ThorZaIN joins Evil Geniuses! - Page 95

Hum... Lol, seriously? I'm not a "blind fan" of Liquid, but they've got, by far, the best line up as for foreign teams and you dont even mention them xD, by faaaaar. Hero Taeja Ret (Ret is seriously underrated, easily top 3 foreign zerg) Zenio, I mean EG got some solid players for sure, but I dont think it's even comparable to the koreans from Liquid who have huge potential and are already established (Code S this season), plus the fact that TLO Jinro and Haypro are all great pro gamers just struggling to find their place at the moment, but they all showed some amazing potential and perfomances. I know Liquid had some downtime for a while, I guess the fact that Jinro went into Code S semi finals and then no perfomances AT ALL from Liquid kinda shocked many people, but on paper Liquid is way scarier than any foreign team. Oh lol, forgot Sheth, ahah, the dude who tends to make pros look like silver league when he's in a good day, koreans included (Am I mistaken, but did Sheth all kill EG during an IPL team league or something? I know, shit happens doesnt mean that Sheth > whole EG roster, but I couldnt say for sure if he did all kill).
EG is on good tracks to get at that level but imho they're not there yet, Puma JYP and IdrA not performing as well lately, anyway anything can happen frankly, lets wait for the rosters to get a little more stable, training sessions to pay, and then I'll be fucking crazy if there is a EG v Liquid clan war :D, Thorzain JYP Huk Idra Puma v Zenio Hero Taeja Ret Sheth (/TLO), gad damn it that would be amazing

Not to start a war here, but EG actually won more matches against TL this year (and 2011 was 60%EG : 40%TL)

And is "Jinra and Haypro are just struggling to find their place at the moment" an other way to say they are slumping? And i think you forgot Zenio here, he is also searching the "his place".

Look, i'm not saying that EG>TL because that would be dumb to say (and definetly not the right place in this thread). You can't just say that a Team is better than an other Team unless it is so by miles, which it isn't here.

(I don't mean what i said in a douchey way.)

jackdaleaper

Philippines1216 Posts

May 14 2012 07:54 GMT

#1883

Wow, EG picking up another great player!

JayJay_90

Germany1632 Posts

May 14 2012 08:16 GMT

#1884

I'm not sure if this had been posted or announced before, but yesterday on Szenecast Thorzain said, that EG didn't pick him up after Dreamhack, but this had been in the making for longer. Just a little info for you non German speakers out there

Fragile51

Netherlands15767 Posts

May 14 2012 08:19 GMT

#1885

On May 14 2012 17:16 JayJay_90 wrote:
I'm not sure if this had been posted or announced before, but yesterday on Szenecast Thorzain said, that EG didn't pick him up after Dreamhack, but this had been in the making for longer. Just a little info for you non German speakers out there

I believe scoots mentioned it in a Live On 3 last week or so. Thanks for the effort though

KristofferAG

Norway25712 Posts

May 14 2012 08:33 GMT

#1886

I guess I'm glad? Never a big fan of EG, but can't deny that they probably have a better practice program. Best thing to happen for ThorZain.

TheTurk

United States732 Posts

May 14 2012 17:05 GMT

#1887

HOLY SHIT EG IS BEAST.

DeadCell.

United Kingdom6 Posts

May 14 2012 17:05 GMT

#1888

Good luck to EG and Thorzain!! =)

Bajsgrodan

Afghanistan408 Posts

May 14 2012 17:08 GMT

#1889

cant read all the comments but when is he gonna stream? and is he going to train at the EG lair and in that case when?

gosublade

632 Posts

May 14 2012 17:13 GMT

#1890

I don't always read all the comments, but when I do, its for Thorzain joining EG. Gratz to both!!

Spitfire

South Africa442 Posts

May 14 2012 18:38 GMT

#1891

Awesome. Hopefully that means I can see him stream more often. Or could I already have done that? I remember him announcing that he would stream a while ago and then never streamed.

UpATree

Canada38 Posts

May 14 2012 20:40 GMT

#1892

I look forward to seeing ThorZain at more offline tourney's! Also I can't wait to see how he does in GSL.

BeefMaster

United States26 Posts

May 17 2012 17:20 GMT

#1893

Sweet baby jeezuz - EG is now my favorite team!

Mothra

United States1448 Posts

May 17 2012 17:22 GMT

#1894

Right on.

Catatonic

United States699 Posts

May 17 2012 17:35 GMT

#1895

On May 14 2012 09:44 SirPinky wrote:

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On May 14 2012 09:27 Embir wrote:

On May 14 2012 06:28 Splynn wrote:

On May 14 2012 06:13 Alasper wrote:

On May 14 2012 06:10 Catatonic wrote:

On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:

On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain

Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)

Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.

Could've sworn he won 2 major tournaments at the end of last year? Oh wait he did so yea again slipping a bit early like last year but he finished on such a strong note he is still relevant so pipe down please

Except he isn't relevant, so pipe down please.

Except he is relevant, so pipe down please.

The idea that IdrA was only 'just mediorce' even in his best of days is laughable. Won king of the beta, won a MLG, Ro8 GSL, and then continued to simply win stuff once he returned from Korea; at that time he always at least placed highly.

And that IdrA isn't relevant nowadays... if that's the case then why is he playing in the Spring Arena when players like Sheth aren't? He's also doing pretty well in his NASL group when players like Thorzain aren't.

The amount of hate IdrA gets is purely due to the fact that he used to place in every tourney he entered. Is he struggling atm? Yea, compared to how he used to play, but he's still at the very least 'relevant', and saying he's not is just simply wrong.

Also, if you watch his games, he tends to play really well for a while and then make one or two stupid mistakes that cost him the game. He's still got the potential to remake himself into the one of the best foreigners with only minor tweaking. If that's not relevance, then what is?

I would like to point out that his greatest successes came during first days of SC2 - game was new, people didn't knew exactly how to deal with certain builds, how to macro efficiently. In short - there werent many good players. In those days IdrA's solid play was sufficent. Not anymore.

But even putting mechanics aside, mentality of IdrA clearly is not of the one who wants to get succes. I would like to remind you IdrA's words about MorroW - that he is terrible player and would never be succesful with zerg (that was right after IEM famous reaper play by MorroW that ended with his win), now Morrow plays brilliantly as Zerg, in NASL he manhandled Qxc with creative and spectacular play - guy is clearly good, finds fun with tweaking builds and playing zerg. Same goes with Stephano - in the same time when IdrA moans how awful is to play against Toss Stephano takes victory after victory and speaks loudly bout Zerg strenght in ZvP.

Game moves forward - skill ceiling is still increasing, new very good gamers shows up. Level of play between players is getting equal, and small niuances and innate skill starts to decide about final outcome, not a fact that someone figured out game first, thus IdrA is not good anymore.

I admit, I love to watch him - not because of his play, but because of high drama he can produce.

Well put. Encapsulated the theme of my post. I dont know if I agree if he is "not good anymore" but definitely not up to the high caliber of other players out there. He gets more credit than deserved.

Though I do have to disagree with the fact that he "gets more credit then deserved" and or that he's "definitely not up to the high caliber of other players out there." Look at the end of last year he won an IEM and Azus RoG both of which had really good players/"programmers" in them. He's on an absolutely dreadful skid might now and definatly not all there mentally but if he can get back to where he was at least mentally we'll see a resurgence from him. He just needs to get his head in the game which was made evident by Goatlust...(I hink that was the guys name?)

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