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fried_rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
198 Posts
October 24 2013 12:30 GMT
#3381
On October 24 2013 12:45 korona wrote:
First you can enable showing which games are good:
'Config' > 'Data' > 'Mark assumptions / bad games'

Data errors rarely happen that can cause spike upwards. But it is very rare to get two data errors in a row, so you usually see immediately if a 'good game' is likely invalid. In the next version of the tool the bonus pool tick detection algorithm has been improved --> less data errors in the future. But as you likely have several consistent 'good games' in the end portion of the graph, then the end portion most likely represents your current MMR.

Also did you have a break from Starcraft lately as MMR decay can also cause such drops. Or there might be missing games?


Thanks, I didn't have that enabled. Now my graphic looks like this:
http://i.imgur.com/EYDhS9E.jpg
[image loading]

I have a big loss streak, 4 losses which were caused my computer freezing a few seconds ingame, I fixed it by updating my graphics driver T_T;

I did have a period of inactivity where I didn't play for like a month and after that I played on and off (few games a week), would that make my MMR decay so much? And seeing as I have 3 'good games' out of 94 how accurate is this? Are the assumptiosn after a 'good game' the most accurate ones?

Thanks once again.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
October 24 2013 15:23 GMT
#3382
On October 24 2013 20:17 flyrev wrote:
My MMR Plugin tool says

ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock
Common reasons: ladder lock period, web profiles not updated to new season
Visit TL thread for more information!

Could you give me more information about what this means?

What does it say in start of the MMR tool log regarding the DB file? You either have old DB file or no DB file at all. Just before you Trfel was having problems regarding the DB file.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
October 24 2013 15:27 GMT
#3383
On October 24 2013 21:30 fried_rice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 12:45 korona wrote:
First you can enable showing which games are good:
'Config' > 'Data' > 'Mark assumptions / bad games'

Data errors rarely happen that can cause spike upwards. But it is very rare to get two data errors in a row, so you usually see immediately if a 'good game' is likely invalid. In the next version of the tool the bonus pool tick detection algorithm has been improved --> less data errors in the future. But as you likely have several consistent 'good games' in the end portion of the graph, then the end portion most likely represents your current MMR.

Also did you have a break from Starcraft lately as MMR decay can also cause such drops. Or there might be missing games?


Thanks, I didn't have that enabled. Now my graphic looks like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://i.imgur.com/EYDhS9E.jpg
[image loading]


I have a big loss streak, 4 losses which were caused my computer freezing a few seconds ingame, I fixed it by updating my graphics driver T_T;

I did have a period of inactivity where I didn't play for like a month and after that I played on and off (few games a week), would that make my MMR decay so much? And seeing as I have 3 'good games' out of 94 how accurate is this? Are the assumptiosn after a 'good game' the most accurate ones?

Thanks once again.

Maximum MMR decay seems to be around 300 points, which is more than a league. Did your inactivity period happen between the first and second good game? You can check the opponent names from 'analyse log'.

Assumptions even farther away are often close as they use the typical MMR change of one match. Of course if you have missing matches between (e.g. forgot start sc2gears) decreases accuracy.
fried_rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
198 Posts
October 24 2013 15:33 GMT
#3384
On October 25 2013 00:27 korona wrote:

Maximum MMR decay seems to be around 300 points, which is more than a league. Did your inactivity period happen between the first and second good game? You can check the opponent names from 'analyse log'.

Assumptions even farther away are often close as they use the typical MMR change of one match. Of course if you have missing matches between (e.g. forgot start sc2gears) decreases accuracy.


No, I've been pretty active since I started using SC2 gears, all 90ish games are recent. I do have like 3 or 4 missing matches from fogetting to start SC2 gears.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
October 24 2013 15:38 GMT
#3385
On October 25 2013 00:33 fried_rice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 00:27 korona wrote:

Maximum MMR decay seems to be around 300 points, which is more than a league. Did your inactivity period happen between the first and second good game? You can check the opponent names from 'analyse log'.

Assumptions even farther away are often close as they use the typical MMR change of one match. Of course if you have missing matches between (e.g. forgot start sc2gears) decreases accuracy.


