Match Making Rating Tool - Page 141

korona

1098 Posts

April 11 2013 18:09 GMT

#2801

On April 12 2013 03:03 Chillyo wrote:
Yeah this unranked nonsense is confusing lol.

You often see reasons for those error messages if you compare the preplayer & postplayer records. In this case you can see his win/loss count did not change (+ adjusted points remained the same). This means he played either unranked match or there was problem regarding the web profile updates.

Chillyo

United States70 Posts

April 11 2013 18:35 GMT

#2802

I just got a weird error, finally got a 100% game after though, 838 MMR, SIGH. I went 0-9 the other day I bet I was close to Masters lol.

11:17:47 ERROR PRECHECK PRE-Player: WEBSERVER middle update happened!

skeldark

Germany2223 Posts

April 11 2013 19:05 GMT

#2803

On April 12 2013 03:35 Chillyo wrote:
I just got a weird error, finally got a 100% game after though, 838 MMR, SIGH. I went 0-9 the other day I bet I was close to Masters lol.

11:17:47 ERROR PRECHECK PRE-Player: WEBSERVER middle update happened!

thats an very rare mistake. It basicly mean that the update on the webeser started but was not done when it grabed the website. So it got the data in the "middle" of the "update".
Blizzards server are not the fastest and sometimes they jump for several sec between old and new results, thats why the data cant be used here.

KillerDucky

United States498 Posts

April 12 2013 01:43 GMT

#2804

Why did I go 11-4 in my last games, but my MMR is almost the same? See last 15 games on the graph here:
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IMScientist

Italy125 Posts

April 12 2013 15:11 GMT

#2805

What do you guys think about the new offsets?
From the mmr plugin i can see that about every 200 points is a new league and i feel like everyone got 1,2 leagues
above what he was before hots(some went from gold to diamond),and i see a lot more master players now.
How is master still 2%

FromShouri

United States862 Posts

April 12 2013 15:22 GMT

#2806

On April 13 2013 00:11 Lucyan wrote:
What do you guys think about the new offsets?
From the mmr plugin i can see that about every 200 points is a new league and i feel like everyone got 1,2 leagues
above what he was before hots(some went from gold to diamond),and i see a lot more master players now.
How is master still 2%

Just goes to show you how many people at least played placements.

Cocoabean

Canada90 Posts

April 13 2013 05:07 GMT

#2807

Anyone know in what scenario an ~820 MMR Diamond Protoss (~60% win rate in last 30 games) would ever match up against a Gold Zerg who has been on a losing streak?

I win 2 straight against Diamond queued players, and then all of a sudden I hit a gold player...???

InfCereal

Canada1759 Posts

April 13 2013 05:44 GMT

#2808

On April 13 2013 14:07 Cocoabean wrote:
Anyone know in what scenario an ~820 MMR Diamond Protoss (~60% win rate in last 30 games) would ever match up against a Gold Zerg who has been on a losing streak?

I win 2 straight against Diamond queued players, and then all of a sudden I hit a gold player...???

I'm going to throw things out there at random:

If he placed gold, and proceeded to only play unranked, he could be at your MMR range while still being gold.
He could be gold in WoL, and is currently playing his HotS placements.
He just got swarm, placed in gold, and hasn't been promoted yet.

I believe blizzard has strange search ranges for the middle leagues (The fringe leagues play people closer to their mmr, while the middle leagues play people within a broader range). It's entirely possible that he simply got the very far end of his range, and you happened to get the very bottom.

You didn't give any more information about the game, so I can't really postulate further.

InfCereal

Canada1759 Posts

April 13 2013 05:54 GMT

#2809

I would guess it has a lot to do with new players to hots. If you have a steady stream of people piling into the match maker, you're going to have highly skilled people in the lower leagues, and likewise you'll have lesser skilled people in masters because they were placed there when the match maker was less populated.

Basically it's possible there are a lot of people at an improper MMR due to the game being so new.

It's also important to note that less players = higher placement.

