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DeViliShChild
Profile Joined March 2011
United States8 Posts
October 30 2013 03:08 GMT
#3401
I have played 20 games and it still says "needs game with better data 0/20"

i will keep playing in hopes of a "good" game, but i want to make sure that I don't have some setting not turned on/off, or that i am somehow doing it wrong.

If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it!
KillerofGods
Profile Joined September 2012
United States34 Posts
October 30 2013 05:35 GMT
#3402
On October 30 2013 12:08 DeViliShChild wrote:
I have played 20 games and it still says "needs game with better data 0/20"

i will keep playing in hopes of a "good" game, but i want to make sure that I don't have some setting not turned on/off, or that i am somehow doing it wrong.

If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it!

I would recommend turning on the memory reader by pressing the little gearbox and also make sure you have the newest version of the tool as that will prevent you from getting a good game. Having the gearbox on greatly increases the amount of good games you will get, and it's also harder to get a good game when you are in the bottom half of your league where your opponents are capped.
"insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein
DeViliShChild
Profile Joined March 2011
United States8 Posts
October 30 2013 06:03 GMT
#3403
On October 30 2013 14:35 KillerofGods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 12:08 DeViliShChild wrote:
I have played 20 games and it still says "needs game with better data 0/20"

i will keep playing in hopes of a "good" game, but i want to make sure that I don't have some setting not turned on/off, or that i am somehow doing it wrong.

If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it!

I would recommend turning on the memory reader by pressing the little gearbox and also make sure you have the newest version of the tool as that will prevent you from getting a good game. Having the gearbox on greatly increases the amount of good games you will get, and it's also harder to get a good game when you are in the bottom half of your league where your opponents are capped.


Memory reader is on.
sc2Gears is version V. 14.3.2
MMR-Stats V. 9.6
I have been top 5 for all 20 games.
I now have played 27 games and just ranked up (and it placed me at #3) and still no MMR stats :/
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 06:27:25
October 30 2013 06:24 GMT
#3404
On October 30 2013 15:03 DeViliShChild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 14:35 KillerofGods wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:08 DeViliShChild wrote:
I have played 20 games and it still says "needs game with better data 0/20"

i will keep playing in hopes of a "good" game, but i want to make sure that I don't have some setting not turned on/off, or that i am somehow doing it wrong.

If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it!

I would recommend turning on the memory reader by pressing the little gearbox and also make sure you have the newest version of the tool as that will prevent you from getting a good game. Having the gearbox on greatly increases the amount of good games you will get, and it's also harder to get a good game when you are in the bottom half of your league where your opponents are capped.


Memory reader is on.
sc2Gears is version V. 14.3.2
MMR-Stats V. 9.6
I have been top 5 for all 20 games.
I now have played 27 games and just ranked up (and it placed me at #3) and still no MMR stats :/


Is there "ERROR No DB found" text in the start of the MMR tool log like in this example?

Then you need to download the db file manually: see my last post.

And yes. That problem will be fixed in the next version of the MMR tool. Interesting situation. It has been ages (don't even remember how many years) since have had Java code section simply stop working after JVM update (Java virtual machine). Whether the cause is a bug or intentional on Oracle's part it is unknown. But can be solved via replacing the download net code with other solution.
DeViliShChild
Profile Joined March 2011
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 22:33:31
October 30 2013 06:34 GMT
#3405
On October 30 2013 15:24 korona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 15:03 DeViliShChild wrote:
On October 30 2013 14:35 KillerofGods wrote:
On October 30 2013 12:08 DeViliShChild wrote:
I have played 20 games and it still says "needs game with better data 0/20"

i will keep playing in hopes of a "good" game, but i want to make sure that I don't have some setting not turned on/off, or that i am somehow doing it wrong.

If anyone could help i would greatly appreciate it!