No, I've been pretty active since I started using SC2 gears, all 90ish games are recent. I do have like 3 or 4 missing matches from fogetting to start SC2 gears.

Then it is likely that the first 'good game' was caused by a data error especially if your 'missing games' were not between the first and second 'good game'. Wait until the next 'good game'. If it is consistent with the two last ones, then mark the first 'good game' bad via 'config' > 'data' > 'refresh' > select the game from the list > 'mark as bad game'
flyrev
Profile Joined May 2013
Norway22 Posts
October 24 2013 16:19 GMT
#3386
On October 25 2013 00:23 korona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2013 20:17 flyrev wrote:
My MMR Plugin tool says

ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock
Common reasons: ladder lock period, web profiles not updated to new season
Visit TL thread for more information!

Could you give me more information about what this means?

What does it say in start of the MMR tool log regarding the DB file? You either have old DB file or no DB file at all. Just before you Trfel was having problems regarding the DB file.



It says
18:16:57 ERROR No DB found ¨
18:16:57 Downloading new DB File...
18:16:58 FATALERROR Datahandler: failed to download new Database file
18:16:58 FATALERROR Loading DB failed
18:16:58 FATALERROR fall back to emergency DB / OUTDATED!

gl hf
fried_rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
198 Posts
October 24 2013 17:09 GMT
#3387
On October 25 2013 00:38 korona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 00:33 fried_rice wrote:
On October 25 2013 00:27 korona wrote:

Maximum MMR decay seems to be around 300 points, which is more than a league. Did your inactivity period happen between the first and second good game? You can check the opponent names from 'analyse log'.

Assumptions even farther away are often close as they use the typical MMR change of one match. Of course if you have missing matches between (e.g. forgot start sc2gears) decreases accuracy.


No, I've been pretty active since I started using SC2 gears, all 90ish games are recent. I do have like 3 or 4 missing matches from fogetting to start SC2 gears.

Then it is likely that the first 'good game' was caused by a data error especially if your 'missing games' were not between the first and second 'good game'. Wait until the next 'good game'. If it is consistent with the two last ones, then mark the first 'good game' bad via 'config' > 'data' > 'refresh' > select the game from the list > 'mark as bad game'


I'll try this then. Thanks.
flyrev
Profile Joined May 2013
Norway22 Posts
October 24 2013 17:20 GMT
#3388
On October 25 2013 01:19 flyrev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 00:23 korona wrote:
On October 24 2013 20:17 flyrev wrote:
My MMR Plugin tool says

ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock
Common reasons: ladder lock period, web profiles not updated to new season
Visit TL thread for more information!

Could you give me more information about what this means?

What does it say in start of the MMR tool log regarding the DB file? You either have old DB file or no DB file at all. Just before you Trfel was having problems regarding the DB file.



It says
18:16:57 ERROR No DB found ¨
18:16:57 Downloading new DB File...
18:16:58 FATALERROR Datahandler: failed to download new Database file
18:16:58 FATALERROR Loading DB failed
18:16:58 FATALERROR fall back to emergency DB / OUTDATED!



I downloaded the file manually as described a few pages back. Now I get pre-results at least.
gl hf
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 23:07:49
October 24 2013 21:51 GMT
#3389
On October 25 2013 02:20 flyrev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 01:19 flyrev wrote:
On October 25 2013 00:23 korona wrote:
On October 24 2013 20:17 flyrev wrote:
My MMR Plugin tool says

ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock
Common reasons: ladder lock period, web profiles not updated to new season
Visit TL thread for more information!

Could you give me more information about what this means?

What does it say in start of the MMR tool log regarding the DB file? You either have old DB file or no DB file at all. Just before you Trfel was having problems regarding the DB file.



It says
18:16:57 ERROR No DB found ¨
18:16:57 Downloading new DB File...
18:16:58 FATALERROR Datahandler: failed to download new Database file
18:16:58 FATALERROR Loading DB failed
18:16:58 FATALERROR fall back to emergency DB / OUTDATED!



