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BurningRanger
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany303 Posts
September 07 2012 10:00 GMT
#1541
Exactly, the points system has to be removed or I don't believe a single word they wrote.
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korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
September 07 2012 12:27 GMT
#1542
On September 07 2012 18:51 Not_That wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2012 13:54 korona wrote:
Fingers crossed that they don't change league offsets or how the MMR system works, but only reduce the number of skill tiers for each league to one... So we don't need to figure it out how the new system works. Seems like a great change if the number of skill tiers is reduced and nothing else changes.


Indeed. Big step in the right direction by Blizzard and kudos to them for that. Now they just need to switch over from points and bonus pool to MMR and the ladder system will be perfect. =)

Agreed. If actual MMR points were revealed it would be a huge improvement. Probably a system where both current point system (short term goals and 'feeling' of progress) and MMR points (where the system actually ranks you skill wise) were shown would be better than only showing the other.
jiN9
Profile Joined July 2011
United States20 Posts
September 08 2012 09:21 GMT
#1543
Does this tool base the amount of adjusted points by taking the displayed points and subtracting the amount of bonus pool used? If so, would the tool be confused if a player had used some bonus pool and dipped down to 0 points (thus losing the points in the pool) at the start of a season?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 18:10:00
September 08 2012 12:17 GMT
#1544
On September 08 2012 18:21 BobaMilkTea wrote:
Does this tool base the amount of adjusted points by taking the displayed points and subtracting the amount of bonus pool used? If so, would the tool be confused if a player had used some bonus pool and dipped down to 0 points (thus losing the points in the pool) at the start of a season?


ladderpoints - ( total_bonuspool - unused_bonus_pool) = adjusted points

Example A:
0 points
1000 total_server_bonus_pool
900 unused_bonus_pool
0 - (1000-900) = -100 adjusted points

Example B:
0 points
1000 total_server_bonus_pool
1000 unused_bonus_pool
0 - (1000-1000) = 0 adjusted points

So: No
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FCLogan
Profile Joined August 2012
49 Posts
September 08 2012 20:15 GMT
#1545
skeldark, should we not run the plugin (or mark all games bad) at the start of the next season till the next version of the plugin comes out with an updated database?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 20:34:19
September 08 2012 20:32 GMT
#1546
On September 09 2012 05:15 FCLogan wrote:
skeldark, should we not run the plugin (or mark all games bad) at the start of the next season till the next version of the plugin comes out with an updated database?


First i need games if the season starts, So we can calculate the offsets!
This time few thousend games should be enough to get the offset 100% accurate.
The problem was that the tiers are close to each other. League offsets are easy to get!

So i will update the database and perhaps code the values for all old seasons in the program
Than i use the db for the new games exclusive. This way your old games stay valid.

However we have to check if blizzard implemented hidden rules to make our life harder

TLDR:
We will collect data and check how the new system works. Than i decide how to deal with it.
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ScienceNotBusiness
Profile Joined March 2012
United States91 Posts
September 08 2012 20:56 GMT
#1547
Recently my mmr stats plugin stopped working. I had stopped using the program for a while, then I opened it back up one day, and it wouldn't work. So I installed the update, and then it showed a completely inaccurate graph (much lower mmr than it should be), and now it won't update any more. Any ideas what I should do here? Thanks.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 20:59:58
September 08 2012 20:59 GMT
#1548
On September 09 2012 05:56 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:
Recently my mmr stats plugin stopped working. I had stopped using the program for a while, then I opened it back up one day, and it wouldn't work. So I installed the update, and then it showed a completely inaccurate graph (much lower mmr than it should be), and now it won't update any more. Any ideas what I should do here? Thanks.

The ladder is bugged at the moment and with the big change comming up next week,

Just wait until i have a version out for the new ladder system.
This one should be allways accurate if they really reamove the tiers.


1 week for the new season and lets say 1 week for collecting data and write a new version.
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shadogi
Profile Joined November 2011
United States194 Posts
September 08 2012 22:34 GMT
#1549
How accurate is this tool? I noticed that it placed me in the low end of Diamond, but, today I was placed against several masters (rank 50ish) players. When I clicked on the opponent MMR box, it showed the masters players as being in the mid diamond range for MMR. Seems odd to me, is there something I don't understand about this tool?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 22:38:30
September 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#1550
On September 09 2012 07:34 shadogi wrote:
How accurate is this tool? I noticed that it placed me in the low end of Diamond, but, today I was placed against several masters (rank 50ish) players. When I clicked on the opponent MMR box, it showed the masters players as being in the mid diamond range for MMR. Seems odd to me, is there something I don't understand about this tool?


rank dont matter. So the master guys can be mid diamond skill.
In fact its total accurate if you play against master and its a good game.
(hope you use last version) To see if the games are good games turn "mark assumptions" on in the settings.
Save gaming: kill esport
shadogi
Profile Joined November 2011
United States194 Posts
September 08 2012 22:53 GMT
#1551
On September 09 2012 07:37 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 07:34 shadogi wrote:
How accurate is this tool? I noticed that it placed me in the low end of Diamond, but, today I was placed against several masters (rank 50ish) players. When I clicked on the opponent MMR box, it showed the masters players as being in the mid diamond range for MMR. Seems odd to me, is there something I don't understand about this tool?


rank dont matter. So the master guys can be mid diamond skill.
In fact its total accurate if you play against master and its a good game.
(hope you use last version) To see if the games are good games turn "mark assumptions" on in the settings.


If there MMR is that low, wouldn't the ladder system demote them? They each had around 100 games played this season and were around 50/50.