I would recommend turning on the memory reader by pressing the little gearbox and also make sure you have the newest version of the tool as that will prevent you from getting a good game. Having the gearbox on greatly increases the amount of good games you will get, and it's also harder to get a good game when you are in the bottom half of your league where your opponents are capped.


Memory reader is on.
sc2Gears is version V. 14.3.2
MMR-Stats V. 9.6
I have been top 5 for all 20 games.
I now have played 27 games and just ranked up (and it placed me at #3) and still no MMR stats :/


Is there "ERROR No DB found" text in the start of the MMR tool log like in this example?

Then you need to download the db file manually: see my last post.

And yes. That problem will be fixed in the next version of the MMR tool. Interesting situation. It has been ages (don't even remember how many years) since have had Java code section simply stop working after JVM update (Java virtual machine). Whether the cause is a bug or intentional on Oracle's part it is unknown. But can be solved via replacing the download net code with other solution.


that error No DB found was it! I downloaded it and placed it in the correct folder.
Restarted MMR stats and the error is gone. I will play some games tomorrow and see if that fixes.
Thanks for such a quick response i appreciate it



***Edit***
It works now just as intended. Thanks again!
icezar
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany240 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 14:48:40
November 03 2013 14:47 GMT
#3406
Hi,

First of all: Thank You! This is greate.
I have 2 problems:

1. the db does not download automatically so every time there is an update i have to manually download it.

2. my MMR is very low :-D
i have 7/39 games, i am plat, 3rd in my division, over 50% win rate, no bonus pool and i only installed this to see when i will be promoted to diamond (i was Diamond every season until this one - i did not play in the begining of the season).
This says that my mmr is around 700 - that should be middle gold - I AM SCARED!

Edit: what should i do when i use 2 PCs to play? slouhl i alway copy files from one PC to another?

korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 15:52:08
November 03 2013 15:51 GMT
#3407
Version 10.0 was released. Please update the tool before season lock starts on your server (usually midnight local time zone). I will update details later to the original post (happens likely after EU season lock).

And yes. This was little bit rush release as DB download unexpectedly broke after JVM update and that feature was needed as season lock started/starts. Would have wanted to do extensive code review before release but there was not enough time.
icezar
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany240 Posts
November 03 2013 16:46 GMT
#3408
Thanks!
I can confirm that now the db download works.
MMR-Stats
Profile Joined January 2013
26 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 18:04:06
November 03 2013 17:43 GMT
#3409
2013-11-03: MMR tool v. 10.0 released
Please restart sc2gears to get 'update' button to appear. More details are available in the original post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14574325

Please note that you must update the tool as the old version cannot download DB files anymore.

The ladder lock period (unless Blizzard messed up) has already started on Kr, Ch and Sea servers. EU will join at midnight CET and NA at midnight PDT. I already locked the DB file. This means all matches played after this will be set as estimate matches (no good games) until final maximum bonus pools are known for each server tomorrow. I will unlock the DB file after that.

I also fixed the WoL bronze-silver offset. As there are so few WoL users I did not notice that Br-Si offset had changed when HotS was released as Blizzard kept all other offsets the same as before. The fixed value fixes graphs for those few WoL players who are in bronze MMR range.


PS: It is interesting to see if Blizzard changes offsets or makes changes to MMR decay in start of the new season (it starts one week from now). If they do it likely requires 2 to 3 weeks to collect data to be able calculate new offsets.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 18:39:58
November 03 2013 18:15 GMT
#3410
On November 03 2013 23:47 icezar wrote:
2. my MMR is very low :-D
i have 7/39 games, i am plat, 3rd in my division, over 50% win rate, no bonus pool and i only installed this to see when i will be promoted to diamond (i was Diamond every season until this one - i did not play in the begining of the season).
This says that my mmr is around 700 - that should be middle gold - I AM SCARED!

It is highly possible that you are indeed in mid gold. In some divisions you can easily be rank 1 and actually be in lower league range. Also at the moment even adjusted points do not directly hint where players are. This is due MMR decay. If player's MMR decayed after inactivity period, he will likely start winning more than 50% of his matches and adjusted points rise much higher than they would typically be for that MMR range player.

