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alcaras
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
June 16 2013 01:26 GMT
#3101
Finally promoted back to plat from gold. Here's the MMR graph (with Autocorrect on) since the start of this season, up until promotion:
http://i.imgur.com/0Zr9DJO.png
http://subcreation.net/ http://twitch.tv/alcaras/
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 20:06:33
June 18 2013 20:01 GMT
#3102
Add me to the list of people who can never seem to get a "good game". Played over 11 matches and nada =/

MMR should have carried over from last season as I only played one placement, and my opponents more or less seem to be my level. Anything else I need to check?
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
June 19 2013 13:03 GMT
#3103
So this is my graph for this season::
[image loading]

Question:
Currently in masters and sitting around the 45% overall ratio.
You can see by my graph that I very rarely hit over the actual promotion line for Masters but here I am after all the filtering for the league, still in Masters.

Is there something wrong with the promotion line or do I seriously not belong in Masters? Sort of been bugging me lol.
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
June 19 2013 13:33 GMT
#3104
Those who are wondering why results are incorrect at the moment please read the original post:
"2013-06-12: Blizzard has potentially changed league offsets --> Calculations may be incorrect until new offsets are calculated and published (takes potentially few weeks to collect enough data to calculate new offsets)"

When the new offsets are published also a new version of the tool will be released, which will archive all S11 and S12 HotS data.

---
Those who wonder why they do not get a good game:

MMR can only be calculated from some matches (you need at least one of such 'good games' for graph to appear). There are lots of requirements. You can read some from here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561&currentpage=154#3071
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
June 19 2013 13:48 GMT
#3105
So basically just play tons of games until one finally clicks? Alright, just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong. The MMR tool has been working very well on my main account btw, keep up the good work!
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
J0EBL0W
Profile Joined June 2013
1 Post
June 20 2013 08:00 GMT
#3106
I keep getting 0% date quality for myself and my opponent. Am I doing something wrong?
Trifectuh
Profile Joined January 2013
United States3 Posts
June 20 2013 22:22 GMT
#3107
For those who can't seem to get a good game, Try leaving your division and playing a few games. It seems having a bit of bonus pool available makes this thing work again?

That is, as long as you don't care about your ladder rank :D

On another note, any word on the updated league offsets for this thing?
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 21 2013 22:17 GMT
#3108
On June 19 2013 05:01 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Add me to the list of people who can never seem to get a "good game". Played over 11 matches and nada =/

MMR should have carried over from last season as I only played one placement, and my opponents more or less seem to be my level. Anything else I need to check?


I have 1/98 good games at the moment.
Red and yellow are all I see
_SpiRaL_
Profile Joined December 2012
Afghanistan1636 Posts
June 21 2013 22:18 GMT
#3109
On June 19 2013 22:03 etherealfall wrote:
So this is my graph for this season::
[image loading]

Question:
Currently in masters and sitting around the 45% overall ratio.
You can see by my graph that I very rarely hit over the actual promotion line for Masters but here I am after all the filtering for the league, still in Masters.

Is there something wrong with the promotion line or do I seriously not belong in Masters? Sort of been bugging me lol.


I have 1100 points currently, I am way above the promotion line and am in Diamond.
Red and yellow are all I see
Wilko
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany470 Posts
June 24 2013 00:05 GMT
#3110
Hm, korona, when do you think you will have enough data collected to determine the new off-sets. Any estimated date?
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
June 24 2013 00:23 GMT
#3111
On June 24 2013 09:05 Wilko wrote:
Hm, korona, when do you think you will have enough data collected to determine the new off-sets. Any estimated date?


It really depends on how much people are playing. We need to get games that match a specific criteria in order to calculate the new offsets, so it takes some time.

Cereal
FlyingBeer
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States262 Posts
June 24 2013 01:50 GMT
#3112
Have you guys thought about removing or simplifying the offsets from the MMR calculation until the new calculations are completed? I'm guessing it would increase the accuracy for most people. Just using Last Season Ending MMR + 16(wins-losses) gives me a closer calculation to what I think my MMR actually is than the plugin does.
PantsB
Profile Joined January 2011
United States77 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 05:03:27
June 24 2013 05:02 GMT
#3113
I think the quirkiness might be getting worse right now. I'm a mid-diamondish player (closer to low than high). I was promoted from plat this season aroung game 25 on this chart. After game 75 or so it retroactively made a rather.. .extreme retroactive adjustment. Before this adjustment, it had me mostly under the diamond line.

http://imgur.com/8p36ZQq
[image loading]

I play barely any Masters opponents. Its got me in every league but the one I'm actually in,.
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 14:32:15
June 24 2013 14:04 GMT
#3114
On June 24 2013 14:02 PantsB wrote:
I think the quirkiness might be getting worse right now. I'm a mid-diamondish player (closer to low than high). I was promoted from plat this season aroung game 25 on this chart. After game 75 or so it retroactively made a rather.. .extreme retroactive adjustment. Before this adjustment, it had me mostly under the diamond line.

http://imgur.com/8p36ZQq
[image loading]

I play barely any Masters opponents. Its got me in every league but the one I'm actually in,.


