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SkinnyCook
Profile Joined May 2012
United States39 Posts
May 12 2012 09:48 GMT
#881
He is good though. However I don't believe he is going to beat top SC2 players easily.
Do things with your conscious.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 12 2012 09:48 GMT
#882
Maybe he's actually KT's PR manager, trying to sow the seeds of doubt and protect flash's privacy, yo
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Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
May 12 2012 09:48 GMT
#883
On May 12 2012 18:44 herbie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:42 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:34 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely.

you cant tell unit movement from post game results

I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys.

You cannot tell camera hotkeys or any hotkeys from post game results. Or are you talking about the replay Kawaiirice uploaded?

I'm not comparing anything from post game results. The only thing we needed post game results to realise was what account flash was playing on. Everything else is a comparison between the VOD and the replay.

what replay are you talking about? where did you get replays of games in vod?
herbie
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 09:54:56
May 12 2012 09:49 GMT
#884
On May 12 2012 18:48 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:44 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:42 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:34 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely.

you cant tell unit movement from post game results

I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys.

You cannot tell camera hotkeys or any hotkeys from post game results. Or are you talking about the replay Kawaiirice uploaded?

I'm not comparing anything from post game results. The only thing we needed post game results to realise was what account flash was playing on. Everything else is a comparison between the VOD and the replay.

what replay are you talking about? where did you get replays of games in vod?

OMG dude, you don't need a replay of the VOD to see his control groups or where his screen keeps jumping to. Its shown in the VIDEO. The replay is the one vs KR. Sorry I wont be feeding this hopeless argument any longer
Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
May 12 2012 09:52 GMT
#885
On May 12 2012 18:49 herbie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:48 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:44 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:42 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:34 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely.

you cant tell unit movement from post game results

I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys.

You cannot tell camera hotkeys or any hotkeys from post game results. Or are you talking about the replay Kawaiirice uploaded?

I'm not comparing anything from post game results. The only thing we needed post game results to realise was what account flash was playing on. Everything else is a comparison between the VOD and the replay.

what replay are you talking about? where did you get replays of games in vod?

OMG dude, you don't need a replay of the VOD to see his control groups or where his screen keeps jumping to. Its shown in the VIDEO.

You said you are comparing VOD and some replay and I am asking what replay is that.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
May 12 2012 09:54 GMT
#886
On May 12 2012 18:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:49 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:48 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:44 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:42 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:34 herbie wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely.

you cant tell unit movement from post game results

I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys.

You cannot tell camera hotkeys or any hotkeys from post game results. Or are you talking about the replay Kawaiirice uploaded?

I'm not comparing anything from post game results. The only thing we needed post game results to realise was what account flash was playing on. Everything else is a comparison between the VOD and the replay.

what replay are you talking about? where did you get replays of games in vod?

OMG dude, you don't need a replay of the VOD to see his control groups or where his screen keeps jumping to. Its shown in the VIDEO.

You said you are comparing VOD and some replay and I am asking what replay is that.

Replay here.

It's a different game than the vod, but apparently the same barcode account that was snooped out from the info people deduced from the vod. Play-styles are similar.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
fanvadmeck
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden112 Posts
May 12 2012 09:56 GMT
#887
On May 12 2012 02:41 MisterTea wrote:
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On May 12 2012 02:37 wbirdy wrote:
In the second video he outmacro-ed Apocalypse on equal bases, and crushed him by pushing edges and barely winning each engage. If that isn't impressive I don't know what is.

on equal bases without any mules u might add . was awesome


Can ppl stop saying he isnt using mules?

He is.. can you just look carefully on the video and stop wanking off meanwhile?
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
May 12 2012 09:57 GMT
#888
On May 12 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:
Maybe he's actually KT's PR manager, trying to sow the seeds of doubt and protect flash's privacy, yo

Exactly. Most likely. Just imagine, what a pain in the ass it gets for flash to have to make another account and everything just because the uploader or the video maker made a mistake of not hiding everything.
Oh well...
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-12 10:25:30
May 12 2012 09:59 GMT
#889
On May 12 2012 18:57 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:
Maybe he's actually KT's PR manager, trying to sow the seeds of doubt and protect flash's privacy, yo

Exactly. Most likely. Just imagine, what a pain in the ass it gets for flash to have to make another account and everything just because the uploader or the video maker made a mistake of not hiding everything.
Oh well...


I don't get why they wouldn't use the same length of barcode as everybody else if they didn't want to make it so obvious, rookie mistake KT!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 12 2012 10:00 GMT
#890
On May 12 2012 18:56 fanvadmeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 02:41 MisterTea wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:37 wbirdy wrote:
In the second video he outmacro-ed Apocalypse on equal bases, and crushed him by pushing edges and barely winning each engage. If that isn't impressive I don't know what is.

on equal bases without any mules u might add . was awesome


Can ppl stop saying he isnt using mules?