And yes there are sometimes data errors that cause incorrect calculations. But these most of the time cause spikes upwards - not downwards.

On November 03 2013 23:47 icezar wrote:
Edit: what should i do when i use 2 PCs to play? slouhl i alway copy files from one PC to another?

Match data is stored in following folder:
[PATH_TO]\Sc2gears\User content\Plugin file cache\mmr.plugin.MMRPlugin\

It is stored in file called 'games_i.data'

You can for example manually combine the files from time to time (use UTF-8 compatible text editor, notepad is not enough. You could use e.g. notepad++ http://notepad-plus-plus.org/ Also make sure the match lines are in correct order (4th value in each line contains time in long format)

Other possibility is to store that file in some network directory that both computers can access or e.g. launch sc2gears from USB stick that you alternate between the PCs.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 23:42:17
November 03 2013 22:58 GMT
#3411
New DB file has been published. Restart sc2gears to download it.

Kr, Ch and Sea server max bpools were exactly the same as last season. Even if EU and NA have not yet been locked (EU will be locked in few minutes, NA in ~9 hours), I decided to take a leap of faith. I opened the DB and set last season's max values for EU & NA too. I will recheck EU & NA tomorrow Monday.

This was mistake. Even if Blizzard has succeeded regarding season locks for last few seasons, they now potentially failed regarding EU. --> I locked EU & NA again
NiteshadeSC2
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada98 Posts
November 03 2013 22:58 GMT
#3412
So after a long time of NOT using the program (it never provided any real displayed data anwyays save for inaccurate "guesses") - I decided to turn it on, and found an update available.

Now I receive:
+ Show Spoiler +

17:34:33 Game Start detected
17:34:33 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS
17:34:33 Reading Memory ...OK
17:34:33 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles!
17:35:13 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
17:35:17 Webgrabber: Player true
17:35:21 Webgrabber: Opponent true
17:35:21 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
17:35:21 Pre-Trigger done
17:54:28 Post-trigger: Start
17:55:08 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
17:55:13 Webgrabber: Player true
17:55:17 Webgrabber: Opponent true
17:55:17 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
17:55:17 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
17:55:17 DATA Alg. A : success: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1710737/1/Niteshade/
17:55:17 DATA Alg.B: failed, Unknown change points for player: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1710737/1/Niteshade/
17:55:17 DATA Alg. A : success: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1915519/1/moneyalldae/
17:55:17 DATA Alg.B: success:http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1915519/1/moneyalldae/
17:55:17 Gamecheck: true
17:55:17 ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock
17:55:17 Common reasons: ladder lock period, web profiles not updated to new season
17:55:17 Visit TL thread for more information!
17:55:17 POST-Trigger done
17:55:17 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
17:55:17 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 75%
17:55:17 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 75%
17:55:18 OK Uploader: game uploaded
17:55:18 Ladder Game Done!


So, how do I fix it so this program will work?

Niteshade
www.niteshade.tv
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-03 23:08:56
November 03 2013 23:01 GMT
#3413
On November 04 2013 07:58 NiteshadeSC2 wrote:
So after a long time of NOT using the program (it never provided any real displayed data anwyays save for inaccurate "guesses") - I decided to turn it on, and found an update available.

