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On October 30 2014 00:12 korona wrote:
You probably had some league threshold disabled as you thought the MMR range of both gold and silver would be just gold. Gold range is from 420 to 700. Both silver and bronze are small regarding their MMR ranges compared to the other leagues (bronze below 200, silver 200 to 420). His calculated MMR value was in silver range.
Yeah gold MMR is 420 to 700, but if you're in gold league and go below 420, you won't be immediately demoted to silver, as long as you do not cross the silver line (200). So that's why i thought (but i might be wrong) that the different zones actually overlap one another.
So if you are already in :
- silver as long as your MMR remains between 0 and 420
- gold as long as your MMR remains between 200 and 700
- platinum as long as your MMR remains between 420 and 940
you wouldn't be promoted/demoted
That's why some top silver can have a higher MMR than the lowest golds, top gold can have a higher MMR than low plats etc...
Am i wrong ?
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On October 30 2014 00:41 leopardb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 00:12 korona wrote:
You probably had some league threshold disabled as you thought the MMR range of both gold and silver would be just gold. Gold range is from 420 to 700. Both silver and bronze are small regarding their MMR ranges compared to the other leagues (bronze below 200, silver 200 to 420). His calculated MMR value was in silver range.
Yeah gold MMR is 420 to 700, but if you're in gold league and go below 420, you won't be immediately demoted to silver, as long as you do not cross the silver line (200). So that's why i thought (but i might be wrong) that the different zones actually overlap one another. So if you are already in : - silver as long as your MMR remains between 0 and 420 - gold as long as your MMR remains between 200 and 700 - platinum as long as your MMR remains between 420 and 940 you wouldn't be promoted/demoted That's why some top silver can have a higher MMR than the lowest golds, top gold can have a higher MMR than low plats etc... Am i wrong ?
Yes. You cannot be demoted at all nowadays. Only placement matches can adjust the placement downwards. Thus during the season only possibility to get demoted is to leave league and play a new placement match (exception: GM has activity criteria based on remaining bonus pool. If you go over 180 bpool in GM then you are removed from GM). The league is just 'a badge' that tells where the MMR was after the placement match. If the MMR has since dropped e.g. to the lower league range, then the player is in the lower league range regarding the MMR, but his league remains the same.
Btw, it is very common that considerable portion of 'top X' positions in certain division goes to players who actually are in lower league based on MMR. Typical scenario regarding this is a player plays quite actively but then takes one month break and comes back during the lock period. He faced full decay and thus his average opponents are now easier. His ladder points and adjusted points are unaffected. Now he wins matches with considerable rate and spends his remaining bonus pool. As a result he will be somewhere at the top of his division. And then get demoted when he plays his placement match for the next season. This is also the reason why we see lots of forum posts such as "Why was I demoted, when I was top X of Y league" at the start of new season.
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There seems to be several reports that bonus point system has been often malfunctioning on EU server in past 24 hours (points not given / removed from bonus pool, but straight to/from ladder points).
Reports such as:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2kowhv/why_is_bonus_pool_not_working/
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/12533374606
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/15007381606 (likely EU poster)
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/15006941333 (likely EU poster)
If this is happening then it is a problem regarding the MMR tool for matches for which there is no pregame data available. The rule is that if you win and you have bonus pool available after the match, half of the points were normal points (actual change points) and half bonus points. But if it is not happening, then the MMR tool will calculate the change points wrong, which will lead to incorrect MMR calculations. I do not have time play myself at the time to confirm if there is a problem. I should probably release a new DB file that locks EU data (automatically set new matches bad). Stay tuned...
By looking at the posters profiles more carefully it seems this speculation was not the cause Edit: of course this potentially could be no issue. The winter time changes occurred last weekend in most EU countries. The SC client calculates the remaining bonus pool locally based on the computer's clock (the actual bonus pool is calculated server side, but displayed pool client side). Thus it could be that some have not set their system clock to winter time (or have accidentally set the clock into the future). And now think they have 1 (or more) unusable bonus point. Remains to be seen.
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2014-10-29: Released new DB file (v. 19.4) that locks data on EU server (new good games not possible)
Read the reasoning from top of this post. Please restart sc2gears to download the new DB file. Hopefully I can release the lock soon.
It is also worth noting that next Monday the ladder lock period is supposed to begin. To prepare for this I will lock the DB on Sunday and after the final bonus pool size is known & servers locked, I will release the DB lock.
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Blizzard is asking people to post their experiences regarding the bonus pool issue at: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/15007381662 and also in the Reddit thread (link in previous post). If you have been affected by the bonus pool issue, please respond to them. When reporting remember to add time zone & that in bnet forums you cannot name the opponents (give map name and potentially first and last characters of the opponent's name or something).
