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On May 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:50 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:35 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:04 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I wonder why so many people believe if some random guy claims that this account is flash without even checking facts? Same name, same hotkeys, same build between the Vod and the replay, apm showed minimal amount of spam, just as in the vod. Believe what you want. You cannot say the name is same in the vod and replay because of the barcode Hotkeys are common Build is very common Only way to check if its same is to compare all food numbers to all production and clock times. But FPVOD does not even show all food numbers at all times so there goes your chance to verify if its flash or not. ... There's only 1 account on KR with 7 L's as their barcode and that is the one used in both the FPVOD and replay. Also after the game where Kawaiirice asked if it was Flash no more games were played on the acc. The thing is, that you cannot possible know if that account is flash. There is no way to know if flashs account barcode name is made of 7 L's. Thats the whole point of barcodes too.
There's no account on KR made up of 7 I's. Just saying. But believe what you want, you're clearly in denial because the evidence is overwhelming. Yes there's an extremely tiny chance it's not him if he's sharing the account with other terrans in KT and they hotkey the same, have very similar apm, use the exact same build and stop using the account after someone asks if it's Flash playing. One thing is certain though. The account used in the replay and fpvod is the same.
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On May 12 2012 17:47 TyrantPotato wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 16:22 BlazeFury01 wrote:
lol and flash considers himself a newbie at the game but he's beating people that have played since beta...wow not jumping on any bandwagon until solid tourny results. But this soooooo much. EDIT: I JUST RELISED I HAVE A BIRTHDAY ICON WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You didn't know it was your birthday?  Congratz
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Flash was looking pretty unstoppable against Kawaii, and I think Kawaii's TvT is good GM level. We have to see how this greater threat will make the other players realize somethings about terran that were not really tried yet (really doubt it).
We have to wait and see, you guys are way too hyped.
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It would be Flash, but it is far from certain that this account really is Flash´s. Unless someone can give indepth analysis of that cloud kingdom game where one could point out that all shown food numbers and production and time stamps in FPVOD matches to post game-info buildorders, there is no reason to jump into bandwagons.
Also, the VOD does not show food numbers all the time because camera moves constantly so there goes your chance to verify if it really is Flash.
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On May 12 2012 17:49 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:49 rauk wrote:On May 12 2012 17:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:35 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:04 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I wonder why so many people believe if some random guy claims that this account is flash without even checking facts? Same name, same hotkeys, same build between the Vod and the replay, apm showed minimal amount of spam, just as in the vod. Believe what you want. You cannot say the name is same in the vod and replay because of the barcode Hotkeys are common Build is very common Only way to check if its same is to compare all food numbers to all production and clock times. But FPVOD does not even show all food numbers at all times so there goes your chance to verify if its flash or not. there's no other korean player with a barcode that short... Are you sure?
no other korean player with a barcode of that length
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On May 12 2012 17:55 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:50 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:35 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:04 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I wonder why so many people believe if some random guy claims that this account is flash without even checking facts? Same name, same hotkeys, same build between the Vod and the replay, apm showed minimal amount of spam, just as in the vod. Believe what you want. You cannot say the name is same in the vod and replay because of the barcode Hotkeys are common Build is very common Only way to check if its same is to compare all food numbers to all production and clock times. But FPVOD does not even show all food numbers at all times so there goes your chance to verify if its flash or not. ... There's only 1 account on KR with 7 L's as their barcode and that is the one used in both the FPVOD and replay. Also after the game where Kawaiirice asked if it was Flash no more games were played on the acc. The thing is, that you cannot possible know if that account is flash. There is no way to know if flashs account barcode name is made of 7 L's. Thats the whole point of barcodes too. There's no account on KR made up of 7 I's. Just saying. But believe what you want, you're clearly in denial because the evidence is overwhelming. Yes there's an extremely tiny chance it's not him if he's sharing the account with other terrans in KT and they hotkey the same, have very similar apm, use the exact same build and stop using the account after someone asks if it's Flash playing. One thing is certain though. The account used in the replay and fpvod is the same.
You still dont understand that you cannot possibly know what flash barcode is really made of. You are using unbacked argument as an evidence for your claim that you would know it. Give me a break.
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HAHA CONFIRMED!!!!!!
you can differentiate between i's and L's on sc2 ranks by using ctrl+F
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Oh sweet, Flash replay.... gonna have a look 
might as well learn from the best of the best
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On May 12 2012 17:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:35 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:04 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I wonder why so many people believe if some random guy claims that this account is flash without even checking facts? Same name, same hotkeys, same build between the Vod and the replay, apm showed minimal amount of spam, just as in the vod. Believe what you want. You cannot say the name is same in the vod and replay because of the barcode Hotkeys are common Build is very common Only way to check if its same is to compare all food numbers to all production and clock times. But FPVOD does not even show all food numbers at all times so there goes your chance to verify if its flash or not.