Yes, the tool is going through a bit of a mid life crisis. We're hoping to have it fixed soon. Whenever blizzard changes the league offsets, everything breaks.

I'll talk to Korona about simplifying how we calculate it.

EDIT: I'll try to explain how we find the offsets simply: We need to find two games played in succession that are both good games, and both played against different leagues. For example, Game 1 would be played against a master league player, and game 2 played against a diamond. We then calculate the DMMR for the player, and after subtracting them, we know the difference between the two leagues.

The reason it takes so long is because the offsets affect each other. Having an inaccurate lower league offset has some effect on the higher league offset. Since we have few players playing in the lower leagues, finding an offset for them takes a very long time. Basically, a low amount of people playing + strict criteria = long ass time.


This is how I understand it, anyway. I never looked into the offsets much.
Cereal
Aurik
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany12 Posts
June 25 2013 13:54 GMT
#3115
How much time do u think you will need to fix it? U said some weeks, but we are in S4 for some weeks now. So maybe u will have it in a few days or do you think it will take even more time? Or maybe it is possible to release a version not finaly ok but even better then the old one and update it later to a perfect one? (Sry for bad english)
AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2597 Posts
June 25 2013 13:57 GMT
#3116
Ok, guys, everyone tank your MMR to worker-rush land and then work your way back up. Let's get some good games for our MMR Rating Tool buddies!
The frumious Bandersnatch
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 14:02:36
June 25 2013 14:01 GMT
#3117
It would be nice if there were some indication if the offsets are correct or not. Maybe just make the not straight line.

On June 25 2013 22:57 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Ok, guys, everyone tank your MMR to worker-rush land and then work your way back up. Let's get some good games for our MMR Rating Tool buddies!
That's what I accidentaly did. I hope it helped a little
korona
Profile Joined October 2009
1098 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-25 14:23:59
June 25 2013 14:23 GMT
#3118
On June 25 2013 22:54 Aurik wrote:
How much time do u think you will need to fix it? U said some weeks, but we are in S4 for some weeks now. So maybe u will have it in a few days or do you think it will take even more time? Or maybe it is possible to release a version not finaly ok but even better then the old one and update it later to a perfect one? (Sry for bad english)

Hopefully today or tomorrow if nothing problematic is found. If you have clear spikes in your S12 to S13 data (the previous 2 seasons) please set the causing games bad. The new version will archive S12 & S13 data & if there are spikes they will also be in archive data.

And the tool itself needed also some changes so only changing the offsets was not enough. Sometimes things take time especially as this is a legacy program (some parts like the archiving code should be rewritten if there was time) and it is not an option to release not properly tested version that would potentially break user data.

On June 25 2013 22:57 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Ok, guys, everyone tank your MMR to worker-rush land and then work your way back up. Let's get some good games for our MMR Rating Tool buddies!

No need to start MMR abusing & potentially getting banned by Blizzard for it. Indeed there are extremely little data from bottom leagues: - e.g. only one datapoint regarding bronze-silver offsets. Will use a educated guesses based on user graphs for the lowest leagues.

On June 25 2013 23:01 Tuczniak wrote:
It would be nice if there were some indication if the offsets are correct or not. Maybe just make the not straight line.

Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 22:57 AmericanUmlaut wrote:
Ok, guys, everyone tank your MMR to worker-rush land and then work your way back up. Let's get some good games for our MMR Rating Tool buddies!
That's what I accidentaly did. I hope it helped a little

Like the original post states there were offset changes. It should be quite clear from the erratic MMR graphs too.

There were few character accounts that had been leveled up from bronze to master. They were helpful regarding visual verification.
Footymd
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada105 Posts
June 25 2013 16:29 GMT
#3119
So from what i am reading its normal for me to look at my graph and it say that my current MMR is 850~ and like an hour later with no games played it drops to 690~ and randomly bounce back
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
June 25 2013 16:42 GMT
#3120
On June 26 2013 01:29 Footymd wrote:
So from what i am reading its normal for me to look at my graph and it say that my current MMR is 850~ and like an hour later with no games played it drops to 690~ and randomly bounce back


The graph should only change when you play a game.
Cereal
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