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On May 12 2012 18:22 MegaFonzie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 18:14 pdd wrote:On May 12 2012 18:06 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 18:03 opterown wrote:On May 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Please, provide me material where Flashs battle.net ID has been shown with being able to differentiate i´s and L´s so we can compare it to the replay of Kawairice or that unknown player someone found. in the FPVods, flash was playing against NosSave (or someone). What we did was stalk NosSave for recent matches, comparing build orders, to find flash was lllllll. Pretty solid evidence x) The problem with this is, that you cannot know if that name is same as Flashs bnet ID. As far as I know, Flash´s ID is not announced anywhere and you cannot tell what it is made of or hell, you cant even say its lenght for sure from the image of this threads OP. They found Flash via Battle.net. And linked his direct Battle.net profile which had exactly the same build order (based on the VODs). They didn't do a search for IIIIIII's anyway. They just linked the profile directly to his Battlenet page from SC2. Yeah but that has nothing to do with the name, only build orders. That another guy claimed that we would have had some other proof that we would know flash id I did the original comparisons between the FPVOD and NosSave's match history. He played the Flash account on the exact same map, in those exact spawn positions, with a game lasting the exact same time, with every piece of Flash's production matching identically in both food count and in game time between the FPVOD and the postgame build orders tab. Plus, it was played just a few hours before the video was released. Then factor in that the account has only been actively laddering very recently, with practice games vs KT IDs PGAB, Lizzy and Mind recently played as well. It's pretty absurd to think it doesn't belong to Flash at this point I think.
If you are right, then it is most likely Flash. I have no energy to check it myself.
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On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.
So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen.
Also need to consider the fact that BW APM =/= SC2 APM both are calculated differently.
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On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.
So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen.
Flash wasn't really known for his uber APM in BW. He just was all-around good despite having (relatively) less APM than other of top BW stars (Jaedong and Bisu for instance).
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Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely.
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^ Indeed , you have to multiple sc2 apm by 1.3 to have "real" APM or BW APM
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On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely.
you cant tell unit movement from post game results
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On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely. you cant tell unit movement from post game results
It's time to give up dude.
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On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely. you cant tell unit movement from post game results
I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys.
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On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely. you cant tell unit movement from post game results
no, we're not using post game results, we're comparing the fpvod to the kawaiirice replay
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On May 12 2012 18:28 Random_Guy09 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.
So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen. Also need to consider the fact that BW APM =/= SC2 APM both are calculated differently.
Yeah but it was weird at start that KawaiiRice had so much more than Flash. Flash looked like he did not even spam early on. But later on he was on a constant 200 (while KR on 300) and in battles >500.
Anyway, this is so cool. I can not even believe we are living this right now. It's ESPORTS history in the making guys.
And btw, how can you tell yourself to be a noob when you beat people that train with SC2 for over a year?
Also, does anyone know the winratio of the bar code ID flash used? Was he winning a lot or not?
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I think Flash means that he is noob compared to players like MMA, MVP and MKP.
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On May 12 2012 18:36 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:28 Random_Guy09 wrote:On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.
So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen. Also need to consider the fact that BW APM =/= SC2 APM both are calculated differently. Yeah but it was weird at start that KawaiiRice had so much more than Flash. Flash looked like he did not even spam early on. But later on he was on a constant 200 (while KR on 300) and in battles >500. Anyway, this is so cool. I can not even believe we are living this right now. It's ESPORTS history in the making guys. And btw, how can you tell yourself to be a noob when you beat people that train with SC2 for over a year? Also, does anyone know the winratio of the bar code ID flash used? Was he winning a lot or not?
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3479253/1/lllllll/
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On May 12 2012 18:38 Shox85 wrote:
I think Flash means that he is noob compared to players like MMA, MVP and MKP.
He specifically said he does not know pro players and he is not interested so far.
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feel so sad and happy at same time. finally hitting me that bw is coming to an end  , but happy that  god himself is gonna be playing sc2 
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On May 12 2012 18:36 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:28 Random_Guy09 wrote:On May 12 2012 18:25 ceaRshaf wrote:
What I loved from the vod of KawaiiRice is that Flash did not have uber APM but from time to time in battles he went to over 500. So it was not that he could not move fast but that he did not need to do so because maybe he uses his APM exactly where it is needed.
So far I am so hyped for Flash from what I have seen. Also need to consider the fact that BW APM =/= SC2 APM both are calculated differently. Yeah but it was weird at start that KawaiiRice had so much more than Flash. Flash looked like he did not even spam early on. But later on he was on a constant 200 (while KR on 300) and in battles >500. Anyway, this is so cool. I can not even believe we are living this right now. It's ESPORTS history in the making guys. And btw, how can you tell yourself to be a noob when you beat people that train with SC2 for over a year? Also, does anyone know the winratio of the bar code ID flash used? Was he winning a lot or not?
Really impressive for only like a month of play. He is basically top 50 KR masters (overall, not just his division). 55% looks quite low but it's actually really good.
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On May 12 2012 18:34 herbie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely. you cant tell unit movement from post game results I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys.
You cannot tell camera hotkeys or any hotkeys from post game results. Or are you talking about the replay Kawaiirice uploaded?
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The biggest tell to me that its Flash against KawaiiRice (other than all the hard work MegaFonzie did) was the amount of scans he uses instead of mules. In the youtube video and the game against Kawaii, he stops muling at the same time. He also went very heavy on the medivacs.
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On May 12 2012 18:42 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:34 herbie wrote:On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely. you cant tell unit movement from post game results I was talking about the camera movements shown in the vod and the positions of the camera hotkeys. You cannot tell camera hotkeys or any hotkeys from post game results. Or are you talking about the replay Kawaiirice uploaded?
I'm not comparing anything from post game results. The only thing we needed post game results to realise was what account flash was playing on. Everything else is a comparison between the VOD and the replay.
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On May 12 2012 18:42 jmbthirteen wrote:
The biggest tell to me that its Flash against KawaiiRice (other than all the hard work MegaFonzie did) was the amount of scans he uses instead of mules. In the youtube video and the game against Kawaii, he stops muling at the same time. He also went very heavy on the medivacs.
Yep lol, insane medivac count.
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On May 12 2012 18:32 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:31 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 18:30 herbie wrote:
Guys can we get past this, we know that the account in the replay is the exact same one flash used in the video because of NosSave's match history. So its the same account. His control group setup, especially the camera setup and movement is practically identical. Those are the facts, maybe he has given his account to someone else with the same setup, but most of us think that is unlikely. you cant tell unit movement from post game results It's time to give up dude.
Don't blame him, he's surely being paid to give false rumors so that we don't get to know it's flash
Or he's stupid. Either way he's really dead. :D
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