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ScLight
United States26 Posts
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Duckvillelol
Australia1228 Posts
On August 16 2013 04:39 coldscars wrote: played lionheart few days ago, i smashed him pretty hard with wm drops into 2base pressure, didnt look like he knew anything would be coming Gotta remember though; a lot of maphackers are just terrible players who want to try and validate themselves by winning through whatever it takes. I've played against 2 maphackers (figured out after watching the replay) and there were just terrible players, mechanically and strategically. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 16 2013 10:02 ZAiNs wrote: Haven't seen your replay, but I just played (and beat haha) this guy and I'm 99% sure he was maphacking. Pretty much everything you described happened in my game. Luckily he sucked really badly and lost fights any ways  .http://drop.sc/354410 He had terrible micro indeed. It just so happens I did an early rush that cut probes. | ||
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AlaStOrSC
Spain28 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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DiElosty
Norway5 Posts
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
http://drop.sc/354445 http://www.sc2ranks.com/character/us/3043984/MeGo/hots/1v1 Funny thing I still won that game. | ||
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flor
Finland3 Posts
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
On August 16 2013 03:07 Mayhemia- wrote: Description: - No scout at all - 6:40 He selects mothership core and expects the marines to come in sight, then he right away does PO. Just look at his camera. Not normal. - First unit to cross my side of the map is Warp prism @ 8 minutes - 12:20 moves his whole army to intercept my drop @ third without slightest vision of anything - 18:00 between 20:00 look at his army movement in relation to my army movement, without vision. Yeah, he's a hacker most likely. At least can't explain those moves when coupled with the rest of the field who think he hacks. Also he accuses me of maphacking all game long. So, there's that as well.  This guy is himslef actually the maphacker. I generally do not post on this thread because I just feed the trolls, but now this is getting hilarious because I loose games because of maphackers AND I am accused of maphacking the same post. SO here it goes: -min 6.10 I put DT shrine down, at min 6.30 he puts down to ebays - maybe because he knows that DTs are coming? Also look at the turret placements over his base. - 7.30 scan over my base positioned so he sees my "hidden" dt shrine. Note that it is not centered on the nexus but rather to get all the buildings in the scan. He never previously scouted so he could not know that I have buildings there. Furthermore he scouts the warpPrism spawning. Best scan ever, really. If I would have scans like that I would never ever loose. - 9.20 I land 2 DTs in his base, he does not see the DTs landing, does not know that they have landed. DTs are on hold position so he absolutely can not know they are there. What does he do, SCANS at min 11 (100 seconds later) and kills them. Once more, this guy is going to be grandmaster soon based on a scan 100 seconds later (basically a radom scan in his base) on 2 dts that are on hold position in his base and do nothing, he does not see them, does not know that they are there and so on. - 12.00 Second scan in my secondary, spot on the army.... I know that a drop is coming (he says that I blindly move my army to third base and this is why) -12.13 Sends a double drop to my third, but wait ... he NEVER SCOUTED IT... maphack anyone? - 15.35 Third scan on my 2 pylons in front of my maps. I mean really, what can be more obvious than that? He scanned 3 times this game, EVERYTIME spot on my army and last scan is basically random as I could have had the army anywhere on the map. - 15.35 My 4th goes down, instantly sends a marine to scout it .The rest is just me owning him.... He accuses me that I select my army and my mothership core, but I checked the replay (obviously I do not remember all that I do in everygame) and I react AFTER I see his marines at min 6.39, so please explain me where is the maphack - just check my vision at min 6.40. As for the army position at min 12.30 - after he scans at min 12 I know a drop is coming and KNOWING that he is a maphacker I move to my new third. It really is a sorry day for this game when obvious maphackers accuse other of maphacking and Blizzard has to do something about it, really!!! | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
On August 16 2013 04:00 Nyast wrote: I remembered this thread, so I decided to go for a very agressive build to see how he'd react. Here are the results: - 5'15: chronoes a stalker without scouting that I'm arriving with 2 zealots and 2 stalkers. It makes no sense to go for a 3 gate build and to suddenly chrono a stalker in the middle of it like that. - 5'25: his camera jumps at my army at his natural right before he has vision of it. He has his army already pre-selected too. If it was an isolated incident it could have been a coincidence, but in the light of the 2 previous posters, I have no doubt he's indeed hacking. First of all I scout 2 gateways which means an aggresive build and I had just ONE gateway so I had to chrono the stalkers. I chrono my stalker when I have the energy. If you look at my build I just do a standard 3 gateway build, nothing out of normal, I mean 100% standard. What I am asking myself is how some people actually get to masters if they do not understand the game... There is no camera jump at min 5.25 - I put the camera on his army when it is in my vision, if you could please check it and let me know maybe I am going insane... So please anyone check that replay and tell me if I am maphacking, I mean there is nothing really weird on any player. Ohh, and BTW he actually wins, I assume that if I maphacked I would have won... | ||
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
