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SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
May 13 2012 21:32 GMT
#1841
Right on. Good choice EG.
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
Enzymatic
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1301 Posts
May 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#1842
On May 14 2012 02:00 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:
On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain


Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)


Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.



His latest achievement is about 2-3 days old, being the only north american to qualify for the MLG spring arena.


There's a big difference between qualifying for something, and finishing competitively in the standings and or winning.
"Who hired this awful fountain gunner? He can't hit shit." - Yiss
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
May 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#1843
On May 14 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 06:23 MildSeven wrote:
another joins the dark side

Don't blame 'em, they have cookies.
Is there a link to this "german SotG". Surprised he speaks German, would love to listen!

I think it's called "SC2pro" on twitch but i can't find the link anymore
It was with Socke, Darkforce and Thorzain
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
May 13 2012 21:36 GMT
#1844
Thor has join the dark side ><
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 21:41:28
May 13 2012 21:41 GMT
#1845
On May 14 2012 06:35 Enzymatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 02:00 nkr wrote:
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:
On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain


Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)


Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.



His latest achievement is about 2-3 days old, being the only north american to qualify for the MLG spring arena.


There's a big difference between qualifying for something, and finishing competitively in the standings and or winning.

Because to dumb people, qualifying for one of the biggest NA tournaments of the year is not a big deal.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 13 2012 21:42 GMT
#1846
It seems like everytime the big names on the EG rooster don't produce results anymore, they sign a new one. When Puma (who got signed right after winning NASL 1) stopped winning, they signed Huk (after he just won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup 3), after Huk went downwards, they got JYP (right at the time where he qualified for Code S!!). Now JYP went back to code A where he probably will stay, they have to sign the fresh crowned Dreamhack Champion Thorzain right after his tournament win.

The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
May 13 2012 21:44 GMT
#1847
On May 14 2012 06:42 TeeTS wrote:
It seems like everytime the big names on the EG rooster don't produce results anymore, they sign a new one. When Puma (who got signed right after winning NASL 1) stopped winning, they signed Huk (after he just won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup 3), after Huk went downwards, they got JYP (right at the time where he qualified for Code S!!). Now JYP went back to code A where he probably will stay, they have to sign the fresh crowned Dreamhack Champion Thorzain right after his tournament win.

The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next

I wouldn't be so quick to say players fall off after signing to EG; Puma did win NASL2, Huk won MLG, and JYP never had huge results anyway so being in Code S/Code A is still pretty cool.
Master League Terran. Huge fan of Quantic Gaming and ROOTDestiny
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 22:07:52
May 13 2012 21:53 GMT
#1848
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain


Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)


Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.



I agree with you about Idra: If it was not for his "bad boy" persona he would have been dismissed like Axlav. He is a crowd pleaser and people are waiting for the rage and trainwreck to happen. There is a reason he gets over 10k views on his stream and it is not primarily for skill - it's for entertainment. Heck, I'm a Terran player and I watch his stream!
I still think he is a good player, just not to the same level many people think he is (i.e. 0-4 MouzMorrow beat him in the showmatch). Does Morrow get 10k viewers? Lol - point proven.
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 21:55:31
May 13 2012 21:55 GMT
#1849
It's actually the other way around. If EG is talking to you during a tourney, you know that you will succeed.

Puma was talked to during nasl 1.
JYP joined EG when he still was in Code A (he got to code S later)
Thorzain was talked to during Dreamhack.
Huk was talked to during Code S and he got to Top 8.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
May 13 2012 21:56 GMT
#1850
On May 14 2012 06:44 crocodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 06:42 TeeTS wrote:
It seems like everytime the big names on the EG rooster don't produce results anymore, they sign a new one. When Puma (who got signed right after winning NASL 1) stopped winning, they signed Huk (after he just won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup 3), after Huk went downwards, they got JYP (right at the time where he qualified for Code S!!). Now JYP went back to code A where he probably will stay, they have to sign the fresh crowned Dreamhack Champion Thorzain right after his tournament win.

The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next

I wouldn't be so quick to say players fall off after signing to EG; Puma did win NASL2, Huk won MLG, and JYP never had huge results anyway so being in Code S/Code A is still pretty cool.