Now I receive:
+ Show Spoiler +

17:34:33 Game Start detected
17:34:33 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS
17:34:33 Reading Memory ...OK
17:34:33 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles!
17:35:13 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
17:35:17 Webgrabber: Player true
17:35:21 Webgrabber: Opponent true
17:35:21 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
17:35:21 Pre-Trigger done
17:54:28 Post-trigger: Start
17:55:08 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
17:55:13 Webgrabber: Player true
17:55:17 Webgrabber: Opponent true
17:55:17 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
17:55:17 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
17:55:17 DATA Alg. A : success: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1710737/1/Niteshade/
17:55:17 DATA Alg.B: failed, Unknown change points for player: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1710737/1/Niteshade/
17:55:17 DATA Alg. A : success: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1915519/1/moneyalldae/
17:55:17 DATA Alg.B: success:http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1915519/1/moneyalldae/
17:55:17 Gamecheck: true
17:55:17 ERROR Game is set to BAD because of DB lock
17:55:17 Common reasons: ladder lock period, web profiles not updated to new season
17:55:17 Visit TL thread for more information!
17:55:17 POST-Trigger done
17:55:17 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
17:55:17 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 75%
17:55:17 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 75%
17:55:18 OK Uploader: game uploaded
17:55:18 Ladder Game Done!


So, how do I fix it so this program will work?

Niteshade

Reason: DB lock. As maximum bonus pools are unknown DB has to be locked always when season lock begins (otherwise it would give incorrect results during season lock period). Lock is released when max pools are known. I just unlocked the DB (see my last post). And estimate results are also quite accurate if there are no missing games in between and not too long from 'good results'.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 00:01:41
November 03 2013 23:05 GMT
#3414
And I should have waited. Blizzard potentially failed to lock EU... Will publish a new DB in few minutes that relocks EU and NA.

Edit:

New DB has been published. Please restart sc2gears to download it. DB for EU & NA is locked. This means all matches recorded with the tool either on EU or NA server are set as 'estimate matches' (no good games). DB for KR, CH and SEA is unlocked and good results are possible.

I will check maximum bonus pools for EU & NA during Monday & publish a new DB that unlocks those servers.


Edit 2: It is possible that EU is locked & higher max pools would be due winter time transition (1 hour more bonus pool). But we will see this later on Monday (but now to sleep 2 am here).
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-04 08:22:23
November 04 2013 08:18 GMT
#3415
New DB file has been published. Please restart sc2gears to download it (or download it via 'config' > 'Data' > 'Download new DB'). This DB unlocks EU & NA. KR, CH and SEA were already unlocked yesterday. As the tool is unlocked for all servers, 'good games' are possible again.

Final maximum bonus pools for different servers are:
EU & NA: master+ 1826, diamond- 1059
KR, CH & SEA: master+ 1825, diamond- 1058

Also note you need to have MMR tool version 10.0 that was released yesterday to be able to download the DB file. Update button will appear after restarting sc2gears if you have not installed it yet. See original post for more information about the new version http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561#1


PS: New season starts one week from now. I will likely lock DB on next Sunday (Nov 11) in preparation of this.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 21:48:53
November 10 2013 17:25 GMT
#3416
New DB file has been published as new season has started on KR, CH and SEA. S16 for EU & NA starts at midnight local time (CET for EU, PDT for NA). Please restart sc2gears and download the new DB file before the new season begins on your server.

The new DB file flags new matches as estimate matches (no good games possible). When Blizzard updates all regional web profiles to new season, I will unlock the DB. Please keep in mind that sometimes it has taken Blizzard for several days to update the web profiles. I also will be busy on Monday evening and not necessarily have time to update the DB before Tuesday.


Also as ladders seem messed up due MMR decay, one could expect that Blizzard makes some changes. There could be e.g. changes to the offsets. If there are, then the new S16 calculations will be incorrect for some time. It takes few weeks to collect enough data to be able to calculate new offsets.


Edit 1: Update from late Monday evening: Blizzard still has not updated EU and NA web profiles to S16. Kr, Ch and Sea profiles have been updated. Thus I cannot unlock the DB yet. I will recheck the situation tomorrow Tuesday

Edit 2: Both EU and NA web profiles were just updated. I will start 'season start determination' code into work... But it will take potentially few hours to get the results (may go to sleep before getting the results).
volta1
Profile Joined May 2013
13 Posts
November 11 2013 22:00 GMT
#3417
How many people use the Memory Reader feature?
I have been afraid to use it because I would not want to be banned, but do people use it and is it safe?
Has anyone even gotten banned for it?
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 23:00:25
November 11 2013 22:19 GMT
#3418
On November 12 2013 07:00 volta1 wrote:
How many people use the Memory Reader feature?
I have been afraid to use it because I would not want to be banned, but do people use it and is it safe?
Has anyone even gotten banned for it?

