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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On May 14 2012 02:00 nkr wrote: His latest achievement is about 2-3 days old, being the only north american to qualify for the MLG spring arena. There's a big difference between qualifying for something, and finishing competitively in the standings and or winning. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:30 ACrow wrote: Don't blame 'em, they have cookies. Is there a link to this "german SotG". Surprised he speaks German, would love to listen! I think it's called "SC2pro" on twitch but i can't find the link anymore  It was with Socke, Darkforce and Thorzain | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:35 Enzymatic wrote: There's a big difference between qualifying for something, and finishing competitively in the standings and or winning. Because to dumb people, qualifying for one of the biggest NA tournaments of the year is not a big deal. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next  | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:42 TeeTS wrote: It seems like everytime the big names on the EG rooster don't produce results anymore, they sign a new one. When Puma (who got signed right after winning NASL 1) stopped winning, they signed Huk (after he just won Dreamhack and Homestory Cup 3), after Huk went downwards, they got JYP (right at the time where he qualified for Code S!!). Now JYP went back to code A where he probably will stay, they have to sign the fresh crowned Dreamhack Champion Thorzain right after his tournament win. The pattern is obvious. Win a big tournament (qualifying for Code S kinda falls in that regard), get your EG contract and then lay back and fall a little off, but still get some mediocore results here and there. Wonder who's next I wouldn't be so quick to say players fall off after signing to EG; Puma did win NASL2, Huk won MLG, and JYP never had huge results anyway so being in Code S/Code A is still pretty cool. | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
On May 13 2012 06:22 Embir wrote: Speaking of talent, what IdrA is doing there in his current form? Guy clearly follows the path of Fruitdealer - these days he bears no relevance in pro players scene, literally ZERO achievements lately... And let's face it - even in his best days he was just mediocre player with poor decision making, saved by solid mechanic coming from grinding countless games. I agree with you about Idra: If it was not for his "bad boy" persona he would have been dismissed like Axlav. He is a crowd pleaser and people are waiting for the rage and trainwreck to happen. There is a reason he gets over 10k views on his stream and it is not primarily for skill - it's for entertainment. Heck, I'm a Terran player and I watch his stream! I still think he is a good player, just not to the same level many people think he is (i.e. 0-4 MouzMorrow beat him in the showmatch). Does Morrow get 10k viewers? Lol - point proven. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
Puma was talked to during nasl 1. JYP joined EG when he still was in Code A (he got to code S later) Thorzain was talked to during Dreamhack. Huk was talked to during Code S and he got to Top 8. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:44 crocodile wrote: I wouldn't be so quick to say players fall off after signing to EG; Puma did win NASL2, Huk won MLG, and JYP never had huge results anyway so being in Code S/Code A is still pretty cool. The point I wanted to get to is, where do you see those players EG signed over the last year now? They all were signed at a time, where they were dominant forces, considered as some of the very best of the world. Do you see any of them just near the top (Code S) right now? EG is a team of big names, producing no results. They seem to only consider very recent success in their signings. (allways sign the player right after a big win!) And they make their signings only when the rest of the team hasn't produced anything for some time. So this seems like they want to distract from their real problems, by signing another big name. But they don't solve their real problems. Not a single one of their top players has improved since he joined EG. That's a big deal, that doesn't get adressed at all. Instead they'll go after the next big name, when Thorzain will slump. That's how this team seems to work and that's not really solid . | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:35 Enzymatic wrote: There's a big difference between qualifying for something, and finishing competitively in the standings and or winning. Considering he beat out players such as Sheth, HuK, and other pros, it's nothing to scoff at. Sure it's not top-level Korean talent he was beating but no one realistically expects him to compete with top Koreans right now, the fact that he's still a top NA player means something. I don't think his bracket was super tough but he did beat x6.Sleep which is not bad at all. | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:35 Hardigan wrote: I think it's called "SC2pro" on twitch but i can't find the link anymore It was with Socke, Darkforce and Thorzain Ah thanks a lot, I guess it's this?: http://www.twitch.tv/sc2pro/b/318083104 though it's a pretty long show, will take a while to find Thorzain  Edit: he joins around min 20 | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:56 TeeTS wrote: The point I wanted to get to is, where do you see those players EG signed over the last year now? They all were signed at a time, where they were dominant forces, considered as some of the very best of the world. Do you see any of them just near the top (Code S) right now? EG is a team of big names, producing no results. They seem to only consider very recent success in their signings. (allways sign the player right after a big win!) And they make their signings only when the rest of the team hasn't produced anything for some time. So this seems like they want to distract from their real problems, by signing another big name. But they don't solve their real problems. Not a single one of their top players has improved since he joined EG. That's a big deal, that doesn't get adressed at all. Instead they'll go after the next big name, when Thorzain will slump. That's how this team seems to work and that's not really solid .as long as they are the most talked about team their sponsors are happy so it's not like they really have to care. | ||
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:56 TeeTS wrote: The point I wanted to get to is, where do you see those players EG signed over the last year now? They all were signed at a time, where they were dominant forces, considered as some of the very best of the world. Do you see any of them just near the top (Code S) right now? EG is a team of big names, producing no results. They seem to only consider very recent success in their signings. (allways sign the player right after a big win!) And they make their signings only when the rest of the team hasn't produced anything for some time. So this seems like they want to distract from their real problems, by signing another big name. But they don't solve their real problems. Not a single one of their top players has improved since he joined EG. That's a big deal, that doesn't get adressed at all. Instead they'll go after the next big name, when Thorzain will slump. That's how this team seems to work and that's not really solid .Sounds a lot more like the community managing to overhype singular achievements than it is EG signing "the most dominant players". Because obviously the most financially successful eSports team in SC2 would panic and take out mortgages on their homes to pay for new players just because tournaments aren't being won. | ||
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Zenith[TheOry]
United States13 Posts
Good luck to ThorZaIN, though. I'm sure he won't disappoint. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 14 2012 06:53 SirPinky wrote: I agree with you about Idra: If it was not for his "bad boy" persona he would have been dismissed like Axlav. He is a crowd pleaser and people are waiting for the rage and trainwreck to happen. There is a reason he gets over 10k views on his stream and it is not primarily for skill - it's for entertainment. Heck, I'm a Terran player and I watch his stream! I still think he is a good player, just not to the same level many people think he is (i.e. 0-4 MouzMorrow beat him in the showmatch). Does Morrow get 10k viewers? Lol - point proven. Was Morrow ever the most best BW foreigner and the most dominant SC2 foreigner? (Not to mention one of the best players period at the start of SC2) IdrA's definitely riding on previous successes, but to say none of IdrA's popularity is from skill is ignorant of a lot of SC history. | ||
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Chloroplaste
France281 Posts
Coincidence ? I don't think so xD | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
. Mana, Morrow and Thorzain were my favourite power trio of european SC2. | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
On May 14 2012 07:16 WolfintheSheep wrote: Was Morrow ever the most best BW foreigner and the most dominant SC2 foreigner? (Not to mention one of the best players period at the start of SC2) IdrA's definitely riding on previous successes, but to say none of IdrA's popularity is from skill is ignorant of a lot of SC history. I agree he is skilled, no doubt. I never said "none of Idra's popularity is from skill" but to receive 10k viewers on stream and have little recent success to justify viewers demonstrates its not just skill why viewers watch. Heck, i beat incontrol several times on ladder but do I get 3-4k viewers? Stephano has a hard time reaching Idra's numbers and you think Stephano is worse than Idra (no answer required)? It is the commericalism of EG that bumps many of their players into a higher teir than I think is justified. For instance, DeMuslim #1 NA Gm, gets 20% of the viewers of Idra's stream but, in my opinion, I think he is a better player. | ||
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