I downloaded the file manually as described a few pages back. Now I get pre-results at least.

Edit: Never mind, I saved it as a .txt instead of .data.
KillerofGods
Profile Joined September 2012
United States34 Posts
October 27 2013 09:35 GMT
#3390
Hey Korona I have a question if you wouldn't mind answering it. Does leaving my league affect my mmr at all other then that of a normal game would? I am asking because I was under the belief that it wouldn't but somebody from the Battle.net forums insists that it does lower your mmr and that I am wrong. So I don't want to be spreading around false information at all so I thought I should back up my claims and ask you as I would consider you one of the knowledgable people concerning this issue. (If it' is a big deal then just ignore this post.)

Thank you for your time and happy gaming!!!

PS: Sorry for asking such a question but it just seems like Blizzard is a bit tight lipped about things like this so I went here
"insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein
Nothus
Profile Joined April 2013
United States12 Posts
October 27 2013 12:27 GMT
#3391
For some reason the plugin has decided to stop working. I've been on the latest version for a while, I have played some games in last week or so w/o sc2gears/mmr running. But now when I start the program w/ the plugin enabled it takes about 3-5 mins for it to load, and then the tracking doesn't really work after a match. I get no errors. The diagnostic tool is green all the way down.

I have re-installed the plugin. When I did and started back up it took a while but it had a conversion window showing. But then the plugin would not update after games. I keep getting the replay saved sound after every match though. I also downloaded and installed sc2gears again, same long opening time. Disable mmrstats and sc2gears opens no problems.

Is my data fubar? Since its not getting every match anyway now its not a big loss but does seem odd to suddenly have a problem.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 19:32:11
October 27 2013 17:55 GMT
#3392
On October 27 2013 18:35 KillerofGods wrote:
Hey Korona I have a question if you wouldn't mind answering it. Does leaving my league affect my mmr at all other then that of a normal game would? I am asking because I was under the belief that it wouldn't but somebody from the Battle.net forums insists that it does lower your mmr and that I am wrong. So I don't want to be spreading around false information at all so I thought I should back up my claims and ask you as I would consider you one of the knowledgable people concerning this issue. (If it' is a big deal then just ignore this post.)

Thank you for your time and happy gaming!!!

PS: Sorry for asking such a question but it just seems like Blizzard is a bit tight lipped about things like this so I went here

Leaving league does not affect MMR if you get 1 placement match after it. There are some users of the tool that somewhat abuse 'leave league' feature. Their MMR graph is 'normal' & unaffected by frequent use of 'leave league' feature (two of them that I looked closer had plenty of good games).

But if you get 5 placements it means your MMR was reset. Some accounts who have played low amount of matches after starting a fresh account have had to play 5 placements after using 'leave league'. I do not know what is the requirement for having to play only '1 placement match' after leaving the league.


Edit: Of course MMR decay can happen if there is inactivity period (or could have happened even before). Or full reset if full season is skipped in between.
Wilko
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany470 Posts
October 27 2013 18:08 GMT
#3393
From my experience it happens if you not play any game for 2 full seasons, but i don't have any definite proof for it
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
October 27 2013 18:24 GMT
#3394
On October 28 2013 03:08 Wilko wrote:
From my experience it happens if you not play any game for 2 full seasons, but i don't have any definite proof for it

Yes that rule is known (skipping full season). I was not meaning that. Some have experienced that after 'leave league' they have had to play 5 placements. But most of these reports were from the first HotS season (S12). Maybe it is e.g. requirement regarding amount of matches played after blank MMR start (so that MMR change rate has stabilized). But I have not investigated this at all.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 19:11:22
October 27 2013 19:10 GMT
#3395
On October 27 2013 21:27 Nothus wrote:
For some reason the plugin has decided to stop working. I've been on the latest version for a while, I have played some games in last week or so w/o sc2gears/mmr running. But now when I start the program w/ the plugin enabled it takes about 3-5 mins for it to load, and then the tracking doesn't really work after a match. I get no errors. The diagnostic tool is green all the way down.

