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TechSc2
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands554 Posts
June 02 2012 01:30 GMT
#621
@skeldark

Next week you'll get about 10-15 games played in a row at least 2-3 times. or are you looking for even bigger sample?

I know FGFuture will be holding a 50 game marathon, so maybe if you contact him you can get him to use the plugin to capture those 50 games
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skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 01:40:06
June 02 2012 01:34 GMT
#622
On June 02 2012 10:30 TechSc2 wrote:
@skeldark

Next week you'll get about 10-15 games played in a row at least 2-3 times. or are you looking for even bigger sample?

I know FGFuture will be holding a 50 game marathon, so maybe if you contact him you can get him to use the plugin to capture those 50 games

The time dont care. With "in a row" i mean that my tool is running at every game and dont miss one. Also that i dont have a total bad data run between them ( bliz server down ...)

this post explain how i analyse without getting into the details to much:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561&currentpage=30#595
Little bit outdated but the main points are still in use.
Save gaming: kill esport
Geos13
Profile Joined May 2011
437 Posts
June 02 2012 05:06 GMT
#623
I think there may be a bug. The win/loss indicator is no longer working for me.
Peleus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia420 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 06:20:42
June 02 2012 06:19 GMT
#624
Hey Skeldark,

Quick question. Let's say I'm playing 3 different servers (SEA, KR, NA) and I have my SEA profile selected. Obviously all SEA games will be recorded and uploaded. If I switch to KR without actively changing over my "tracking profile" to KR, obviously the games won't record from an MMR standpoint (comes up with doesn't match selected profile) but do the games still get uploaded?

I'm not using it as much as I was because it's a bit of a pain remember to switch between profiles all the time, but I'm still hoping to provide data and be useful for your 'research'.

If it turns out only games where the correct profile is selected are uploaded I'll try and be a bit more conscious of it. '


Edit: Never mind, looks as though it may have been recording anyway, did you change it to allow that? (v3.1.3)
Mendelfist
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden356 Posts
June 02 2012 08:13 GMT
#625
I found the solution for the "no debug privilege" problem with the ramscanner.

I had both 32 and 64 bit versions of Java installed, and apparently the 64 bit version is what Sc2gears used. It didn't auto update itself like the 32 bit version does, so I don't know if the problem was that it was an old version (Java SE 6) or that it was 64 bit. Uninstalling it fixed it though.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 08:21:38
June 02 2012 08:17 GMT
#626
On June 02 2012 14:06 Geos13 wrote:
I think there may be a bug. The win/loss indicator is no longer working for me.

many people report this one in different versions. However i never saw it myself.

EDIT PM

On June 02 2012 15:19 Peleus wrote:
Hey Skeldark,

Quick question. Let's say I'm playing 3 different servers (SEA, KR, NA) and I have my SEA profile selected. Obviously all SEA games will be recorded and uploaded. If I switch to KR without actively changing over my "tracking profile" to KR, obviously the games won't record from an MMR standpoint (comes up with doesn't match selected profile) but do the games still get uploaded?

I'm not using it as much as I was because it's a bit of a pain remember to switch between profiles all the time, but I'm still hoping to provide data and be useful for your 'research'.

If it turns out only games where the correct profile is selected are uploaded I'll try and be a bit more conscious of it. '


Edit: Never mind, looks as though it may have been recording anyway, did you change it to allow that? (v3.1.3)

I think it was you who suggested it.
Dont remember if i put it in in 3.1.3 or 3.2 Beta but if ramscanner enabled, it search all profiles now and switch internal to the one that fit. Also in latest i lock the "Active box" while your are ingame, so people dont change profile between start and end. (saw it in some log files)

On June 02 2012 17:13 Mendelfist wrote:
I found the solution for the "no debug privilege" problem with the ramscanner.

I had both 32 and 64 bit versions of Java installed, and apparently the 64 bit version is what Sc2gears used. It didn't auto update itself like the 32 bit version does, so I don't know if the problem was that it was an old version (Java SE 6) or that it was 64 bit. Uninstalling it fixed it though.

Interesting. Where do you find out if both are running? just over windows system-property?
i ask the other guys who had same problem if this fix it for them. Would be interesting to find out if its double installed or just 64.

Save gaming: kill esport
Mendelfist
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden356 Posts
June 02 2012 08:34 GMT
#627
On June 02 2012 17:17 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 17:13 Mendelfist wrote:
I found the solution for the "no debug privilege" problem with the ramscanner.

I had both 32 and 64 bit versions of Java installed, and apparently the 64 bit version is what Sc2gears used. It didn't auto update itself like the 32 bit version does, so I don't know if the problem was that it was an old version (Java SE 6) or that it was 64 bit. Uninstalling it fixed it though.

Interesting. Where do you find out if both are running? just over windows system-property?
i ask the other guys who had same problem if this fix it for them. Would be interesting to find out if its double installed or just 64.

You can see what versions you have installed in "Programs and Features" in the Control Panel. I think the 64 bit one says (64 bit), but I can't check anymore since I uninstalled it. In any case, having both 32 and 64 bit installed at the same time is not a problem in it self. You are supposed to be able to do that.