Of course we can't be 100% sure. Only when Flash comes out and says that this is his game can we be 100% sure. And that's impossible.
I would say it's very likely that the blue terran in the replay is Flash.
Reasons:
1, control groups match the FPVOD;
2; kinda weird built, not standard sc2 terran style
3, control style matches the FPVOD. In both games, he streaming units to similar locations and then he forgot for a while to change the rally point to another location (this is very BW style because in BW you can't change rally points of multiple structures at one time. You have to change them individually because you can't put multiple structures in one control group. So players sometimes just don't change the rally point frequently)
4, The korean website has deleted the FPVOD and the barcode account of Flash seems like already stops being used. It stucks at 443 and the account is only used one-time today. It's very likely they already knew about the leak and stopped using this account.
I know these are all speculations, but we can never be 100% sure about this kind of things.
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On May 12 2012 17:57 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:55 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:50 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:35 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:04 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I wonder why so many people believe if some random guy claims that this account is flash without even checking facts? Same name, same hotkeys, same build between the Vod and the replay, apm showed minimal amount of spam, just as in the vod. Believe what you want. You cannot say the name is same in the vod and replay because of the barcode Hotkeys are common Build is very common Only way to check if its same is to compare all food numbers to all production and clock times. But FPVOD does not even show all food numbers at all times so there goes your chance to verify if its flash or not. ... There's only 1 account on KR with 7 L's as their barcode and that is the one used in both the FPVOD and replay. Also after the game where Kawaiirice asked if it was Flash no more games were played on the acc. The thing is, that you cannot possible know if that account is flash. There is no way to know if flashs account barcode name is made of 7 L's. Thats the whole point of barcodes too. There's no account on KR made up of 7 I's. Just saying. But believe what you want, you're clearly in denial because the evidence is overwhelming. Yes there's an extremely tiny chance it's not him if he's sharing the account with other terrans in KT and they hotkey the same, have very similar apm, use the exact same build and stop using the account after someone asks if it's Flash playing. One thing is certain though. The account used in the replay and fpvod is the same. You still dont understand that you cannot possibly know what flash barcode is really made of. You are using unbacked argument as an evidence for your claim that you would know it. Give me a break.
So what letters but I and L are there that look exactly like a big I or small L? Give me a few examples from korean or western alphabet. Looking forward to see the other options. Once presented I'll browse SC2ranks for the other possible accounts.
The account is the same, but yes we cannot be 100% sure it's the same guy playing,,,,ofc.
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On May 12 2012 17:57 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:55 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:52 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:50 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:43 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On May 12 2012 17:35 Valikyr wrote:On May 12 2012 17:04 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
I wonder why so many people believe if some random guy claims that this account is flash without even checking facts? Same name, same hotkeys, same build between the Vod and the replay, apm showed minimal amount of spam, just as in the vod. Believe what you want. You cannot say the name is same in the vod and replay because of the barcode Hotkeys are common Build is very common Only way to check if its same is to compare all food numbers to all production and clock times. But FPVOD does not even show all food numbers at all times so there goes your chance to verify if its flash or not. ... There's only 1 account on KR with 7 L's as their barcode and that is the one used in both the FPVOD and replay. Also after the game where Kawaiirice asked if it was Flash no more games were played on the acc. The thing is, that you cannot possible know if that account is flash. There is no way to know if flashs account barcode name is made of 7 L's. Thats the whole point of barcodes too. There's no account on KR made up of 7 I's. Just saying. But believe what you want, you're clearly in denial because the evidence is overwhelming. Yes there's an extremely tiny chance it's not him if he's sharing the account with other terrans in KT and they hotkey the same, have very similar apm, use the exact same build and stop using the account after someone asks if it's Flash playing. One thing is certain though. The account used in the replay and fpvod is the same. You still dont understand that you cannot possibly know what flash barcode is really made of. You are using unbacked argument as an evidence for your claim that you would know it. Give me a break.
i searched ll, li, il, ii on sc2ranks and there's no player with a barcde of that length around flash's rank, except for that one account.
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Please, provide me material where Flashs battle.net ID has been shown with being able to differentiate i´s and L´s so we can compare it to the replay of Kawairice or that unknown player someone found.
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On May 12 2012 13:52 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:48 Sinensis wrote:On May 12 2012 13:33 Cassel_Castle wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 13:32 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:26 Cassel_Castle wrote:
If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players?
