he sees my "hidden" dt shrine. Note that it is not centered on the nexus but rather to get all the buildings in the scan. He never previously scouted so he could not know that I have buildings there. Furthermore he scouts the warpPrism spawning. Best scan ever, really. If I would have scans like that I would never ever loose. - 9.20 I land 2 DTs in his base, he does not see the DTs landing, does not know that they have landed. DTs are on hold position so he absolutely can not know they are there. What does he do, SCANS at min 11 (100 seconds later) and kills them. Once more, this guy is going to be grandmaster soon based on a scan 100 seconds later (basically a radom scan in his base) on 2 dts that are on hold position in his base and do nothing, he does not see them, does not know that they are there and so on. - 12.00 Second scan in my secondary, spot on the army.... I know that a drop is coming (he says that I blindly move my army to third base and this is why) -12.13 Sends a double drop to my third, but wait ... he NEVER SCOUTED IT... maphack anyone? - 15.35 Third scan on my 2 pylons in front of my maps. I mean really, what can be more obvious than that? He scanned 3 times this game, EVERYTIME spot on my army and last scan is basically random as I could have had the army anywhere on the map. - 15.35 My 4th goes down, instantly sends a marine to scout it .The rest is just me owning him.... He accuses me that I select my army and my mothership core, but I checked the replay (obviously I do not remember all that I do in everygame) and I react AFTER I see his marines at min 6.39, so please explain me where is the maphack - just check my vision at min 6.40. As for the army position at min 12.30 - after he scans at min 12 I know a drop is coming and KNOWING that he is a maphacker I move to my new third. It really is a sorry day for this game when obvious maphackers accuse other of maphacking and Blizzard has to do something about it, really!!! I love the bold part. The guy scan and you say he maphacks. But how do you know... Because you saw the ebays. (if it was a maphacker he would have build one. Not two. He is going bio). 7minute scan is really ok. And for the DT that is NOT a money scan. He "wobbles" his screen to see the shadow of the DT (that you REALLY WELL can see on this tileset) You mean the drop that you intercept PERFECTLY because you move your whole army 20seconds before he hits your third ? | ||
|
Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
I had almost full saturation on my 2 bases and only had 1 ling on the map. Which I used to scout for pylons. So I made a few lings to have some mapcontrol, to scout your third and possibly delay any moveout. As on whirlwind the third is hard to hold for protoss its never a mistake to make some lings. I can either harass the third/natural if the protoss expands or delay a 2 base all-in. And why would I wait to make lings until the cannon is almost done and not right after you build the Nexus? In other words you do not have any particular reason to make them, you just do it.... As you can see by the upgrades I chose. I planned to go mutas from beginning(if I can). So when I saw the robo I knew I could go for mutas. I made the hydra den to be safe and cancelled afterwards since at that point I was already committed to mutas due to not having upgrades for range attack. Also my spire was almost done when I scouted the stargates. So there was an opportunity to get the upperhand in the air battle and to snipe the pylon powering the gates or killing the gates themselves. And as I said I was committed, there was no point in changing my strat. Well, I do the same, the strat with robo into 2 starports, this is what I always wanted to do.... I took my 4th at 11:20. Since u were on 3 I needed a 4th. I only delayed it in order to get the mutas out in time. And I dont know what u mean with "he never scouts the back of my base". I saw everything. Yes I didnt scout your army. But theres no need to as I saw all the tech. The composition is for me at that point relatively unimportant. And yeah just look at what you scouted until that point: Same goes for me, I saw only zertglings so I knew you will go muta.... On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 14.38 attack to my 3rd without scouting my army - once more I assume being a maphacker he knows where it is so he does not worry. It is normal to poke around with a mobile army in order to find holes in the defense. Also, I saw your whole army in your mineral line at the natural. Theres a bit of time between me seeing your army in your natural and attacking your third but as I said I was mainly poking around and could have easily pulled back if there would have been any units. Well, you are correct, same goes for me, it is normal to spawn zealots to fill the gap at the entry (to defend), it is normal to purify the nexus just before the mutas come - just to defend in case they come, you know.... On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 14.40 to min 18 he does not attack because I have more food than him so he knows that he might loose - a clear sign of maphacking. Just please note that he DOES NOT SCOUT WHAT I DO FOR 4 MINUTES and blindcouters me. I saw your phoenixes with the burrowed lings at my 4th and even more points on the minimap. So there was no risk for me in losing my mutas(at that point u dont care about lings). Also I kept poking in order to buy time to get my ultras out. You did not see them, you just saw 6 dots on the minimap and you attack.... Also there are no "even more points on the minimap" - that is a lie... I was poking with the mutas as I did the whole game long(unless when I was macroing). Dont know what about that is supposed to be suspicious. Sure, nothing is suspicious, except the fact that you poke exactly where the army is NOT!!! | ||
|
Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:20 FFW_Rude wrote: I love the bold part. The guy scan and you say he maphacks. But how do you know... Because you saw the ebays. (if it was a maphacker he would have build one. Not two. He is going bio). 7minute scan is really ok. And for the DT that is NOT a money scan. He "wobbles" his screen to see the shadow of the DT (that you REALLY WELL can see on this tileset) You mean the drop that you intercept PERFECTLY because you move your whole army 20seconds before he hits your third ? So basically you say that there is nothing suspicious in a game where the terran scans exactly 3 times and those scans are: 1. hidden tech 2. some dts in his base that do not do damage and he can not see 3. the army randomly on the map ... Well, what can I say then...the guy is a genious and does not maphack... | ||
|
J_EU
47 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:30 Egomancer wrote: + Show Spoiler + I had almost full saturation on my 2 bases and only had 1 ling on the map. Which I used to scout for pylons. So I made a few lings to have some mapcontrol, to scout your third and possibly delay any moveout. As on whirlwind the third is hard to hold for protoss its never a mistake to make some lings. I can either harass the third/natural if the protoss expands or delay a 2 base all-in. And why would I wait to make lings until the cannon is almost done and not right after you build the Nexus? In other words you do not have any particular reason to make them, you just do it.... Didnt he just tell why he made lings? Or was it just me that saw that? + Show Spoiler + As you can see by the upgrades I chose. I planned to go mutas from beginning(if I can). So when I saw the robo I knew I could go for mutas. I made the hydra den to be safe and cancelled afterwards since at that point I was already committed to mutas due to not having upgrades for range attack. Also my spire was almost done when I scouted the stargates. So there was an opportunity to get the upperhand in the air battle and to snipe the pylon powering the gates or killing the gates themselves. And as I said I was committed, there was no point in changing my strat. Well, I do the same, the strat with robo into 2 starports, this is what I always wanted to do.... Most strats involves using techbuildings, sadly but true, when P chooses a path, theyre more committed than Z, thats more how the mechanics works, they usuallly cant switch it all up on a dime like Z more or less can + Show Spoiler + I took my 4th at 11:20. Since u were on 3 I needed a 4th. I only delayed it in order to get the mutas out in time. And I dont know what u mean with "he never scouts the back of my base". I saw everything. Yes I didnt scout your army. But theres no need to as I saw all the tech. The composition is for me at that point relatively unimportant. And yeah just look at what you scouted until that point: Same goes for me, I saw only zertglings so I knew you will go muta.... You cant know, how did you know if so? There are a few routes a Z can take thats gasintensive, assuming mutas at that level imo just show a lack of understanding how Z works. Even i as plat knows Z can do alot more than just Mutas when they arent showing theyre gasunits ... + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 14.38 attack to my 3rd without scouting my army - once more I assume being a maphacker he knows where it is so he does not worry. It is normal to poke around with a mobile army in order to find holes in the defense. Also, I saw your whole army in your mineral line at the natural. Theres a bit of time between me seeing your army in your natural and attacking your third but as I said I was mainly poking around and could have easily pulled back if there would have been any units. Well, you are correct, same goes for me, it is normal to spawn zealots to fill the gap at the entry (to defend), it is normal to purify the nexus just before the mutas come - just to defend in case they come, you know.... I totally agree, its normal to put in 1 zealot to fill in a gap, not 5. And its not that much for a defence more than just a safety, you clearly did it to defend while your army was enroute back home. No decent P waste 400 minerals to "fill a gap" like you did, is that something you do all the time at random? + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 20:34 Egomancer wrote: - min 14.40 to min 18 he does not attack because I have more food than him so he knows that he might loose - a clear sign of maphacking. Just please note that he DOES NOT SCOUT WHAT I DO FOR 4 MINUTES and blindcouters me. I cant tbh see the big techswitch, please point that out for me please so that i can get a better understanding of the game, i also need to improve + Show Spoiler + I saw your phoenixes with the burrowed lings at my 4th and even more points on the minimap. So there was no risk for me in losing my mutas(at that point u dont care about lings). Also I kept poking in order to buy time to get my ultras out. You did not see them, you just saw 6 dots on the minimap and you attack.... Also there are no "even more points on the minimap" - that is a lie... This ive allready replied to in a previouse post, that you blatantly overlooked. I dont have much skills in making a video, but if you really want, i could make one that shows whats showing on the minimap, what he sees etc, if you are unable to see it your selfe that is + Show Spoiler + I was poking with the mutas as I did the whole game long(unless when I was macroing). Dont know what about that is supposed to be suspicious. Sure, nothing is suspicious, except the fact that you poke exactly where the army is NOT!!! Cmon ... you reveal your army more times then you make probes almost ... an army cant magically move around all the map at all time, you should know that. And lings mid/lategame has that function, to poke around fast looking for openings. | ||
|
NbForLife
France14 Posts
So, i have checked a little about Egomancer, he's team owner of New Rosoft, probably biggest team in Roumania ! They have player like Welmu, KrasS... you can see the players list here : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/NewRoSoft I dont know what i have to say or not... Tell me if im wrong or not. | ||
|
matheus
Brazil5 Posts
League:master Race:protoss Region:NA http://drop.sc/354480 | ||
|
Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
What can I say, if you want to believe that I am maphacking be my guest, I think I will not loose more time with this. So enjoy... Oh, and BTW, I was streaming like 90% of the time when I was "maphacking". Over and out... | ||
| ||
rotoss
