On May 12 2013 11:38 turdburgler wrote: another OK interview and stuff, but JP still needs to work on actually engaging his guest rather than just reading from a list of questions. idra comes out with an apparently contradictory pair of statements; (paraphrased) 'the people who come to my stream just to see the rage are the fucks' and 'we are just entertainers, results dont matter'. but JP doesnt press on it. how does idra see a difference between the people there for the 'excitement' and the people there for the rage, arent they intertwined? or how can idra be concerned about the attitudes/personality of the so called fucks, when he is the king of laughing at other peoples misfortune e.g. high-fiving incontrol while they attack destiny.
im sure it will be clear in 24 hours or so that this will be the highest viewed content JP has put out in a while, carried by the idra storm. but this is an opportunity for jp to attract new viewers to his channel, but if he cant do anymore than be a wall for the guest to bounce their voice off of, then they will quickly drift away when the guest isnt as interesting as idra.
Ya I agree. One moment he says this is about a business/entertainment and then "anyone who comes to watch my rage is a fuck." Well, since his games -- as he acknowledges himself -- are not about quality but about entertainment they are also consumers of his product. Also you have Idra going "There was a lot of other stuff I said that should have gotten me fired..." how is there not a follow up of "So you knew you were in a danger of being fired?" or "So EG has been too lenient with you? "Do you wish EG had a more structured system of punishment for you so you were clear when you crossed the line?" What about "I see nothing wrong with leaving when I did"...why not ask -- at the very least -- "Why didnt you gg Polt?"
But I think the reason why JP does this is because of his friendship with Idra. By going into an ultra-structured question and answer period with almost no follow up, JP maintains objectivity and at the same time Idra does get the last word so there is neither tension nor appearances of JP just covering his buddy.
I usually won't respond to these but I think it needs to be said that running the production + being the interviewer in something like this makes it rather tough to listen to everything that is said. I would love to be able to sit in a studio and listen to everything someone says, and be able to respond to it appropriately, but unfortunately I can't multitask that well or afford something like that. It is a part of why I stopped doing these to begin with.
truth be told this the first real talk ive seen and it was better than expected, might be because it was about a 'pressing' issue and not just random interview with a cool guy, though.
edit: Actually, I think I fit into carmacs description perfectly then.
On May 12 2013 11:38 turdburgler wrote: another OK interview and stuff, but JP still needs to work on actually engaging his guest rather than just reading from a list of questions. idra comes out with an apparently contradictory pair of statements; (paraphrased) 'the people who come to my stream just to see the rage are the fucks' and 'we are just entertainers, results dont matter'. but JP doesnt press on it. how does idra see a difference between the people there for the 'excitement' and the people there for the rage, arent they intertwined? or how can idra be concerned about the attitudes/personality of the so called fucks, when he is the king of laughing at other peoples misfortune e.g. high-fiving incontrol while they attack destiny.
im sure it will be clear in 24 hours or so that this will be the highest viewed content JP has put out in a while, carried by the idra storm. but this is an opportunity for jp to attract new viewers to his channel, but if he cant do anymore than be a wall for the guest to bounce their voice off of, then they will quickly drift away when the guest isnt as interesting as idra.
Ya I agree. One moment he says this is about a business/entertainment and then "anyone who comes to watch my rage is a fuck." Well, since his games -- as he acknowledges himself -- are not about quality but about entertainment they are also consumers of his product. Also you have Idra going "There was a lot of other stuff I said that should have gotten me fired..." how is there not a follow up of "So you knew you were in a danger of being fired?" or "So EG has been too lenient with you? "Do you wish EG had a more structured system of punishment for you so you were clear when you crossed the line?" What about "I see nothing wrong with leaving when I did"...why not ask -- at the very least -- "Why didnt you gg Polt?"
But I think the reason why JP does this is because of his friendship with Idra. By going into an ultra-structured question and answer period with almost no follow up, JP maintains objectivity and at the same time Idra does get the last word so there is neither tension nor appearances of JP just covering his buddy.
I usually won't respond to these but I think it needs to be said that running the production + being the interviewer in something like this makes it rather tough to listen to everything that is said. I would love to be able to sit in a studio and listen to everything someone says, and be able to respond to it appropriately, but unfortunately I can't multitask that well or afford something like that. It is a part of why I stopped doing these to begin with.
Thank you for the criticism, though.
Thanks JP, you are still the best at this without any of the infrastructure you should have.
Good job to JP for asking good questions and not stupid irrelevant crap I'm so used to seeing (cringing at) on TV these days. Also good luck to Greg for wherever he goes to from here.