Also, how do you know if the game was good or not? I turned on "mark assumptions", but I don't see anything that says the quality of the game.

Thanks!!!!!
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
September 08 2012 23:00 GMT
#1552
On September 09 2012 07:53 shadogi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 07:37 skeldark wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:34 shadogi wrote:
How accurate is this tool? I noticed that it placed me in the low end of Diamond, but, today I was placed against several masters (rank 50ish) players. When I clicked on the opponent MMR box, it showed the masters players as being in the mid diamond range for MMR. Seems odd to me, is there something I don't understand about this tool?


rank dont matter. So the master guys can be mid diamond skill.
In fact its total accurate if you play against master and its a good game.
(hope you use last version) To see if the games are good games turn "mark assumptions" on in the settings.


If there MMR is that low, wouldn't the ladder system demote them? They each had around 100 games played this season and were around 50/50.

Also, how do you know if the game was good or not? I turned on "mark assumptions", but I don't see anything that says the quality of the game.

Thanks!!!!!


if the dots are gray (blue cycle gray filled) they are not good and just assumptions.

Ladder is locked at the moment and its not so easy to get demoted.
As long as he is unstable he dont get demoted.
This will change if they remove tiers next season.
And this program will be way more accurate in every game then.

Kind of sad that they only remove division tiers because we are able to analyse them but better late than never.
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 00:50:06
September 09 2012 14:52 GMT
#1553

With the upcoming change of the laddersystem, it can be, that the tool show bad data at the start of next season.
However. PLEASE KEEP USING IT!
We need to collect games in the new season to adapt to the changes.
I will be able to recalculate the bad data after the update so the gamedata is not lost!
If everything goes well, i will update the version fast and this tool will show your EXACT MMR for all leagues in future.



PS:
Im working on a way to save your old gamedata.
This way your old data will be still in the graph even if the ladder system is different now.
Save gaming: kill esport
J_aY
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom17 Posts
September 09 2012 19:37 GMT
#1554
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.analyserow(AnalyserF.java:115)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.splitit(AnalyserF.java:535)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.start(AnalyserF.java:35)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.analyse(AnalyseMaster.java:137)
at mmr.gui.GUI.updateProfile(GUI.java:726)
at mmr.gui.GUI.updateData(GUI.java:718)
at mmr.gui.GUI.<init>(GUI.java:141)
at mmr.gui.GUI.register(GUI.java:63)
at mmr.Starter.init(Starter.java:206)
at mmr.Starter.run(Starter.java:104)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


any ideas what this means? Tried googling but can't find anything
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 22:26:48
September 09 2012 19:49 GMT
#1555
On September 10 2012 04:37 VYEjay wrote:
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.analyserow(AnalyserF.java:115)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.splitit(AnalyserF.java:535)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.start(AnalyserF.java:35)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.analyse(AnalyseMaster.java:137)
at mmr.gui.GUI.updateProfile(GUI.java:726)
at mmr.gui.GUI.updateData(GUI.java:718)
at mmr.gui.GUI.<init>(GUI.java:141)
at mmr.gui.GUI.register(GUI.java:63)
at mmr.Starter.init(Starter.java:206)
at mmr.Starter.run(Starter.java:104)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


any ideas what this means? Tried googling but can't find anything

Yes.
Its means that in my code:
class AnalayserF, package aftercalc, package mmr in line 115 :
access of an array on address -1.
Because an array starts at 0, the prog crash.

Do you run latest version?
if not, sorry in 3 days comes new ladder with new system and i have to rewrite the tool so its kind of pointless to write bugfixes now.
Save gaming: kill esport
J_aY
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom17 Posts
September 09 2012 19:54 GMT
#1556
On September 10 2012 04:49 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 04:37 VYEjay wrote:
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.analyserow(AnalyserF.java:115)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.splitit(AnalyserF.java:535)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyserF.start(AnalyserF.java:35)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.analyse(AnalyseMaster.java:137)
at mmr.gui.GUI.updateProfile(GUI.java:726)
at mmr.gui.GUI.updateData(GUI.java:718)
at mmr.gui.GUI.<init>(GUI.java:141)
at mmr.gui.GUI.register(GUI.java:63)
at mmr.Starter.init(Starter.java:206)
at mmr.Starter.run(Starter.java:104)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)


any ideas what this means? Tried googling but can't find anything

Yes.
Its means than in my code:
in the class AnalayserF, package aftercalc, package mmr in line 115 :
access of an array on address -1.
Because an array starts at 0, it throws an runtime exception that i catch and output this in the logfiles.
However the program will crash.

Do you run latest version?
if not,
sorry in 3 days comes new ladder with new system and i have to rewrite the tool so its kind of pointless to write bugfixes now.


Yeah i do! and no worries man thanks for the quick reply
cloverfield
Profile Joined September 2012
France3 Posts
September 09 2012 23:28 GMT
#1557
Hi evereyone,

here is my problem. I played 23 games ( which are well tracked by the soft) but i still have the message : not enough data! need more games. 0/23

Should I be worried about it ?

Thanks for any reply
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
September 09 2012 23:49 GMT
#1558
On September 10 2012 08:28 cloverfield wrote:
Hi evereyone,

here is my problem. I played 23 games ( which are well tracked by the soft) but i still have the message : not enough data! need more games. 0/23

Should I be worried about it ?

Thanks for any reply

yes. in 23 games there should be a good one.
What does the log say after the game?
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Cocoabean
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada90 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 00:37:31
September 10 2012 00:05 GMT
#1559
Edit out, nvm.
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cloverfield
Profile Joined September 2012
France3 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 07:58:20
September 10 2012 07:57 GMT
#1560
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