Match Making Rating Tool - Page 139

ffadicted

United States3545 Posts

April 06 2013 19:20 GMT

#2761

So I just lost a matchup against someone who was almost 200 MMR HIGHER than me... and after the match my mmr dropped by 200! wtffff haha Explanation? That's a massive drop for one match against someone who was higher ranked than me...

Edit: tbh this isn't the first ridiculous problem I've ran into with this. I'm going to uninstall the plugin, I feel it's just fake data being showed to me that makes no sense, makes me more confused than anything really....

korona

1098 Posts

April 06 2013 19:45 GMT

#2762

On April 07 2013 04:20 ffadicted wrote:
So I just lost a matchup against someone who was almost 200 MMR HIGHER than me... and after the match my mmr dropped by 200! wtffff haha Explanation? That's a massive drop for one match against someone who was higher ranked than me...

Edit: tbh this isn't the first ridiculous problem I've ran into with this. I'm going to uninstall the plugin, I feel it's just fake data being showed to me that makes no sense, makes me more confused than anything really....

If you would have bothered to read the OP and many messages here you would know that Blizzard changed offsets for this season. It takes some time to gather enough data to calculate new ones, and when they are published old calculation is also fixed.

leopardb

Germany92 Posts

April 06 2013 20:45 GMT

#2763

Possible bug here : i got promoted to platinum as a result of this match, the log says "No Bonus Win" which is wrong (was +31) and "ERROR LASTCHECK :wrong player won". No a big problem, but interesting to notice (it's as if being promoted made me another player ? was gold before, plat after). Btw MMRStats sees me as exactly in the middle between gold and platinum (MMR=1097).

LOG FILE:
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20:38:57 MMR-Stats 9.1.1pre1a
20:38:57 --------INIT START--------
20:38:57 OK Sc2Gears auto-save is enabled.
20:38:57 OK Encoding: OK
20:38:57 Loading HOTS DB file...
20:38:57 OK Loading DB version 12.2 done
20:38:59 OK DB up to date!
20:38:59 Loading character profiles:
20:38:59 Profile: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:38:59 OK Settings loaded!
20:38:59 OK Timeclient: Systemtime offset: 0 sec
20:38:59 OK Gamedata: 48 Games loaded.
20:38:59 Loading Archive...
20:38:59 OK Gamedata: 608 Games loaded.
20:38:59 Disabling Game observer.... Testing GameStatusListener instead
20:38:59 Memory scanner is enabled
20:38:59 OK Triggers ready!
20:39:0 UPDATE: Found new program version!
20:39:0 --------INIT END--------
20:41:6 --------------------------
20:41:6 Game Start detected
20:41:6 Searching memory for character profiles for game HotS
20:41:8 Reading Memory ...OK
20:41:8 Ramscanner: name1 : Darkfury
20:41:8 Ramscanner: id1 : 1-3053944
20:41:8 Ramscanner: name2 : leopardb
20:41:8 Ramscanner: id2 : 1-2514216
20:41:8 OK Found Memory-Profile in Active-Profiles!
20:41:48 Pre-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:41:53 Webgrabber: Player true
20:41:57 Webgrabber: Opponent true
20:41:57 Pre-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:41:57 Pre-Trigger: player 1:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:41:57 Pre-Trigger: player 2:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3053944/1/Darkfury/
20:41:57 Pre-Trigger done
20:54:11 Post-trigger: Reading web profiles
20:54:16 Webgrabber: Player true
20:54:21 Webgrabber: Opponent true
20:54:21 Post-trigger: Done reading web profiles
20:54:21 Calculating adjusted points for the players (either Alg. A or B needs to succceed for certain player)
20:54:21 DATA Alg. A : success: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:54:21 DATA Alg.B: failed, No Bonus Win: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:54:21 A -97 B -9999

20:54:21
20:54:21 ERROR AFTERCHECK Bad Change : http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
20:54:21 DATA Alg. A : success: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3053944/1/Darkfury/
20:54:21 DATA Alg.B: failed, Unknown change points for player: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3053944/1/Darkfury/
20:54:21 A -7 B -9999

20:54:21
20:54:21 ERROR LASTCHECK :wrong player won
20:54:21 Gamecheck: false
20:54:21 GAME:
HotS
20:54:21 PREPLAYER 1:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2514216
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: gold
division_name: vermillion kappa
Main race: t
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 5/4/2013
mapname: Newkirk Precinct
totalbonuspool: 400
Wins: 28
Looses: 23
points: 558
bonus: 12
change_points: 11
adjusted_points: 170