On May 12 2013 11:38 turdburgler wrote: another OK interview and stuff, but JP still needs to work on actually engaging his guest rather than just reading from a list of questions. idra comes out with an apparently contradictory pair of statements; (paraphrased) 'the people who come to my stream just to see the rage are the fucks' and 'we are just entertainers, results dont matter'. but JP doesnt press on it. how does idra see a difference between the people there for the 'excitement' and the people there for the rage, arent they intertwined? or how can idra be concerned about the attitudes/personality of the so called fucks, when he is the king of laughing at other peoples misfortune e.g. high-fiving incontrol while they attack destiny.
im sure it will be clear in 24 hours or so that this will be the highest viewed content JP has put out in a while, carried by the idra storm. but this is an opportunity for jp to attract new viewers to his channel, but if he cant do anymore than be a wall for the guest to bounce their voice off of, then they will quickly drift away when the guest isnt as interesting as idra.
Ya I agree. One moment he says this is about a business/entertainment and then "anyone who comes to watch my rage is a fuck." Well, since his games -- as he acknowledges himself -- are not about quality but about entertainment they are also consumers of his product. Also you have Idra going "There was a lot of other stuff I said that should have gotten me fired..." how is there not a follow up of "So you knew you were in a danger of being fired?" or "So EG has been too lenient with you? "Do you wish EG had a more structured system of punishment for you so you were clear when you crossed the line?" What about "I see nothing wrong with leaving when I did"...why not ask -- at the very least -- "Why didnt you gg Polt?"
But I think the reason why JP does this is because of his friendship with Idra. By going into an ultra-structured question and answer period with almost no follow up, JP maintains objectivity and at the same time Idra does get the last word so there is neither tension nor appearances of JP just covering his buddy.
I usually won't respond to these but I think it needs to be said that running the production + being the interviewer in something like this makes it rather tough to listen to everything that is said. I would love to be able to sit in a studio and listen to everything someone says, and be able to respond to it appropriately, but unfortunately I can't multitask that well or afford something like that. It is a part of why I stopped doing these to begin with.
Thank you for the criticism, though.
Yes, I'm glad you responded to this because this is something I've noticed as well. You ask good questions, but without any followups, it doesn't flow like an actual conversation and is just firing off questions from a list in rapid fire succession. Like question 1 - ok answered, question 2, go, etc.
I enjoy your real talks and I recently watched the artosis one, even though it's super old now. When he was talking about his family and relationship with his mom, he said she was very unsupportive growing up. I kept waiting for the followup of, well now that you're successful, what does she think of your career choice now? Sadly, that followup question never came. It was not until the q/a part where a fan asked the question of how his relationship was with his mom today.
I'm glad the question finally got answered, but that kind of followup question is something the interviewer should have done. Instead it was you got his family history question done, now on to the next question. However, now you've listed reasons why such things happen and they're understandable.
On May 12 2013 12:06 mjnbowlgod wrote: JP you should set up a real talk with Alex garfield and talk about EG and there future, the direction they want to take.
JP had actually said a little while ago that Alex approached him about doing Real Talk so maybe we will see it whenever the show returns on a regular basis.
On May 12 2013 11:38 turdburgler wrote: another OK interview and stuff, but JP still needs to work on actually engaging his guest rather than just reading from a list of questions. idra comes out with an apparently contradictory pair of statements; (paraphrased) 'the people who come to my stream just to see the rage are the fucks' and 'we are just entertainers, results dont matter'. but JP doesnt press on it. how does idra see a difference between the people there for the 'excitement' and the people there for the rage, arent they intertwined? or how can idra be concerned about the attitudes/personality of the so called fucks, when he is the king of laughing at other peoples misfortune e.g. high-fiving incontrol while they attack destiny.
im sure it will be clear in 24 hours or so that this will be the highest viewed content JP has put out in a while, carried by the idra storm. but this is an opportunity for jp to attract new viewers to his channel, but if he cant do anymore than be a wall for the guest to bounce their voice off of, then they will quickly drift away when the guest isnt as interesting as idra.
Ya I agree. One moment he says this is about a business/entertainment and then "anyone who comes to watch my rage is a fuck." Well, since his games -- as he acknowledges himself -- are not about quality but about entertainment they are also consumers of his product. Also you have Idra going "There was a lot of other stuff I said that should have gotten me fired..." how is there not a follow up of "So you knew you were in a danger of being fired?" or "So EG has been too lenient with you? "Do you wish EG had a more structured system of punishment for you so you were clear when you crossed the line?" What about "I see nothing wrong with leaving when I did"...why not ask -- at the very least -- "Why didnt you gg Polt?"
But I think the reason why JP does this is because of his friendship with Idra. By going into an ultra-structured question and answer period with almost no follow up, JP maintains objectivity and at the same time Idra does get the last word so there is neither tension nor appearances of JP just covering his buddy.