The point I wanted to get to is, where do you see those players EG signed over the last year now? They all were signed at a time, where they were dominant forces, considered as some of the very best of the world. Do you see any of them just near the top (Code S) right now?
EG is a team of big names, producing no results. They seem to only consider very recent success in their signings. (allways sign the player right after a big win!) And they make their signings only when the rest of the team hasn't produced anything for some time.
So this seems like they want to distract from their real problems, by signing another big name. But they don't solve their real problems. Not a single one of their top players has improved since he joined EG. That's a big deal, that doesn't get adressed at all. Instead they'll go after the next big name, when Thorzain will slump. That's how this team seems to work and that's not really solid .
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 13 2012 21:56 GMT
#1851
On May 14 2012 06:35 Enzymatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 02:00 nkr wrote:
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:
On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain


Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)


Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.



His latest achievement is about 2-3 days old, being the only north american to qualify for the MLG spring arena.


There's a big difference between qualifying for something, and finishing competitively in the standings and or winning.


Considering he beat out players such as Sheth, HuK, and other pros, it's nothing to scoff at. Sure it's not top-level Korean talent he was beating but no one realistically expects him to compete with top Koreans right now, the fact that he's still a top NA player means something.

I don't think his bracket was super tough but he did beat x6.Sleep which is not bad at all.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 22:05:34
May 13 2012 21:57 GMT
#1852
On May 14 2012 06:35 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote:
On May 14 2012 06:23 MildSeven wrote:
another joins the dark side

Don't blame 'em, they have cookies.
Is there a link to this "german SotG". Surprised he speaks German, would love to listen!

I think it's called "SC2pro" on twitch but i can't find the link anymore
It was with Socke, Darkforce and Thorzain

Ah thanks a lot, I guess it's this?:
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2pro/b/318083104
though it's a pretty long show, will take a while to find Thorzain
Edit: he joins around min 20
Get off my lawn, young punks
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
May 13 2012 22:00 GMT
#1853
On May 14 2012 06:56 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 06:44 crocodile wrote:
On May 14 2012 06:42 TeeTS wrote:
It seems like everytime the big names on the EG rooster don't produce results anymore, they sign a new one. When Puma (who got signed right after winning NASL 1) stopped winning, they signed Huk (after he just won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup 3), after Huk went downwards, they got JYP (right at the time where he qualified for Code S!!). Now JYP went back to code A where he probably will stay, they have to sign the fresh crowned Dreamhack Champion Thorzain right after his tournament win.

The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next

I wouldn't be so quick to say players fall off after signing to EG; Puma did win NASL2, Huk won MLG, and JYP never had huge results anyway so being in Code S/Code A is still pretty cool.


The point I wanted to get to is, where do you see those players EG signed over the last year now? They all were signed at a time, where they were dominant forces, considered as some of the very best of the world. Do you see any of them just near the top (Code S) right now?
EG is a team of big names, producing no results. They seem to only consider very recent success in their signings. (allways sign the player right after a big win!) And they make their signings only when the rest of the team hasn't produced anything for some time.
So this seems like they want to distract from their real problems, by signing another big name. But they don't solve their real problems. Not a single one of their top players has improved since he joined EG. That's a big deal, that doesn't get adressed at all. Instead they'll go after the next big name, when Thorzain will slump. That's how this team seems to work and that's not really solid .


as long as they are the most talked about team their sponsors are happy so it's not like they really have to care.
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
May 13 2012 22:03 GMT
#1854
For some reason I thought that this has been coming for a long time ^^ Anyway, I'm really happy about this- to see Thorzain with more moneys behind him to travel. He always has been one of my favourite players!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 22:05:06
May 13 2012 22:04 GMT
#1855
On May 14 2012 06:56 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 06:44 crocodile wrote:
On May 14 2012 06:42 TeeTS wrote:
It seems like everytime the big names on the EG rooster don't produce results anymore, they sign a new one. When Puma (who got signed right after winning NASL 1) stopped winning, they signed Huk (after he just won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup 3), after Huk went downwards, they got JYP (right at the time where he qualified for Code S!!). Now JYP went back to code A where he probably will stay, they have to sign the fresh crowned Dreamhack Champion Thorzain right after his tournament win.

The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next

I wouldn't be so quick to say players fall off after signing to EG; Puma did win NASL2, Huk won MLG, and JYP never had huge results anyway so being in Code S/Code A is still pretty cool.