If there are 1000 people in WoL, then you'll have ~ 200 people in masters, and so on. If you assume there's no particular bias towards when someone buys the expansion, you could 100 select random people from the 1000 player pool, and place them into the swarm distribution. So you could take 10 bronze players, 50 silver, 10 master, a GM, etc. and then distribute them across a 20/18/24/18/18/2 (or whatever it is now), you're going to have more diamonds in masters since you only have 10 actual master, you'll need 10 more players to put in master for 2% distribution.

On the other hand, it's probably not even remotely close to 2%, and blizzard just wants us to think it is! Nios.kr says the american ladder is comprised of 6.64% master level players.

I'm also just spouting a theory. I really don't have anything to back up any of that.

leopardb

Germany92 Posts

April 13 2013 18:37 GMT

#2810

what does mean the message :

20:23:54 DATA Alg.B: failed, Unknown change points for player: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/284599/1/DayToDie/

when the points actually changed on the profile as reported in the log :

LOG FILE:
+ Show Spoiler +

20:2:53 MMR-Stats 9.1.1pre1c
20:2:53 --------INIT START--------
20:2:53 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled.
20:2:53 OK Encoding: OK
20:2:53 Loading HOTS DB file...
20:2:53 OK Loading DB version 12.3 done
20:2:54 OK DB up to date!
20:2:54 Loading character profiles:
20:2:54 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:2:54 OK Settings loaded!
20:2:54 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 0 sec
20:2:55 OK Gamedata: 79 Games loaded.
20:2:55 Loading Archive...
20:2:55 OK Gamedata: 608 Games loaded.
20:2:55 Disabling Game observer.... Testing GameStatusListener instead
20:2:55 Memory scanner is enabled
20:2:55 OK Triggers ready!
20:2:56 UPDATE: Found new program version!
20:2:56 --------INIT END--------
20:4:13 --------------------------
20:4:13 Game Start detected
20:4:13 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS
20:4:16 Reading Memory ...OK
20:4:16 Ramscanner: name1 : DayToDie
20:4:16 Ramscanner: id1 : 1-284599
20:4:16 Ramscanner: name2 : leopardb
20:4:16 Ramscanner: id2 : 1-2514216
20:4:16 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles!
20:4:56 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:5:1 Webgrabber: Player true
20:5:6 Webgrabber: Opponent true
20:5:6 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:5:6 Pre-Trigger: player 1:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:5:6 Pre-Trigger: player 2:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/284599/1/DayToDie/
20:5:6 Pre-Trigger done
20:23:45 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:23:49 Webgrabber: Player true
20:23:54 Webgrabber: Opponent true
20:23:54 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:23:54 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
20:23:54 DATA Alg. A : success: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:23:54 DATA Alg.B: success:http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:23:54 A 12 B 12

20:23:54
20:23:54 DATA Alg. A : success: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/284599/1/DayToDie/
20:23:54 DATA Alg.B: failed, Unknown change points for player: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/284599/1/DayToDie/
20:23:54 A -13 B -9999

20:23:54
20:23:54 Gamecheck: true
20:23:54 GAME:
HotS
20:23:54 PREPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2514216
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: aleksander omicron
Main race: t
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 11/4/2013
mapname: Daybreak LE
totalbonuspool: 504
Wins: 44
Looses: 39
points: 552
bonus: 31
change_points: 13
adjusted_points: 79

20:23:54 PREPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-284599
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/284599/1/DayToDie/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: muadun x-ray
Main race: r
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 13/4/2013
mapname: Bel'Shir Vestige LE
totalbonuspool: 504
Wins: 75
Looses: 76
points: 597
bonus: 0
change_points: -14
adjusted_points: 93

20:23:54 POSTPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2514216
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: aleksander omicron
Main race: t
Game race: t
gamedate: 13/4/2013
mapname: Neo Planet S LE
totalbonuspool: 504
Wins: 45
Looses: 39
points: 576
bonus: 19
change_points: 12
adjusted_points: 91

20:23:54 POSTPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-284599
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/284599/1/DayToDie/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: muadun x-ray
Main race: r
Game race: r
gamedate: 13/4/2013
mapname: Neo Planet S LE
totalbonuspool: 504
Wins: 75
Looses: 77
points: 584
bonus: 0
change_points: -13
adjusted_points: 80

20:23:54 Dataset: (GAME: HotS)
--- GAMESTART ---
TIME: 1365877384981
VALID: true
Result for player 1: W
--- GAMEEND ---

20:23:54 POST-Trigger done
20:23:54 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
20:23:54 <FONT COLOR="005500">Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 100% </font>
20:23:54 <FONT COLOR="005500">Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 75% </font>
20:23:56 OK Uploader: game uploaded
20:23:56 Ladder Game Done!
20:23:56 --------------------------

I guess i misinterpret something... which "change points" are there ?