20:54:21 PREPLAYER 2:
Data: true
Reading: true
Adjusted: true
Dmmr: false
id: 1-3053944
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3053944/1/Darkfury/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: gold
division_name: moratun dixie
Main race: p
Game race: unkown
gamedate: 6/4/2013
mapname: Whirlwind LE
totalbonuspool: 400
Wins: 5
Looses: 2
points: 46
bonus: 372
change_points: 0
adjusted_points: 18

20:54:21 POSTPLAYER 1:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id: 1-2514216
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2514216/1/leopardb/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: platinum
division_name: aleksander omicron
Main race: t
Game race: t
gamedate: 6/4/2013
mapname: Bel'Shir Vestige LE
totalbonuspool: 400
Wins: 29
Looses: 23
points: 473
bonus: 0
change_points: -97
adjusted_points: 73

20:54:21 POSTPLAYER 2:
Data: false
Reading: false
Adjusted: false
Dmmr: false
id: 1-3053944
playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3053944/1/Darkfury/
game: HotS
server: EU
league: gold
division_name: moratun dixie
Main race: p
Game race: p
gamedate: 6/4/2013
mapname: Bel'Shir Vestige LE
totalbonuspool: 400
Wins: 5
Looses: 3
points: 46
bonus: 365
change_points: -7
adjusted_points: 11

20:54:21 Dataset: (GAME: HotS)
--- GAMESTART ---
TIME: 1365274411923
VALID: false
Result for player 1: W
--- GAMEEND ---

20:54:21 POST-Trigger done
20:54:21 Data quality needs to be 100% to be able to calculate MMR
20:54:21 <FONT COLOR="DD0000">Data quality for calculating Player's MMR: 50% </font>
20:54:21 <FONT COLOR="DD0000">Data quality for calculating Opponent's MMR: 50% </font>
20:54:22 OK Uploader: game uploaded
20:54:22 Ladder Game Done!
20:54:22 --------------------------

korona

1098 Posts

April 06 2013 20:54 GMT

#2764

On April 07 2013 05:45 leopardb wrote:
Possible bug here : i got promoted to platinum as a result of this match, the log says "No Bonus Win" which is wrong (was +31) and "ERROR LASTCHECK :wrong player won". No a big problem, but interesting to notice (it's as if being promoted made me another player ? was gold before, plat after). Btw MMRStats sees me as exactly in the middle between gold and platinum (MMR=1097).

LOG FILE:
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No bug in this case, more like a feature regarding promotion matches that are special cases. Some of the error messages thought don't fit well with promotion matches. And the wrong player won, was because your adjusted points decreased to 73. --> tool expected you to gain points (promotions/demotions always set points to 73+used bonus pool). But that does not matter as the later checks would have set your data bad anyways.

Aimconquest

15 Posts

April 06 2013 21:23 GMT

#2765

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post this question but can't think of anywhere better

I've just been playing and currently have 2 100% games back to back. (As a side note - dunno if its something's korona's done or to do with blizzard but I've been getting a lot more 100% games since HOTS

) But despite winning my MMR hasn't changed? (I think the data was 100/75) Is this usual? (the 650 data hasn't changed and neither has the next game prediction of 666)

Image of graph below

InfCereal

Canada1759 Posts

April 06 2013 23:45 GMT

#2766

On April 07 2013 06:23 Aimconquest wrote:
Hi, not sure if this is the right place to post this question but can't think of anywhere better

I've just been playing and currently have 2 100% games back to back. (As a side note - dunno if its something's korona's done or to do with blizzard but I've been getting a lot more 100% games since HOTS

) But despite winning my MMR hasn't changed? (I think the data was 100/75) Is this usual? (the 650 data hasn't changed and neither has the next game prediction of 666)

You mean the games aren't showing up on the graph, as if they haven't been played?

Aimconquest

15 Posts

April 07 2013 00:40 GMT

#2767

On April 07 2013 08:45 InfCereal wrote:

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You mean the games aren't showing up on the graph, as if they haven't been played?