The point I wanted to get to is, where do you see those players EG signed over the last year now? They all were signed at a time, where they were dominant forces, considered as some of the very best of the world. Do you see any of them just near the top (Code S) right now?
EG is a team of big names, producing no results. They seem to only consider very recent success in their signings. (allways sign the player right after a big win!) And they make their signings only when the rest of the team hasn't produced anything for some time.
So this seems like they want to distract from their real problems, by signing another big name. But they don't solve their real problems. Not a single one of their top players has improved since he joined EG. That's a big deal, that doesn't get adressed at all. Instead they'll go after the next big name, when Thorzain will slump. That's how this team seems to work and that's not really solid .

Sounds a lot more like the community managing to overhype singular achievements than it is EG signing "the most dominant players".

Because obviously the most financially successful eSports team in SC2 would panic and take out mortgages on their homes to pay for new players just because tournaments aren't being won.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Zenith[TheOry]
Profile Joined May 2012
United States13 Posts
May 13 2012 22:12 GMT
#1856
Nice pick-up by EG. Their line-up is starting to look pretty strong now, with DeMusliM, IdrA, JYP, HuK, Puma, and now ThorZaIN. They're probably the best foreign team right now, along with compLexity and Quantic Gaming.

Good luck to ThorZaIN, though. I'm sure he won't disappoint.
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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 13 2012 22:16 GMT
#1857
On May 14 2012 06:53 SirPinky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:
On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain


Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)


Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.



I agree with you about Idra: If it was not for his "bad boy" persona he would have been dismissed like Axlav. He is a crowd pleaser and people are waiting for the rage and trainwreck to happen. There is a reason he gets over 10k views on his stream and it is not primarily for skill - it's for entertainment. Heck, I'm a Terran player and I watch his stream!
I still think he is a good player, just not to the same level many people think he is (i.e. 0-4 MouzMorrow beat him in the showmatch). Does Morrow get 10k viewers? Lol - point proven.

Was Morrow ever the most best BW foreigner and the most dominant SC2 foreigner? (Not to mention one of the best players period at the start of SC2)

IdrA's definitely riding on previous successes, but to say none of IdrA's popularity is from skill is ignorant of a lot of SC history.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Chloroplaste
Profile Joined February 2011
France281 Posts
May 13 2012 22:18 GMT
#1858
EG picks Thorzain, Lucifron 4 0 Thorzain.
Coincidence ? I don't think so xD
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
May 13 2012 22:21 GMT
#1859
So happy for Thorzain and for EG, but so sad for Mouz . Mana, Morrow and Thorzain were my favourite power trio of european SC2.
Bora Pain minha porra!
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-13 23:58:29
May 13 2012 23:54 GMT
#1860
On May 14 2012 07:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2012 06:53 SirPinky wrote:
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote:
On May 12 2012 19:31 SayGen wrote:
EG is so loaded with talent.

Maybe we should have TeamEvilGenises.net instead of TeamLiquid.net

As if taking Huk away from liquid wans't bad enough

Puma
Huk
Idra
Thorzain


Now EG can take home, Gold, Silver, Bronze, and the honorable mention (4th place)


Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form?
Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately...

And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games.



I agree with you about Idra: If it was not for his "bad boy" persona he would have been dismissed like Axlav. He is a crowd pleaser and people are waiting for the rage and trainwreck to happen. There is a reason he gets over 10k views on his stream and it is not primarily for skill - it's for entertainment. Heck, I'm a Terran player and I watch his stream!
I still think he is a good player, just not to the same level many people think he is (i.e. 0-4 MouzMorrow beat him in the showmatch). Does Morrow get 10k viewers? Lol - point proven.

Was Morrow ever the most best BW foreigner and the most dominant SC2 foreigner? (Not to mention one of the best players period at the start of SC2)

IdrA's definitely riding on previous successes, but to say none of IdrA's popularity is from skill is ignorant of a lot of SC history.


I agree he is skilled, no doubt. I never said "none of Idra's popularity is from skill" but to receive 10k viewers on stream and have little recent success to justify viewers demonstrates its not just skill why viewers watch. Heck, i beat incontrol several times on ladder but do I get 3-4k viewers? Stephano has a hard time reaching Idra's numbers and you think Stephano is worse than Idra (no answer required)? It is the commericalism of EG that bumps many of their players into a higher teir than I think is justified. For instance, DeMuslim #1 NA Gm, gets 20% of the viewers of Idra's stream but, in my opinion, I think he is a better player.
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