(Little concerning. From the EU bnet forum threads you can get several character codes of players experiencing the issue. Also it took about five minutes to solve a character code for somebody else in the reddit poster's division just by googling...)
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Hi,
I am writing because I have a problem with sc2gear curve I played 1000 games on sc2gear but sometimes, I have some spikes. The curve up or down suddenly.
I don't understand my mmr. I may be incorrectly parameter my software.
See my pictures.
http://i.imgur.com/YdSZ9so.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IPdJ2lC.jpg
Can you help me please?
Best regards
shawnys
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On October 30 2014 17:04 shawnys wrote:I am writing because I have a problem with sc2gear curve I played 1000 games on sc2gear but sometimes, I have some spikes. The curve up or down suddenly. I don't understand my mmr. I may be incorrectly parameter my software. See my pictures. http://i.imgur.com/YdSZ9so.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/IPdJ2lC.jpgCan you help me please?
Hmm. Your graph indeed is all over the place based on the uploaded data. Thus it requires more time consuming examination. I will check it but it may take few days before I find the time.
One question for you:
1) Have you played unranked games when sc2gears is on?
(you did not have that long breaks 2) Have you had a break that was longer than 2 weeks during this season from 1v1?)
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Thanks for the answer Korona.
Sometimes,I'm playing unrancked with sc2gear open.
I don't have a long break.
Take your time, it's cool, thanks for your help.
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Hi, I played 15 games now and I always get: "ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock" in the log. What should I do to fix it?
It says 0/15 games present.
Last few games log is this: http://pastebin.com/PKPfGPxG
mmrstats was working for me one year ago. I did the update.
I got one 75% / 75% only, others were 50% / 75% or 50% / 50%. No 100% for now.
Thanks.
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On October 31 2014 06:33 KerriganSon wrote:
Hi, I played 15 games now and I always get: "ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock" in the log. What should I do to fix it?
Nothing. The reason can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23197103
I had to lock new data on EU server due to the bonus point issue that you are already aware based on the bnet forums. It would lead to incorrect calculations for those who don't have pre-game data available (either memory reader disabled or if something is wrong regarding pre-game data). To my understanding the other servers do not suffer from this issue (DB is locked only for EU).
On October 31 2014 06:33 KerriganSon wrote:It says 0/15 games present. Last few games log is this: http://pastebin.com/PKPfGPxGmmrstats was working for me one year ago. I did the update. I got one 75% / 75% only, others were 50% / 75% or 50% / 50%. No 100% for now.
Hopefully Blizzard fixes the bonus pool issue regarding EU server soon, so I can release the lock. Even after that it is nowadays little harder to get 'good games' (and little more often incorrect results appear due data errors) than a year ago. Since February Blizzard's web profiles have often been updating out-of-sync (match history updates immediately, but update of the division page can either happen immediately or take several minutes causing the data to become out-of-sync). Thus more data has to be marked bad nowadays.
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Hi Korona,
thanks for your answer! Would be possible to have a delayed read on the web profiles? I mean marking the result as incomplete and running the check again at later time (example when the next game file is stored) ? Or as an alternative, allow the user to launch the parsing once again if failed?
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On November 01 2014 00:39 KerriganSon wrote:
Hi Korona,
thanks for your answer! Would be possible to have a delayed read on the web profiles? I mean marking the result as incomplete and running the check again at later time (example when the next game file is stored) ? Or as an alternative, allow the user to launch the parsing once again if failed?
The reading has always been delayed (there has always been some short delays regarding the web profiles from time to times, but the data was earlier always synced). At the moment the data is read from the web profiles one minute after the match.
The real solution would be polling based. The tool would constantly poll the web profiles during the match and some five minutes or even more after the match. And then find the most likely 'good values' from that data based on set rules. But that solution has lots of variables and would require lots of testing. The work amount could potentially expand considerably. I wrote something about this during the summer and late spring. But decided not to put effort on it. Check this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22690095
Even if more data is set bad nowadays, people are still getting plenty of good readings. Although there are increased amount of incorrect results too, but the errors are usually easily recognizable. There are couple accounts thought like shawnys' who wrote some messages ago that are 'all over the place' (much worse than can be seen from the pictures he provided). But thankfully those are very small minority. And even from that case the correct values were found (in early check 3 good values and some 4 to 5 incorrect (thought some may have been correct but from unranked games), but still have to go through that data manually to confirm).