I usually won't respond to these but I think it needs to be said that running the production + being the interviewer in something like this makes it rather tough to listen to everything that is said. I would love to be able to sit in a studio and listen to everything someone says, and be able to respond to it appropriately, but unfortunately I can't multitask that well or afford something like that. It is a part of why I stopped doing these to begin with.
Thank you for the criticism, though.
Can't wrangle someone to help out during the show? There's got to be someone that could pitch in. Is it really that complicated on a technical level during recording?
On May 12 2013 11:38 turdburgler wrote: another OK interview and stuff, but JP still needs to work on actually engaging his guest rather than just reading from a list of questions. idra comes out with an apparently contradictory pair of statements; (paraphrased) 'the people who come to my stream just to see the rage are the fucks' and 'we are just entertainers, results dont matter'. but JP doesnt press on it. how does idra see a difference between the people there for the 'excitement' and the people there for the rage, arent they intertwined? or how can idra be concerned about the attitudes/personality of the so called fucks, when he is the king of laughing at other peoples misfortune e.g. high-fiving incontrol while they attack destiny.
im sure it will be clear in 24 hours or so that this will be the highest viewed content JP has put out in a while, carried by the idra storm. but this is an opportunity for jp to attract new viewers to his channel, but if he cant do anymore than be a wall for the guest to bounce their voice off of, then they will quickly drift away when the guest isnt as interesting as idra.
Ya I agree. One moment he says this is about a business/entertainment and then "anyone who comes to watch my rage is a fuck." Well, since his games -- as he acknowledges himself -- are not about quality but about entertainment they are also consumers of his product. Also you have Idra going "There was a lot of other stuff I said that should have gotten me fired..." how is there not a follow up of "So you knew you were in a danger of being fired?" or "So EG has been too lenient with you? "Do you wish EG had a more structured system of punishment for you so you were clear when you crossed the line?" What about "I see nothing wrong with leaving when I did"...why not ask -- at the very least -- "Why didnt you gg Polt?"
But I think the reason why JP does this is because of his friendship with Idra. By going into an ultra-structured question and answer period with almost no follow up, JP maintains objectivity and at the same time Idra does get the last word so there is neither tension nor appearances of JP just covering his buddy.
Really seems like EG totally let IdrA down, how did they let the negativity get to him, how did he not know how many fans love him?? And how was he able to only go to one therapist session?! If they picked a bad therapist you find a better one, not just give up. EG seems almost entirely to blame for being totally incapable of managing IdrA and in creating an environment in which he knew the boundaries and was constantaly aware of his adoring fan base.
As time goes on I have less and less respect for EG and it's management.
On May 12 2013 15:09 baldgye wrote: Really seems like EG totally let IdrA down, how did they let the negativity get to him, how did he not know how many fans love him?? And how was he able to only go to one therapist session?! If they picked a bad therapist you find a better one, not just give up. EG seems almost entirely to blame for being totally incapable of managing IdrA and in creating an environment in which he knew the boundaries and was constantaly aware of his adoring fan base.
As time goes on I have less and less respect for EG and it's management.
Uhhhh this is called deflecting responsibility. EG did the best they could. Just ask scoots on twitter as others have asked. EG could only do so much. They can't babysit idra 24/7. Idra is a man and responsible for his own actions.
You're also forgetting one of the core issues for idra being unhappy. He just didn't like playing sc2 and hated the game itself. That's something EG could never fix.
I haven't really liked Idra in the past, largely because of the dishonorable way he conducts himself in games and towards other players, but this interview really shows an intelligent, reasonable and rational Idra. I'm still opposed to the way he treats his victorious opponents (they are your foundation - without them, there is no competition, and you are nothing), but I find myself impressed by his out of game persona.
On May 12 2013 15:09 baldgye wrote: Really seems like EG totally let IdrA down, how did they let the negativity get to him, how did he not know how many fans love him?? And how was he able to only go to one therapist session?! If they picked a bad therapist you find a better one, not just give up. EG seems almost entirely to blame for being totally incapable of managing IdrA and in creating an environment in which he knew the boundaries and was constantaly aware of his adoring fan base.
As time goes on I have less and less respect for EG and it's management.
Uhhhh this is called deflecting responsibility. EG did the best they could. Just ask scoots on twitter as others have asked. EG could only do so much. They can't babysit idra 24/7. Idra is a man and responsible for his own actions.
You're also forgetting one of the core issues for idra being unhappy. He just didn't like playing sc2 and hated the game itself. That's something EG could never fix.