No I'm mean my MMR didn't change despite a victory. Both matches show up but both have identical MMR. Is it to do with rolling average being off?

noeljones

Australia119 Posts

April 07 2013 01:15 GMT

#2768

Not sure if this helps anyone, but I got promoted to masters at 2063 on NA while vsing a plat.

dw.Justify

Germany34 Posts

April 07 2013 18:17 GMT

#2769

ye this tool is not working atm really correct. i can make a much better estimation of my mmr myself. I played vs gm and won and the tool said he has MMr 2450 but he should have ca 2800 being low gm. Another game i played vs rank 1 master 1350 Points ca rank 20 master europe on sc2ranks giving him an Opponent mmr of 2650 what is just top 20 % master but he should be arround 2850-2900 having same values as low gms. And my value has droped now to mid masterca 2400 but im rank 6 master in the 4th best Division.

InfCereal

Canada1759 Posts

April 07 2013 18:43 GMT

#2770

On April 08 2013 03:17 dw.Justify wrote:
ye this tool is not working atm really correct. i can make a much better estimation of my mmr myself. I played vs gm and won and the tool said he has MMr 2450 but he should have ca 2800 being low gm. Another game i played vs rank 1 master 1350 Points ca rank 20 master europe on sc2ranks giving him an Opponent mmr of 2650 what is just top 20 % master but he should be arround 2850-2900 having same values as low gms. And my value has droped now to mid masterca 2400 but im rank 6 master in the 4th best Division.

I'm not entirely sure I understand you correctly.

When the tool said he had 2450 MMR, what values are you using to calculate the 2800?

Skirmjan

Italy190 Posts

April 07 2013 19:51 GMT

#2771

He's using the GM promotion line that is approximately at 2800 MMR in the graph, but if it hasn't been changed in the last few days that thing is pretty outdated

btw i met a GM too around 2400 MMR, but it doesn't seem to be a likely event (and my graph is wildly inaccurate due to having 2-3 good data games max)
do we have an approximate ETA for when you guys get enough data to recalculate offsets?

FCLogan

49 Posts

April 08 2013 05:43 GMT

#2772

I had a 166 point drop after a game earlier today and a warning in the log telling me to mark a game as bad if I don't have any missing games (have no missing games). But it is asking me to mark a game from several days ago (about 4 games back) as bad and not the games I played today. Is this normal? Should I mark the game as bad?

Text states, "ERROR: Game: 12 ERROR: CAN BE DATA MISTAKE! JUMP :-166 ERROR: If you DONT HAVE GAMES MISSING and you agree: ERROR: mark the game as bad in Settings-Data"

I had several good games today. Also, my MMR was around 50 points above my current level, then it spikes up 100 points for several games and now it crashed back down 166 points. I don't want to mark this as a bad game unless it actually is a bad game. Any advice? Thanks!

korona

1098 Posts

April 08 2013 12:13 GMT

#2773

On April 08 2013 14:43 FCLogan wrote:
I had a 166 point drop after a game earlier today and a warning in the log telling me to mark a game as bad if I don't have any missing games (have no missing games). But it is asking me to mark a game from several days ago (about 4 games back) as bad and not the games I played today. Is this normal? Should I mark the game as bad?

Text states, "ERROR: Game: 12 ERROR: CAN BE DATA MISTAKE! JUMP :-166 ERROR: If you DONT HAVE GAMES MISSING and you agree: ERROR: mark the game as bad in Settings-Data"

I had several good games today. Also, my MMR was around 50 points above my current level, then it spikes up 100 points for several games and now it crashed back down 166 points. I don't want to mark this as a bad game unless it actually is a bad game. Any advice? Thanks!

Do nothing at the moment as spikes are likely caused due to the offsets. If offsets would be up-to-date, then there would be a reason to consider marking that bad. There could be a data error regarding that match. E.g. if the change points were off by one there could be a considerable jump (this rarely can happen when game starts/ends near bonus pool increase time because we rely on web profiles that take their time to update. out of my 91 games this season for 1 match the change points were off by 1).

On April 08 2013 04:51 Skirmjan wrote:
He's using the GM promotion line that is approximately at 2800 MMR in the graph, but if it hasn't been changed in the last few days that thing is pretty outdated

No ETAs. Will take a look next weekend as we then have data for 2 weeks (last season in 2 weeks of data there was barely enough data for lower leagues to make educated guesses). But also have to update the analysis tools before doing that (likely straight forward update, but could be wrong as only took quick look).