He is.. can you just look carefully on the video and stop wanking off meanwhile?

dude, he stops muling around the 10:30 mark in both the VOD and in the replay against KR, where he doesnt mule again until he lands his third, something he didn't do in the VOD cause the game ended. He relies heavily on scans. Mule count in the game against KR is 16 for KR and 9 for Flash.
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Dubag
Profile Joined March 2006
Australia82 Posts
May 12 2012 10:11 GMT
#891
This thread reminds me of that scene from the matrix for some reason:



That part at 1:27 especially haha!
DRG | MC | Gumiho | Soulkey | Effort
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 12 2012 10:13 GMT
#892
On May 12 2012 19:00 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:56 fanvadmeck wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:41 MisterTea wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:37 wbirdy wrote:
In the second video he outmacro-ed Apocalypse on equal bases, and crushed him by pushing edges and barely winning each engage. If that isn't impressive I don't know what is.

on equal bases without any mules u might add . was awesome


Can ppl stop saying he isnt using mules?

He is.. can you just look carefully on the video and stop wanking off meanwhile?

dude, he stops muling around the 10:30 mark in both the VOD and in the replay against KR, where he doesnt mule again until he lands his third, something he didn't do in the VOD cause the game ended. He relies heavily on scans. Mule count in the game against KR is 16 for KR and 9 for Flash.


I would not see this as something worth the analysis.
He's new to the game, he don't know everything yet, timings and stuff, so he scan a lot because he's not sure.

He will probably reduce the number of scan and get as much MULES as today Terran pro in a while.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 12 2012 10:14 GMT
#893
On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.

So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen.

if you noticed the low apm at the start of the game, this is probably what happened.
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Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
May 12 2012 10:15 GMT
#894
On May 12 2012 18:59 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:57 RaiZ wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:
Maybe he's actually KT's PR manager, trying to sow the seeds of doubt and protect flash's privacy, yo

Exactly. Most likely. Just imagine, what a pain in the ass it gets for flash to have to make another account and everything just because the uploader or the video maker made a mistake of not hiding everything.
Oh well...


I don't get why they wouldn't use the same length of barcode as everybody else is they didn't want to make it so obvious, rookie mistake KT!

Flashs barcode name is common lenght.
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 12 2012 10:16 GMT
#895
On May 12 2012 18:42 jmbthirteen wrote:
The biggest tell to me that its Flash against KawaiiRice (other than all the hard work MegaFonzie did) was the amount of scans he uses instead of mules. In the youtube video and the game against Kawaii, he stops muling at the same time. He also went very heavy on the medivacs.

the scans are probably a bw habit. as for the medivacs, i dont think he grasp the optimal number yet because in bw, its 1 medic to every 4-5 marines or something like that.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 12 2012 10:16 GMT
#896
On May 12 2012 19:13 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 19:00 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:56 fanvadmeck wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:41 MisterTea wrote:
On May 12 2012 02:37 wbirdy wrote:
In the second video he outmacro-ed Apocalypse on equal bases, and crushed him by pushing edges and barely winning each engage. If that isn't impressive I don't know what is.

on equal bases without any mules u might add . was awesome


Can ppl stop saying he isnt using mules?

He is.. can you just look carefully on the video and stop wanking off meanwhile?

dude, he stops muling around the 10:30 mark in both the VOD and in the replay against KR, where he doesnt mule again until he lands his third, something he didn't do in the VOD cause the game ended. He relies heavily on scans. Mule count in the game against KR is 16 for KR and 9 for Flash.


I would not see this as something worth the analysis.
He's new to the game, he don't know everything yet, timings and stuff, so he scan a lot because he's not sure.

He will probably reduce the number of scan and get as much MULES as today Terran pro in a while.

I wasn't saying it for analysis. It was just something I noticed in the replay. It makes sense, he might not realize just how strong the mule is and how much he is missing out.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
May 12 2012 10:16 GMT
#897
Hm, the linked videos got removed. Shame.
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Mongolbonjwa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland376 Posts
May 12 2012 10:17 GMT
#898
On May 12 2012 19:14 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.

So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen.

if you noticed the low apm at the start of the game, this is probably what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSx6d2qUqE8

what is he doing?
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 12 2012 10:18 GMT
#899
He looks really good in these vods. Remember that Flash has to play 2 games at the same time, so hes not fully switch to SC2 yet.
He also said in the interview the he will get crushed if he play Code A player right Cant wait to the day he plays in GSL ^^
Terran
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 12 2012 10:18 GMT
#900
On May 12 2012 19:15 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 18:59 Dodgin wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:57 RaiZ wrote:
On May 12 2012 18:48 opterown wrote:
Maybe he's actually KT's PR manager, trying to sow the seeds of doubt and protect flash's privacy, yo

Exactly. Most likely. Just imagine, what a pain in the ass it gets for flash to have to make another account and everything just because the uploader or the video maker made a mistake of not hiding everything.
Oh well...


I don't get why they wouldn't use the same length of barcode as everybody else is they didn't want to make it so obvious, rookie mistake KT!

Flashs barcode name is common lenght.

its actually much shorter
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