Thx for your work :D

korona

1098 Posts

April 13 2013 18:42 GMT

#2811

On April 14 2013 03:37 leopardb wrote:
Yo

what does mean the message :

Show nested quote +

when the points actually changed on the profile as reported in the log :

LOG FILE:
+ Show Spoiler +

I guess i misinterpret something... which "change points" are there ?

Thx for your work :D

Algorithm B does not use pre-game data. As your opponent lost his change points are unknown based on Alg B (we don't know if there was a hidden part as Blizzard hides the points taken from the bonus pool). But as you had memory reader on, the algorithm A could count the change points as it also uses the pre-game profile.

iMech

United States28 Posts

April 14 2013 04:58 GMT

#2812

I'd like to confirm that I crossed the Master threshold today and got promoted immediately. The tool was spot on. Thanks for the great work.

IMScientist

Italy125 Posts

April 14 2013 11:10 GMT

#2813

I got promoted to Master :D at 938

LuckyGnomTV

Russian Federation367 Posts

April 14 2013 13:55 GMT

#2814

Im kinda cofused by requiments for GM.. it is only 1550. Is it true or is it just a bug?

korona

1098 Posts

April 14 2013 14:08 GMT

#2815

On April 14 2013 22:55 agfoxGnom wrote:
Im kinda cofused by requiments for GM.. it is only 1550. Is it true or is it just a bug?

Remember that true GM border is dynamic. The GM border in tool is static. It is set roughly to a point where master & gm players started to mix up based on last Tuesday's data.

For example if there is 1 spot available in gm it is reserved to best non-gm active player regarding MMR. And that player may have higher MMR than a typical gm player --> Regarding this example the border could be considerably higher than the mixing point.

RogueZz

Germany4 Posts

April 14 2013 18:34 GMT

#2816

Hi, the tool worked pretty good so far. But I'm missing all of my games except the last 2. Up top it still says 14/26.

Log file:
19:51:1 MMR-Stats 9.1
19:51:1 --------INIT START--------
19:51:1 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled.
19:51:1 OK Encoding: OK
19:51:1 Loading HOTS DB file...
19:51:1 OK Loading DB version 12.3 done
19:51:2 OK DB up to date!
19:51:3 Loading character profiles:
19:51:3 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1777707/1/Larogue/
19:51:3 OK Settings loaded!
19:51:3 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: -2 sec
19:51:3 OK Gamedata: 24 Games loaded.
19:51:3 Loading Archive...
19:51:3 OK Gamedata: 101 Games loaded.
19:51:3 Memory scanner is enabled
19:51:3 OK Triggers ready!
19:51:3 OK Gameobserver: ready!
19:51:4 OK: Program is up to date
19:51:4 --------INIT END--------
19:51:28 --------------------------
19:51:28 Game Start detected
19:51:28 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS
19:51:29 Reading Memory ...OK
19:51:29 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles!
19:52

Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
19:52:35 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
19:52:35 Webgrabber: Player false
19:53:0 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
19:53:0 Webgrabber: Opponent false
19:53:0 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
19:53:0 Pre-Trigger done
20:5:27 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:5:59 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
20:5:59 Webgrabber: Player false
20:6:50 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
20:6:50 Webgrabber: Opponent false
20:6:50 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:6:50 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
20:6:50 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1777707/1/Larogue/
20:6:50 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/409012/1/Yzarc/
20:6:50 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid
20:6:50 Gamecheck: false
20:6:50 POST-Trigger done
20:6:50 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
20:6:50 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 0%
20:6:50 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 0%
20:6:52 OK Uploader: game uploaded
20:6:52 Ladder Game Done!
20:6:52 --------------------------
20:7:1 --------------------------
20:7:1 Game Start detected
20:7:1 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS
20:7:1 Reading Memory ...OK
20:7:1 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles!
20:7:41 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:8:16 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
20:8:16 Webgrabber: Player false
20:8:51 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
20:8:51 Webgrabber: Opponent false
20:8:51 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:8:51 Pre-Trigger done
20:22:28 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:22:54 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
20:22:54 Webgrabber: Player false
20:23:49 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!
20:23:49 Webgrabber: Opponent false
20:23:49 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:23:49 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
20:23:49 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1777707/1/Larogue/
20:23:49 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/536506/1/Parathix/
20:23:49 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid
20:23:49 Gamecheck: false
20:23:49 POST-Trigger done
20:23:49 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
20:23:49 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 0%
20:23:49 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 0%
20:23:51 OK Uploader: game uploaded 20:23:51 Ladder Game Done!
20:23:51 --------------------------