It's not at all deflecting and it's what mainstream teams do for there players, espeically there highest paid players. IdrA not enjoying the game is a problem they probably couldn't fix, but his actions are a result of poor management. Had IdrA know those comments would have got him fired he wouldn't have made them, had he been in a better place mentally he plays those games vs Polt out and life goes on.
On May 12 2013 15:09 baldgye wrote: Really seems like EG totally let IdrA down, how did they let the negativity get to him, how did he not know how many fans love him?? And how was he able to only go to one therapist session?! If they picked a bad therapist you find a better one, not just give up. EG seems almost entirely to blame for being totally incapable of managing IdrA and in creating an environment in which he knew the boundaries and was constantaly aware of his adoring fan base.
As time goes on I have less and less respect for EG and it's management.
Uhhhh this is called deflecting responsibility. EG did the best they could. Just ask scoots on twitter as others have asked. EG could only do so much. They can't babysit idra 24/7. Idra is a man and responsible for his own actions.
You're also forgetting one of the core issues for idra being unhappy. He just didn't like playing sc2 and hated the game itself. That's something EG could never fix.
It's not at all deflecting and it's what mainstream teams do for there players, espeically there highest paid players. IdrA not enjoying the game is a problem they probably couldn't fix, but his actions are a result of poor management. Had IdrA know those comments would have got him fired he wouldn't have made them, had he been in a better place mentally he plays those games vs Polt out and life goes on.
You appear to be ignoring IdrA's free will and personal autonomy in this situation. I believe EG did all they could. Greg has a few substantial issues -- why would you want "life goes on" when he didn't even like the game to begin with?
He's a better caster than player. Instantly my favorite. Excited to see where he goes.
On May 12 2013 11:38 turdburgler wrote: another OK interview and stuff, but JP still needs to work on actually engaging his guest rather than just reading from a list of questions. idra comes out with an apparently contradictory pair of statements; (paraphrased) 'the people who come to my stream just to see the rage are the fucks' and 'we are just entertainers, results dont matter'. but JP doesnt press on it. how does idra see a difference between the people there for the 'excitement' and the people there for the rage, arent they intertwined? or how can idra be concerned about the attitudes/personality of the so called fucks, when he is the king of laughing at other peoples misfortune e.g. high-fiving incontrol while they attack destiny.
im sure it will be clear in 24 hours or so that this will be the highest viewed content JP has put out in a while, carried by the idra storm. but this is an opportunity for jp to attract new viewers to his channel, but if he cant do anymore than be a wall for the guest to bounce their voice off of, then they will quickly drift away when the guest isnt as interesting as idra.
Ya I agree. One moment he says this is about a business/entertainment and then "anyone who comes to watch my rage is a fuck." Well, since his games -- as he acknowledges himself -- are not about quality but about entertainment they are also consumers of his product. Also you have Idra going "There was a lot of other stuff I said that should have gotten me fired..." how is there not a follow up of "So you knew you were in a danger of being fired?" or "So EG has been too lenient with you? "Do you wish EG had a more structured system of punishment for you so you were clear when you crossed the line?" What about "I see nothing wrong with leaving when I did"...why not ask -- at the very least -- "Why didnt you gg Polt?"
But I think the reason why JP does this is because of his friendship with Idra. By going into an ultra-structured question and answer period with almost no follow up, JP maintains objectivity and at the same time Idra does get the last word so there is neither tension nor appearances of JP just covering his buddy.
"why didnt you gg Polt?" "because i was upset."
yes, that would have improved the interview....
Yes, it would. Because his entire explanation was "Well I calculated this completely and here is a perfectly logical reason why I should quit." The question "why didnt you gg then?" raises the issue that either (a) his explanation is an after the fact rationalize and he really was tilted, and so the game wasnt lost, which then gives a stronger bite to the interview in general. or (b) he thought that polt was "cheesing" somehow, because Idra has gg-ed in every major tournament before this or (c) he views all competition on par with ladder (which then raises the legitimacy of giving him an invite by MLG over someone like Demuslim, no matter what their rationalization based on points is.)
But JP gave a reasonable explanation why he wasnt able to do so, and thats too bad (its a shame that someone as naturally talented at this as JP doesnt get more resources behind him).
i know this might come to a shock to most of you people that... starcraft 2 aint enjoyable game to play, i can almost be 100% certain every ex broodwar player actually hates this game the way idra does. They just better at managing it. i feel sorry for each and everyone of them how bad blizzard let them down. grown up i used to think how cool it would be playing starcraft for a living. current day i wouldnt do it for all the money in the world
On May 12 2013 13:46 plasmidghost wrote: What if... IdrA started playing BW again and participated in TLS? Him saying how much better BW was got me thinking about that possibility.
Sadly there is no way he'd make a living playing BW atm, not to mention he'd lose a lot of his SC2 only fanbase.
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