In the Task Manager you can see which version is running. If it says "javaw.exe" its 64 bit. If it says "javaw.exe *32" it's 32 bit.

If you feel adventurous you could always install the 64 bit version to see if something breaks. :-) Assuming you have 64 bit Windows of course.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 08:43:35
June 02 2012 08:43 GMT
#628
On June 02 2012 17:34 Mendelfist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 17:17 skeldark wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:13 Mendelfist wrote:
I found the solution for the "no debug privilege" problem with the ramscanner.

I had both 32 and 64 bit versions of Java installed, and apparently the 64 bit version is what Sc2gears used. It didn't auto update itself like the 32 bit version does, so I don't know if the problem was that it was an old version (Java SE 6) or that it was 64 bit. Uninstalling it fixed it though.

Interesting. Where do you find out if both are running? just over windows system-property?
i ask the other guys who had same problem if this fix it for them. Would be interesting to find out if its double installed or just 64.

You can see what versions you have installed in "Programs and Features" in the Control Panel. I think the 64 bit one says (64 bit), but I can't check anymore since I uninstalled it. In any case, having both 32 and 64 bit installed at the same time is not a problem in it self. You are supposed to be able to do that.

In the Task Manager you can see which version is running. If it says "javaw.exe" its 64 bit. If it says "javaw.exe *32" it's 32 bit.

If you feel adventurous you could always install the 64 bit version to see if something breaks. :-) Assuming you have 64 bit Windows of course.

Sadly i have not. I changed the error message into:
String sys = System.getProperty("sun.arch.data.model");
Logger.instance.log_text("FATALERROR Ramscanner: NO debug privilege! Java: " +sys +" Bit");
Logger.instance.log_text("Ceck if you have the System privilege and if you have only one JVM installed!");
Save gaming: kill esport
Mendelfist
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 08:51:11
June 02 2012 08:46 GMT
#629
On June 02 2012 17:43 skeldark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 17:34 Mendelfist wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:17 skeldark wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:13 Mendelfist wrote:
I found the solution for the "no debug privilege" problem with the ramscanner.

I had both 32 and 64 bit versions of Java installed, and apparently the 64 bit version is what Sc2gears used. It didn't auto update itself like the 32 bit version does, so I don't know if the problem was that it was an old version (Java SE 6) or that it was 64 bit. Uninstalling it fixed it though.

Interesting. Where do you find out if both are running? just over windows system-property?
i ask the other guys who had same problem if this fix it for them. Would be interesting to find out if its double installed or just 64.

You can see what versions you have installed in "Programs and Features" in the Control Panel. I think the 64 bit one says (64 bit), but I can't check anymore since I uninstalled it. In any case, having both 32 and 64 bit installed at the same time is not a problem in it self. You are supposed to be able to do that.

In the Task Manager you can see which version is running. If it says "javaw.exe" its 64 bit. If it says "javaw.exe *32" it's 32 bit.

If you feel adventurous you could always install the 64 bit version to see if something breaks. :-) Assuming you have 64 bit Windows of course.

Sadly i have not. I changed the error message into:
String sys = System.getProperty("sun.arch.data.model");
Logger.instance.log_text("FATALERROR Ramscanner: NO debug privilege! Java: " +sys +" Bit");
Logger.instance.log_text("Ceck if you have the System privilege and if you have only one JVM installed!");

What's the name of the call to get debug privileges? Maybe google can find other people with similar problems?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 09:31:01
June 02 2012 08:54 GMT
#630
On June 02 2012 17:46 Mendelfist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2012 17:43 skeldark wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:34 Mendelfist wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:17 skeldark wrote:
On June 02 2012 17:13 Mendelfist wrote:
I found the solution for the "no debug privilege" problem with the ramscanner.

I had both 32 and 64 bit versions of Java installed, and apparently the 64 bit version is what Sc2gears used. It didn't auto update itself like the 32 bit version does, so I don't know if the problem was that it was an old version (Java SE 6) or that it was 64 bit. Uninstalling it fixed it though.

Interesting. Where do you find out if both are running? just over windows system-property?
i ask the other guys who had same problem if this fix it for them. Would be interesting to find out if its double installed or just 64.

You can see what versions you have installed in "Programs and Features" in the Control Panel. I think the 64 bit one says (64 bit), but I can't check anymore since I uninstalled it. In any case, having both 32 and 64 bit installed at the same time is not a problem in it self. You are supposed to be able to do that.

In the Task Manager you can see which version is running. If it says "javaw.exe" its 64 bit. If it says "javaw.exe *32" it's 32 bit.

If you feel adventurous you could always install the 64 bit version to see if something breaks. :-) Assuming you have 64 bit Windows of course.

Sadly i have not. I changed the error message into:
String sys = System.getProperty("sun.arch.data.model");
Logger.instance.log_text("FATALERROR Ramscanner: NO debug privilege! Java: " +sys +" Bit");
Logger.instance.log_text("Ceck if you have the System privilege and if you have only one JVM installed!");

What's the name of the call to get debug privileges? Maybe google can find others with similar problems?