If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing? All the Sc2 pros you just named were Brood War B-teamers. They cleaned the toilets in the team house. Dude I know that. That's my point. Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, Naniwa, HasuObs, and others rose up from the "toilets" of WC3 to be better than Moon, Grubby, ToD, etc. because it's a completely different game.In WC3, it was very possible for players like Stephano, Naniwa, etc. to take games off players like Grubby, Moon, etc. That shit just doesn't happen in BW. Are you kidding? MVP beat Flash. MC beat Effort. Even Idra, who was way below the levels of everyone else, took practice games off of A-teamers. BW was way more volatile than people remember, no one could maintain a 70%+ winrate in BW just like no one can maintain it in SC2. Besides Flash, all of the "bonjwas" had around a 68%-69% win rate in their period of dominance. That's all it took to be considered the best of the best. In 2010 or 11 I think there were only 5 players with a career 60%+ winrate. 5. Okay enough with you during Flash's dominant period he had closer to a 90% win rate with win streaks 10 games and longer. He had a 22 game win streak in TvT. He had a 13 game win streak PvT. He had a 14 game win streak vs all races. Your facts are wrong. I've been right in everything I've said, but no one is reading my posts properly.
Don't worry you made the point fine and i understood completely, some of the replies have been ridiculous and by people that seem to have not read anything you wrote and think you are having a bash at BW players lol
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On May 12 2012 17:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
It would be Flash, but it is far from certain that this account really is Flash´s. Unless someone can give indepth analysis of that cloud kingdom game where one could point out that all shown food numbers and production and time stamps in FPVOD matches to post game-info buildorders, there is no reason to jump into bandwagons.
Also, the VOD does not show food numbers all the time because camera moves constantly so there goes your chance to verify if it really is Flash.
They didn't hide the timer in the fpvod so from his match history we can find that game against nossave ending at exactly the same time.The chance of it being just a coincidence is very very small.
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On May 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Please, provide me material where Flashs battle.net ID has been shown with being able to differentiate i´s and L´s so we can compare it to the replay of Kawairice or that unknown player someone found.
in the FPVods, flash was playing against NosSave (or someone). What we did was stalk NosSave for recent matches, comparing build orders, to find flash was lllllll. Pretty solid evidence x)
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On May 12 2012 13:48 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 13:26 Cassel_Castle wrote:
If you just look at ex-WC3 players as a subset of SC2 players, the top players from WC3 are not the best players in SC2. Why do people expect it to be different with BW players?
If Moon, Grubby, Happy, and ToD can't continue to be better than Thorzain, Polt, Stephano, and Naniwa, why should Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork still be better than MVP, MC, NesTea, and MarineKing? what a knowledgeable guy you are, quoting Stephano as a non-TFT player, lawl as for what you're stating, it's been perfectly answered to already.
Did you even read what he said?? Far out this is stupid
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On May 12 2012 18:03 c78331 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:56 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
It would be Flash, but it is far from certain that this account really is Flash´s. Unless someone can give indepth analysis of that cloud kingdom game where one could point out that all shown food numbers and production and time stamps in FPVOD matches to post game-info buildorders, there is no reason to jump into bandwagons.
Also, the VOD does not show food numbers all the time because camera moves constantly so there goes your chance to verify if it really is Flash. They didn't hide the timer in the fpvod so from his match history we can find that game against nossave ending at exactly the same time.The chances of it being just a coincidence is very very small.
Thats only reasonable argument so far for that it really would be Flash.
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On May 12 2012 17:59 TyrantPotato wrote:
HAHA CONFIRMED!!!!!!
you can differentiate between i's and L's on sc2 ranks by using ctrl+F
Very useful information toi have
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People, the FPVOD and the replay are different games! In the FPVOD Flash is at the bottom-left while in the replay Flash is at the upper-right.
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On May 12 2012 18:03 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 18:01 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Please, provide me material where Flashs battle.net ID has been shown with being able to differentiate i´s and L´s so we can compare it to the replay of Kawairice or that unknown player someone found. in the FPVods, flash was playing against NosSave (or someone). What we did was stalk NosSave for recent matches, comparing build orders, to find flash was lllllll. Pretty solid evidence x)
The problem with this is, that you cannot know if that name is same as Flashs bnet ID. As far as I know, Flash´s ID is not announced anywhere and you cannot tell what it is made of or hell, you cant even say its lenght for sure from the image of this threads OP.
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On May 12 2012 18:05 larse wrote:
People, the FPVOD and the replay are different games! In the FPVOD Flash is at the bottom-left while in the replay Flash is at the upper-right.
they're different games lol
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