Also if somebody has info regarding the bonus pool issue on EU server it would be nice if you would share. Is it still happening (for some of the games bonus pool is not used (points not taken from the bonus pool for losses, no bonus points for wins))? The last report regarding the issue on multiple forums happened some 20 hours ago. I wonder if they have fixed it already.
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It has been more than 24 hours since the last report regarding the bonus pool bug on EU server on various forums. I presume Blizzard has fixed the issue? I don't have time to test it by playing at the moment. If there are EU players who have played several matches without encountering the bonus pool issue (bonus points not given for wins, points not deducted from bonus pool for losses).
I am likely going to release the EU DB lock later Today, if nobody reports that the issue continues. Though I will lock all servers on Sunday for ladder lock period preparations (will be unlocked some time next week).
2014-11-01: Released new DB file (v. 19.5) that unlocks data on EU server (good games possible once again)
Read the reasoning from top of this post. Please restart sc2gears to download the new DB file.
As ladder lock is supposed to start Monday night (local times) on each server, I will lock the DB for all servers tomorrow Sunday. It will be released early next week when all servers have started ladder lock period and the final maximum bonus pools are known.
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What happens if you "miss" a game, if you forget to have SC2gears turned on during a ladder match? Do you just turn it back on and act like nothing happened? I did this and now there seems to be an erratic spread of estimates for the MMR of my opponents.
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I'm impressed! Very cool app work
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On November 02 2014 04:54 LordYama wrote:
What happens if you "miss" a game, if you forget to have SC2gears turned on during a ladder match? Do you just turn it back on and act like nothing happened? I did this and now there seems to be an erratic spread of estimates for the MMR of my opponents.
Regarding estimate games the tool supposes that all matches have been recorded. A missing game will result a +-16 MMR points estimate inaccuracy depending if the game was won or lost. The next good game fixes the new values.
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2014-11-02: Released new DB file (v. 19.6) that locks all servers due start of ladder lock period (no new good games possible
Ladder lock period supposedly starts Monday night at local times on all servers. Korea, SEA and China should already have been locked. EU and NA will follow later. If your server has not yet been season locked, you may wait before updating the DB file. Otherwise you should restart the sc2gears and it will download the DB file automatically.
When all servers have been season locked, I will solve the final maximum bonus pools and release DB lock for MMR tool. This will happen some time in coming days.
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2014-11-03: S19 ladder lock period has started. Released new DB file (v. 19.7) that sets the final max bonus pools and unlocks data for all servers (new good games possible)
Please restart sc2gears to download the new DB file.
Maximum bonus pools for Season 19 (2014 S3) were:
EU & NA servers:
3086 for master+
1790 for diamond-
KR, SEA & CN servers:
3085 for master+
1789 for diamond-
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I have in MMR 11/294 games. Here is my profile
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3443522/1/SorrowShine/
Sorrowshine 1-3443522 US server
My MMR twice has been to diamond level. Though no Promotion. Last time I remember it was pretty accurate. I got promoted as soon as I crossed threshold.
Is MMR calculations off ?? or is there any other reason?
Thanx
PS: BTW guys you are doing a great job. 
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On November 04 2014 08:27 SorrowShine wrote:I have in MMR 11/294 games. Here is my profile http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3443522/1/SorrowShine/Sorrowshine 1-3443522 US server My MMR twice has been to diamond level. Though no Promotion. Last time I remember it was pretty accurate. I got promoted as soon as I crossed threshold. Is MMR calculations off ?? or is there any other reason?
Incorrect calculations happen sometimes (especially now as there is out-of-sync issue regarding the bnet web profiles). But as you have plenty of good games, you should most of the time be able to deduce which ones are off (most of the time the ones that cause spikes and considerably differ the other ones). If you don't have a new account (less than 25 games played + the following won mach), then you are not in higher league range, if you have not been promoted. Exception to this is of course the ladder lock period that started little over a day ago. This season it is not possible to be promoted anymore (only via leave league + new placement). Of course it helps to have the graphical display of good games on: 'config' > 'data' > 'mark assumptions / bad games' > 'save&exit'.
I still have one complex account that I promised to check last week (hopefully find time in next few days). I may take a look at your profile after that.
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Im having the following problem:
After going on a losing streak, my MMR dropped from ~1450 to about ~1000. The weird thing is that it was not a spike. All the data for my old games dropped down too, except for a couple of early games in the graph. I know that I am still playing against mid-high diamond on ladder and performing just fine, but my MMR dropped down to super low diamond and some of my old games that i won against diamond were apparently at gold level MMR. Is this supposed to happen? Was I never at 1400MMR?
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