I have re-installed the plugin. When I did and started back up it took a while but it had a conversion window showing. But then the plugin would not update after games. I keep getting the replay saved sound after every match though. I also downloaded and installed sc2gears again, same long opening time. Disable mmrstats and sc2gears opens no problems.

Is my data fubar? Since its not getting every match anyway now its not a big loss but does seem odd to suddenly have a problem.

First check if there are MMR tool related messages in Sc2gears system messages when MMR plugin is enabled. First select 'Help' menu > then 'View system messages'.

Also what operating system are you using? If you are using Win 8, did you just update it to v. 8.1? Few users had network IO related problems (downloading the DB file) and I believe at least the other had Win 8.1.

--

I have also been experiencing diftterent kind of problems with the latest Java virtual machine (Java 7 update 45) on Win 7. After long use Java processes have started suddenly using lots of CPU time. Few times I have needed even kill Java processes manually. This has happened with few different Java applications. I haven't had time to switch back to older Java version to see if that solves the problem.

--

But your old MMR data should be available if you have not deleted it yourself. The data is stored in following folder:
[PATH_TO]\Sc2gears\User content\Plugin file cache\mmr.plugin.MMRPlugin\

games_i.data contains the match data
games.arch contains archive data
client.data contains tool settings

It is possible that client.data could have been corrupted if the Java process has stalled when closing sc2gears. You can test this by renaming the current client.data to something else and then starting Sc2gears. But it then requires you to do all MMR tool settings again.
kryogenic
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada11 Posts
October 28 2013 11:22 GMT
#3396
I've played 9 games with Memory Reader enabled, and I'm getting "Need a game with better data 0/9"
Screenshot: http://puu.sh/51OuN.png

Is this normal, do I just have to keep laddering until I get a good game?

The system log looks like this:
Successfully copied last replay to: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-11-13  MD5_nMgjHaRHTVcjqKRoILMKP$.SC2Replay
Failed to store replay in the Sc2gears Database: no Authorization key is set: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-11-13 MD5_nMgjHaRHTVcjqKRoILMKP$.SC2Replay
Successfully copied last replay to: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-31-06 MD5_lqWH3K$LwO#PPrmfQiNAKA.SC2Replay
Failed to store replay in the Sc2gears Database: no Authorization key is set: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-31-06 MD5_lqWH3K$LwO#PPrmfQiNAKA.SC2Replay
pizza
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-28 16:35:53
October 28 2013 16:35 GMT
#3397
On October 28 2013 20:22 kryogenic wrote:
I've played 9 games with Memory Reader enabled, and I'm getting "Need a game with better data 0/9"
Screenshot: http://puu.sh/51OuN.png

Is this normal, do I just have to keep laddering until I get a good game?

The system log looks like this:
Successfully copied last replay to: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-11-13  MD5_nMgjHaRHTVcjqKRoILMKP$.SC2Replay
Failed to store replay in the Sc2gears Database: no Authorization key is set: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-11-13 MD5_nMgjHaRHTVcjqKRoILMKP$.SC2Replay
Successfully copied last replay to: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-31-06 MD5_lqWH3K$LwO#PPrmfQiNAKA.SC2Replay
Failed to store replay in the Sc2gears Database: no Authorization key is set: C:\SC2Replay Archive\2013-10-28 02-31-06 MD5_lqWH3K$LwO#PPrmfQiNAKA.SC2Replay

You just need ladder more. Some info in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561&currentpage=162#3226

Regarding the log: autosave is functioning. The other line likely is that you have set it to use sc2gears database, but don't have account for it. I have never used it, so please refer to sc2gears online help if you want to use it.

Regarding MMR tool, it is usually enough to check the MMR tools own log (log button in top row). Reason why I asked sc2gears log from few previous posters, is that I get to know if the program crashes to some exception.
Nothus
Profile Joined April 2013
United States12 Posts
October 28 2013 23:34 GMT
#3398
On October 28 2013 04:10 korona wrote:
First check if there are MMR tool related messages in Sc2gears system messages when MMR plugin is enabled. First select 'Help' menu > then 'View system messages'.