Ranks mean nothing regarding MMR. Ladder points often mean nothing (sc2ranks.com only lists ladder points). Even by your adjusted points you often cannot estimate your MMR. And like it has been said multiple times tool uses offsets from last season and Blizzard has changed offsets for this season. The offsets will be updated later after enough data has been collected.

swaix

Italy2 Posts

April 08 2013 14:15 GMT

#2774

I did 30 games but I still need a "good game" I'm just unlucky or there is a bug?
is it safe to use the Read memory in order to have more possibility to get a "good game" or there is possible to be banned from bnet?!

dw.Justify

Germany34 Posts

April 08 2013 15:45 GMT

#2775

[B]ye this tool is not working atm really correct. i can make a much better estimation of my mmr myself. I played vs gm and won and the tool said he has MMr 2450 but he should have ca 2800 being low gm. Another game i played vs rank 1 master 1350 Points ca rank 20 master europe on sc2ranks giving him an Opponent mmr of 2650 what is just top 20 % master but he should be arround 2850-2900 having same values as low gms. And my value has droped now to mid masterca 2400 but im rank 6 master in the 4th best Division.

[B]Ranks mean nothing regarding MMR. Ladder points often mean nothing (sc2ranks.com only lists ladder points). Even by your adjusted points you often cannot estimate your MMR. And like it has been said multiple times tool uses offsets from last season and Blizzard has changed offsets for this season. The offsets will be updated later after enough data has been collected.

I understand that the offset in hots is not acurate at the moment and the lines means nothing atm . I wanted to use the tool for checking how close or far i am away from the grandmaster promotion. But im totally sure that the current mmr rating regarding the position of the gm promotion line is not correct. When i look at the gauss function and the diffrent league tiers i can estimate from there knowing my skill and my opponents that my mmr is ca between 2750 and 2850 mb in best case 2900. This i can tell by playing only vs the top 2 % of master players and ca 30-40 % of games vs gm while wining last 5 games vs gm.
ye rank means nothing if you are in a new division but if you look at a good division, a high rank means high points. High points after alot of games and no bonus pool are for my experience the best factor for extimating the mmr. Its than sure not the actual mmr but those of the last 20 - 50 games. If someone has 1300 points and is rank 1 master with this in a good division this also means that he is likely getting promoted to gm. (For my experience mostly rank 1 and 2 on a normal - good master division (equals mostly to ca. top 50 on sc2 ranks) had a good chance of getting promoted to grandmaster. And this should correspond to a mmr of ca 2750-2900.

Siwelcela

United States87 Posts

April 08 2013 16:28 GMT

#2776

Okay so im at the top of my division in diamond with around 600 points but the graphs shows me close to dropping back into platinum even though some of my games are against top masters players....confused i am

korona

1098 Posts

April 08 2013 17:17 GMT

#2777

On April 09 2013 00:45 dw.Justify wrote:

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Your relative master MMR is what the tool calculates from a good game against a master player. Master - GM offset is not known at the moment. Just wait for the offsets to be updated and not do guesses based on the values from tool. You can of course use not_that:s method to calculate your divisional MMR for master & solve the master GM-offset yourself to get more accurate comparisons against GMs.

True GM border is dynamic. If there is one GM spot available that is reserved for the highest non-gm active player. If you want to estimate who is in line for next spot you can e.g. search for top master players for that server on sc2ranks. Calculate adjusted points e.g. for top 15. And then add e.g. some 100 to 150 adjusted points error margins to both directions. And then you likely have quite good idea who are competing for the next spot. And calculate exact time when the next person drops out from GM and try to have the highest at that moment.

[B]On April 09 2013 01:28 Siwelcela wrote:
Okay so im at the top of my division in diamond with around 600 points but the graphs shows me close to dropping back into platinum even though some of my games are against top masters players....confused i am

Offsets are incorrect. Read questions and answers from op or almost any of my recent messages from this thread.

[B]On April 08 2013 23:15 swaix wrote:
I did 30 games but I still need a "good game" I'm just unlucky or there is a bug?
is it safe to use the Read memory in order to have more possibility to get a "good game" or there is possible to be banned from bnet?!

Very unlikely as it only reads memory. None have got banned and unlikely ever will for this mem reader.

And if memory reader is off, there are quite low chances to get good games. You have been unlucky regarding that.

Siwelcela

United States87 Posts

April 10 2013 16:23 GMT

#2778

Any updates? GO home MMR stats your drunk!

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Also have had a few times where the data restes as if i have played zero games and then after a few games picks up all the old data. Any ideas? Also im winning games at the end supposedly against much higher mmr players yet mine still drops...