On August 16 2013 05:06 Mayhemia- wrote: Yeeea, well I'm gonna run with benefit of doubt since I'm not stupid enough to report hacker if I'm hacking myself.  you did some really nice money-scans, also your army movement was a bit strange. but outmaneuvering a guy with mh sometimes looks silly ^^ concerning lionheart. he´s switching between nexus and msc all the time. but only at 6:40 (the time you actually will attack him), he stays a view seconds at his msc and activates overcharge immediatly. there was like 0 reaction time. | ||
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Wormi
Germany181 Posts
since you decided to analyse your replays with us, please comment on this one. http://drop.sc/352984 (originally posted on page 331) | ||
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
Well here it goes: - min 8.00 zerg randomly makes 16 zerlings without scouting my base, without scouting that i have a 3rd coming, just blindly - min 11.40 makes 15 mutas AFTER he scouted double starport, which means that he knows that I do not have phoenixes which obviously means that he is maphacking. Why would you make 15 mutas when the enemy has 2 starports? Can anyone please answer this question? - min 12.00 takes 4th without scouting my army - which means that he knows what army I have which means mpahack. Look at his vision, he never scouts the back of my base - min 14.38 attack to my 3rd without scouting my army - once more I assume being a maphacker he knows where it is so he does not worry. - min 14.40 to min 18 he does not attack because I have more food than him so he knows that he might loose - a clear sign of maphacking. Just please note that he DOES NOT SCOUT WHAT I DO FOR 4 MINUTES and blindcouters me. - min 17.30 I move out the map with my 171 food army HE DOES NOT SCOUT THE MOVE but the same time he attacks my secondary. Is this because of his maphack? Couldn't be, he just does the build with the min 17.30 attack on the secondary, right? - min 19 - another attack without vision and scouting and everything while the army was away. At the moment I was pretty pissed off because I was loosing like that, but now the more I look at this replay the more I think this guy is actually maphacking. He kills my drones and from this point forward the game is lost. If you look at the replay and you see that the ZERG IS NOT SCOUTING ME and blindcountering me and attacks exactly at the spots where the army is NOT is a clear sign of maphacking. So this zerg actually looks suspicious to me if you ask me... I mean the attack at minute 17.30 looks highly suspicious, you just amove all that you got into the protoss secondary without previous scouting? Really? This is how you get to masters? | ||
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Nyast
Belgium554 Posts
On August 16 2013 19:59 Egomancer wrote: First of all I scout 2 gateways which means an aggresive build and I had just ONE gateway so I had to chrono the stalkers. I chrono my stalker when I have the energy. If you look at my build I just do a standard 3 gateway build, nothing out of normal, I mean 100% standard. What I am asking myself is how some people actually get to masters if they do not understand the game... There is no camera jump at min 5.25 - I put the camera on his army when it is in my vision, if you could please check it and let me know maybe I am going insane... So please anyone check that replay and tell me if I am maphacking, I mean there is nothing really weird on any player. Ohh, and BTW he actually wins, I assume that if I maphacked I would have won... You indeed scouted the double gates but you never bothered scouting that it was an actual ( non fake ) push ( and as you should know there's a lot of meta gaming in masters ), or the timing at which it arrives. Which is why it's suspicious. I've rewatched that replay many times now. Personally I'd consider it to be genuine ( ie. concidences ) if your name hadn't been reported multiple times in this thread. At 5'26 very exactly, your camera jumps on to my army right a second before it enters into view. Here is proof: http://i.imgur.com/nTgvqdn.jpg A game-second later exactly, my army becomes visible in the center of this image. So you're basically telling us it's a coincidence that right at this moment, you decided to jump your camera right there ? | ||
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xPoOa0j.png) This is what the camera sees | ||
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
SO your screenshot is from min 5.22 where the camera is where you said it is, but that is because when I move the camera I move it by getting the mouse to the bottom margin of the screen and I kept the mouse there a little more and the camera went down for 2-3 frames more than it should. However here are the screenshots with what my camera sees, and where your troops are. As you can see your army is NOT in my camera view... MY camera: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5XIlov7.png) Your troops: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F8Xf7fN.png) just look at the minimap. Supposing that I would have had a maphack I would not see them under the for of war. Min 5.26 when your troops appear on the minimap: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ycbvf35.png) So what you are reporting is not true...my camera at min 5.26 never goes where you say it goes... | ||
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StillSuX
France4 Posts
I dont like people who try by anyway to prove there are not hacking, its always suspicious ! For sure Nyast dont MH ! | ||
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mindjames
Israel320 Posts
On August 16 2013 20:08 Wormi wrote: dear egomancer, aka lionheart. since you decided to analyse your replays with us, please comment on this one. http://drop.sc/352984 (originally posted on page 331) Bwahahah, this replay is pure gold. Thanks for that. I liked the 80 APM, the horrid macro, the completely absent control, the 3base 2star phoenix transition with 0 vision on the map, the preemptive nexus cannon, the preemptive zealot warpins... And of course your high level analysis of the replay which shows just how much you know about timings as a "masters" player | ||
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Egomancer
Romania119 Posts
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