Also what operating system are you using? If you are using Win 8, did you just update it to v. 8.1? Few users had network IO related problems (downloading the DB file) and I believe at least the other had Win 8.1.

--

I have also been experiencing diftterent kind of problems with the latest Java virtual machine (Java 7 update 45) on Win 7. After long use Java processes have started suddenly using lots of CPU time. Few times I have needed even kill Java processes manually. This has happened with few different Java applications. I haven't had time to switch back to older Java version to see if that solves the problem.

--

But your old MMR data should be available if you have not deleted it yourself. The data is stored in following folder:
[PATH_TO]\Sc2gears\User content\Plugin file cache\mmr.plugin.MMRPlugin\

games_i.data contains the match data
games.arch contains archive data
client.data contains tool settings

It is possible that client.data could have been corrupted if the Java process has stalled when closing sc2gears. You can test this by renaming the current client.data to something else and then starting Sc2gears. But it then requires you to do all MMR tool settings again.


Win 7 64bit. I have not updated java lately. I did have to hard turn on my comp yesterday, sc2gears was stuck and I couldn't get back to my desktop or use ctrl-alt-del or just 1 push on the power button. Anyway, after my post I did have some problems with sc2gears w/o MMRStats loaded. I think the problem is java and I need to update it. But after the reboot I just opened sc2gears and the plugin was enabled and they both opened no problem, no lag. I did update my catalyst drivers yesterday as well.

Java 1.7.0_09 b05. I just had a crash while playing sc2 but sc2gears/mmrstats seems to be working again. The system messages in sc2gears was empty.
kryogenic
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada11 Posts
October 29 2013 00:40 GMT
#3399
On October 29 2013 01:35 korona wrote:You just need ladder more. Some info in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561&currentpage=162#3226

Regarding the log: autosave is functioning. The other line likely is that you have set it to use sc2gears database, but don't have account for it. I have never used it, so please refer to sc2gears online help if you want to use it.

Regarding MMR tool, it is usually enough to check the MMR tools own log (log button in top row). Reason why I asked sc2gears log from few previous posters, is that I get to know if the program crashes to some exception.


Alright thanks. I signed up for a sc2gears database account, and I can now see my replays on their site.
I figured MMR tool would write to the system log, but now that I look at MMR tool's log I see something rather curious:

17:24:38 ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock

This happens every game, and I think it might be part of the reason why it's not figuring out my MMR.
pizza
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 07:23:36
October 29 2013 01:12 GMT
#3400
On October 29 2013 09:40 kryogenic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 01:35 korona wrote:You just need ladder more. Some info in this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561&currentpage=162#3226

Regarding the log: autosave is functioning. The other line likely is that you have set it to use sc2gears database, but don't have account for it. I have never used it, so please refer to sc2gears online help if you want to use it.

Regarding MMR tool, it is usually enough to check the MMR tools own log (log button in top row). Reason why I asked sc2gears log from few previous posters, is that I get to know if the program crashes to some exception.


Alright thanks. I signed up for a sc2gears database account, and I can now see my replays on their site.
I figured MMR tool would write to the system log, but now that I look at MMR tool's log I see something rather curious:

17:24:38 ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock

This happens every game, and I think it might be part of the reason why it's not figuring out my MMR.

Oh. Then you likely have the same problem two others reported last week. The ladder is not locked yet (will become locked next Monday).

You can download the DB file manually. See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20041385

The reason why it is not downloaded automatically is unknown. That part of the code is very old and before last week nobody had problems. You are now third who reported this, so likely on some system there are problems. What operating system are you using? If you are using Win 8 have you already updated to 8.1 and when?


Edit: I seem to be able to duplicate this problem. Deleted my DB file to see can it download it. It failed both on the current version and development version. So it is likely that something in the net code is not compatible with new Java 7 update 45. Have to investigate...

Edit 2: Replaced DB download code and it will be included in the next version of the MMR tool. I am hoping to get it published before start of next season, but there are still things in my TODO list that need to be done before it can be published. The next update will be a larger update and thus I am not quickly patching this DB download issue. In the meantime download the DB file manually if you are missing it.
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