I have never counted. I would guess that 30 to 60 % of the users have enabled memory reader these days. When looking (just looking, not counting) at the first thousand matches recorded with the new version, it seems that some ~90% of those users have had memory reader enabled (most active users usually apply the updates first). During S14 the tool was used for over 10k different character accounts (some users have several characters). --> There are thousands of users who have enabled the memory reader.

And no. Nobody has been banned for it. Blizzard has no feasible ways to detect it (there are ways - some would lead to false positives, some would be against local laws, etc). Yes there is a risk but it is minimal. The choice has been left to you.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 03:05:49
November 12 2013 00:12 GMT
#3419
New DB file has been published. Please restart sc2gears to download it (or download it via 'config' > 'Data' > 'Download new DB').

After Blizzard updated web profiles for all servers, the bonus pool starting times could be calculated. The new DB file unlocks all servers (good games are once again possible after downloading this DB).


Edit: NA API still gives last season's data. Thus all games played on NA until Blizzard updates the API data is invalid (it is automatically set bad).
NiteshadeSC2
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada98 Posts
November 12 2013 04:12 GMT
#3420
Surprise surprise. The tool doesn't work... again.

I updated the DB, and this is what I am getting:

+ Show Spoiler +

22:44:32 MMR-Stats 10.0
22:44:32 --------INIT START--------
22:44:32 OK File-Encoding UTF-8
22:44:32 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled.
22:44:32 Loading HOTS DB file...
22:44:32 OK Loading DB version 16.1 done
22:44:33 OK DB up to date!
22:44:33 Loading character profiles:
22:44:33 Profile: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1710737/1/Niteshade/
22:44:33 Profile: http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/4398903/1/Niteshade/
22:44:33 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/4135726/1/Niteshade/
22:44:33 OK Settings loaded!
22:44:33 OK Gamedata: 65 Games loaded.
22:44:33 Loading Archive...
22:44:33 OK Gamedata: 70 Games loaded.
22:44:33 Memory scanner is enabled
22:44:33 OK Triggers ready!
22:44:34 OK: Program is up to date
22:44:34 --------INIT END--------
22:44:36 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
22:44:38 Webgrabber: Player false
22:44:39 Webgrabber: Opponent false
22:44:39 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
22:44:39 Pre-Trigger done
23:07:10 Post-trigger: Start
23:07:50 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
23:07:52 Webgrabber: Player false
23:07:54 Webgrabber: Opponent false
23:07:54 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
23:07:54 Bonus calc (Niteshade master+): max end: 47, max fetch: 47
23:07:54 Bonus calc (Niteshade diam-): max end: 27, max fetch: 27
23:07:54 Bonus calc (Maleficent master+): max end: 47, max fetch: 47
23:07:54 Bonus calc (Maleficent diam-): max end: 27, max fetch: 27
23:07:54 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
23:07:54 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1710737/1/Niteshade/
23:07:54 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1666354/1/Maleficent/
23:07:54 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid
23:07:54 Gamecheck: false
23:07:54 POST-Trigger done
23:07:54 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
23:07:54 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 0%
23:07:54 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 0%
23:07:55 OK Uploader: game uploaded
23:07:55 Ladder Game Done!
23:07:55 --------------------------


It is becoming increasingly rare to get a "good game" with this tool... rendering it somewhat useless. Over the last 38 games the tool monitored, only 1 was a "good game" with results being displayed....

I understand it is free... but....

Nites
www.niteshade.tv
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