If finds a lot of people with debug privilege erros, noone with the awnser.
I dont call it myself because i can not call system functions over java. So i call a jin bib that does the job for me.

I searched the sourcecode of the bib and found a call that ends on 32.
Looks like this bib cant handle 64.


-------
EDIT:
Found a bug with mulit profiles in 3.2.
Disabled download will bring out 3.2.1 Beta today
Save gaming: kill esport
Giga
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom114 Posts
June 02 2012 14:06 GMT
#631
I just looked at this, I'm really confused..

http://i.imgur.com/mp82r.png
은하
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 02 2012 14:47 GMT
#632
On June 02 2012 23:06 GigaTOSS wrote:
I just looked at this, I'm really confused..

http://i.imgur.com/mp82r.png

I spoke with the blizzard development team and press agents and that is the official answer:

This might be confusing on the first look.
But you see a very complicated version trigger algorithm in our back-end, that cause interference.
We don't have full control over this very complicated part of the program. Also the technology to show correct version numbers is just not there yet! However our engineers work hard on finding an solution and inventing an way to show correct version numbers,
Sadly, i can not promise anything for the next patch but we might be able to bring correct version numbers Soon(tm), in a future Add-on.


+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry, forgot to change the text file.
The number in you program is the right one,

Save gaming: kill esport
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 15:07:44
June 02 2012 15:07 GMT
#633
3.3 UNSTABLE is out

Interesting new shiny icons
and uninteresting improvements in the math
and boring bugfixes
Save gaming: kill esport
Peleus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia420 Posts
June 02 2012 15:24 GMT
#634
Link at the time of posting this seems broken for beta.
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
June 02 2012 15:52 GMT
#635
On June 03 2012 00:24 Peleus wrote:
Link at the time of posting this seems broken for beta.

up in 2 min
Save gaming: kill esport
Peleus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia420 Posts
June 02 2012 15:58 GMT
#636
Getting "Fatal Exception, Don't Panic: Index 11, Size 11", click ok then when you try and enter the plugin it's always "MMR-Stats is loading.... try again."
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 16:31:05
June 02 2012 16:08 GMT
#637
On June 03 2012 00:58 Peleus wrote:
Getting "Fatal Exception, Don't Panic: Index 11, Size 11", click ok then when you try and enter the plugin it's always "MMR-Stats is loading.... try again."

whats in the system.out.put in :
sc2gears: "help" , "View system messages"
Save gaming: kill esport
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 16:27:33
June 02 2012 16:26 GMT
#638
On June 03 2012 00:58 Peleus wrote:
Getting "Fatal Exception, Don't Panic: Index 11, Size 11", click ok then when you try and enter the plugin it's always "MMR-Stats is loading.... try again."


I have almost the same bug, but here it is index 36 size 36. =(

Edit:


java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException: Index: 36, Size: 36
at java.util.ArrayList.RangeCheck(Unknown Source)
at java.util.ArrayList.get(Unknown Source)
at mmr.aftercalc.MMRCalculator.calculate_mmr(MMRCalculator.java:30)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.create_graphgames(AnalyseMaster.java:117)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.analyse(AnalyseMaster.java:52)
at mmr.gui.MmrGUI.updateProfile(MmrGUI.java:652)
at mmr.gui.MmrGUI.updateData(MmrGUI.java:644)
at mmr.Main.init(Main.java8)
at mmr.Main.run(Main.java:57)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 21:59:43
June 02 2012 16:33 GMT
#639
On June 03 2012 01:26 SDream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2012 00:58 Peleus wrote:
Getting "Fatal Exception, Don't Panic: Index 11, Size 11", click ok then when you try and enter the plugin it's always "MMR-Stats is loading.... try again."


I have almost the same bug, but here it is index 36 size 36. =(

Edit:


java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException: Index: 36, Size: 36
at java.util.ArrayList.RangeCheck(Unknown Source)
at java.util.ArrayList.get(Unknown Source)
at mmr.aftercalc.MMRCalculator.calculate_mmr(MMRCalculator.java:30)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.create_graphgames(AnalyseMaster.java:117)
at mmr.aftercalc.AnalyseMaster.analyse(AnalyseMaster.java:52)
at mmr.gui.MmrGUI.updateProfile(MmrGUI.java:652)
at mmr.gui.MmrGUI.updateData(MmrGUI.java:644)
at mmr.Main.init(Main.java8)
at mmr.Main.run(Main.java:57)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

oh. you guys have diffrent amount of graphgames to games.
Wonder how this can happen. EDIT : because you dont have 0 games on the other account like i have for testing oO

Anyways slopy programmed by me to not check for that.
Will fix is asp.

Update:
harder than i thought and i found a bug in Peleus data.
A jump over 400 points because the matchhistory of your opp was broken.
Try to find a way to detect this broken matchhistorys.


TESTVERSION is up again.
Save gaming: kill esport
SDream
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Brazil896 Posts
June 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#640
It is working now. The icon for the top1 should be the GM icon for top8 =D
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