leopardb

Germany92 Posts

April 14 2013 18:38 GMT

#2817

On April 15 2013 03:34 RogueZz wrote:
Hi, the tool worked pretty good so far. But I'm missing all of my games except the last 2. Up top it still says 14/26.

Log file:
19:51:1 MMR-Stats 9.1 19:51:1 --------INIT START-------- 19:51:1 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled. 19:51:1 OK Encoding: OK 19:51:1 Loading HOTS DB file... 19:51:1 OK Loading DB version 12.3 done 19:51:2 OK DB up to date! 19:51:3 Loading character profiles: 19:51:3 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1777707/1/Larogue/ 19:51:3 OK Settings loaded! 19:51:3 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: -2 sec 19:51:3 OK Gamedata: 24 Games loaded. 19:51:3 Loading Archive... 19:51:3 OK Gamedata: 101 Games loaded. 19:51:3 Memory scanner is enabled 19:51:3 OK Triggers ready! 19:51:3 OK Gameobserver: ready! 19:51:4 OK: Program is up to date 19:51:4 --------INIT END-------- 19:51:28 -------------------------- 19:51:28 Game Start detected 19:51:28 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS 19:51:29 Reading Memory ...OK 19:51:29 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles! 19:52

Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles 19:52:35 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 19:52:35 Webgrabber: Player false 19:53:0 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 19:53:0 Webgrabber: Opponent false 19:53:0 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles 19:53:0 Pre-Trigger done 20:5:27 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles 20:5:59 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 20:5:59 Webgrabber: Player false 20:6:50 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 20:6:50 Webgrabber: Opponent false 20:6:50 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles 20:6:50 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player) 20:6:50 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1777707/1/Larogue/ 20:6:50 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/409012/1/Yzarc/ 20:6:50 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid 20:6:50 Gamecheck: false 20:6:50 POST-Trigger done 20:6:50 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR 20:6:50 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 0% 20:6:50 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 0% 20:6:52 OK Uploader: game uploaded 20:6:52 Ladder Game Done! 20:6:52 -------------------------- 20:7:1 -------------------------- 20:7:1 Game Start detected 20:7:1 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS 20:7:1 Reading Memory ...OK 20:7:1 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles! 20:7:41 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles 20:8:16 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 20:8:16 Webgrabber: Player false 20:8:51 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 20:8:51 Webgrabber: Opponent false 20:8:51 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles 20:8:51 Pre-Trigger done 20:22:28 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles 20:22:54 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 20:22:54 Webgrabber: Player false 20:23:49 ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup! 20:23:49 Webgrabber: Opponent false 20:23:49 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles 20:23:49 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player) 20:23:49 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1777707/1/Larogue/ 20:23:49 Adjusted calculator ERROR: Invalid player data: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/536506/1/Parathix/ 20:23:49 ERROR LASTCHECK : Both players invalid 20:23:49 Gamecheck: false 20:23:49 POST-Trigger done 20:23:49 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR 20:23:49 Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 0% 20:23:49 Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 0% 20:23:51 OK Uploader: game uploaded 20:23:51 Ladder Game Done! 20:23:51 --------------------------

the problem is :

ERROR Webgrabber: Cant catch Site giveup!

EU Server is once again not available...

And when you want to post a log, pls use the button "get support" in the log window, there you have an already presented and correctly indented log ready for the forum (with the included "spoiler" tag). You just need to copy/paste it