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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
I second this. How the hell can idrA get 10k viewers when the 2 guys above are at least twice as good as him? And notice that terran players in general get relatively few viewers. This is a general problem with the foreign scene - that people are more interested in zerg/protoss than terran. There are almost no SC2 front figures/casters on the foreign scene that play terran. Stop being so hipster and recognize the incredible skill of top korean terrans! | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:44 Sroobz wrote: That's stupid...take this from the beginning of 2012 and see who has the lead. On May 01 2012 07:40 Sroobz wrote: This is wrong lol I've seen Stephano reach 19000 viewers and he always has like 8000+ then do research and make your own thread... i think its pretty impressive that he wrote script to check up on this and dont think gut feeling + no constructive comments gets to call it wrong and stupid outright | ||
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paintfive
785 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:33 revel8 wrote: Is it possible to sort it and present it by continent? That's depends. It's entirely possible to sort by where people come from (with some manual work). If you want have all streams from people currently in Asia, though, that's a lot tougher to do as you'd have to keep track of who is where right now. How much overlap in time is there between say Idra's and Stephano's stream? This and similar questions could be answered with the data I gathered, though I don't know yet what the best way to present such data would be. Maybe create a graph to see on which time of the day a given player is streaming. Might be interesting to see for, say, the top 10. Are more Europeans watching streams than Americans? What about Asia? I can only say when people are watching, not from where. I have no data at all about the viewers themselves. Finding the most popular timezones to stream can lead to players optimising their streaming revenue if they stream at these particular time-slots. True, though I'd say the streamers themselves have much better statistical tools than I do, and I'd guess that those who do live from streaming their games looked into this already. Also is it possible to sort the data by days of the week. Are streams generally more popular at weekends? Are Fridays generally more popular than Mondays? That's definitely doable. Though not quite as simple as it sounds, as I'd have to default to a time zone here to differentiate the days and I have no idea which one I should pick Are total stream viewers increasing or declining That's another thing I could put in a graph. I actually also log the total current viewers as displayed on TL.net (upper right corner), so that one should be quite easy. I can see how individual streaming is great for players but is it harming tournaments streams? It's the other way around, actually. When there's a big tournament like MLG or IPL, even big names like White-Ra get very few viewers. At the same time, very few pro players stream during such events, either because they participate in the tournament or because they know it's not worth competing with it. What about data from China? I imagine they have big numbers. Any possibility of getting some of that data to compare with the rest of the Foreign scene? As I said above, I could at most order the streams by the origin of the streamers. I'm not sure there are any Chinese streamers on TL.net, though. I understand that is a lot of questions. But the rest of the thread seems to be hi-jacked by silly Idra bashing. Haha. Everything that distracts from the discussion about Idra is quite welcome.  | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:44 one-one-one wrote: Some people have mentioned that ST_Bomber and oGsForGG deserves more viewers. I second this. How the hell can idrA get 10k viewers when the 2 guys above are at least twice as good as him? And notice that terran players in general get relatively few viewers. This is a general problem with the foreign scene - that people are more interested in zerg/protoss than terran. There are almost no SC2 front figures/casters on the foreign scene that play terran. Stop being so hipster and recognize the incredible skill of top korean terrans! Bomber twice as good as Idra... I guess that's why Bomber won against Idra by having hellions on the right place at the right time? Overall, yeah Bomber comes out on top, but twice as good? No | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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one-one-one
Sweden551 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:49 Aocowns wrote: Bomber twice as good as Idra... I guess that's why Bomber won against Idra by having hellions on the right place at the right time? Overall, yeah Bomber comes out on top, but twice as good? No In fact, when I think about it I think the difference is even bigger than that. He is probably three times better than idrA User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:54 one-one-one wrote: In fact, when I think about it I think the difference is even bigger than that. He is probably three times better than idrA I see. Not worth discussing with you then | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
Anyways.. Thanks for the great statistical information, OP! It is very interesting to see those numbers. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:00 Smoodish wrote: i always try to catch Hui streaming to see if he's any good but never catch him due to timezones conflicting. Anyone have any idea what times he normally streams (EST time preferably ) ? Right now. http://www.twitch.tv/wayne379 | ||
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:54 Stanlot wrote: Man, I miss Cella's stream. yeah, I miss the days where he would order fried chicken on his stream and sing kpop songs. good times. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
My question about whether more Europeans watching than Americans could possibly be reworded into a time-zone question. Most European streamers are doing so in a time-period that is convenient for European/African viewers because they are in similar time-zones. If the top ten streams from European-based players have more viewers than the top ten streams from players based in the America's then that could be a measure to loosely compare whether more from Europe/Africa are watching compared to the America's. It would not be too accurate a correlation but if there is a big difference in the numbers that might mean something about geographical distribution of viewers. As for tournaments streams being harmed. I was thinking of NASL and the league part of their competition. This streams pretty much every day. I was just wondering if their viewers are significantly hit by having to compete with mostly US based player streams which operate at similar times. Anyway regardless on how you want to proceed, you deserve plaudits for the work you have already put into this. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:54 one-one-one wrote: In fact, when I think about it I think the difference is even bigger than that. He is probably three times better than idrA Fraer has a 60% win rate in 2012 vs. EU players and a few Korean Code A-S players. IdrA has a 32% win rate in 2012 vs. Korean Code A-S players and a few EU players. Yeah, it's that bad for IdrA, but you don't get three times from that. | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:44 one-one-one wrote: Some people have mentioned that ST_Bomber and oGsForGG deserves more viewers. I second this. How the hell can idrA get 10k viewers when the 2 guys above are at least twice as good as him? And notice that terran players in general get relatively few viewers. This is a general problem with the foreign scene - that people are more interested in zerg/protoss than terran. There are almost no SC2 front figures/casters on the foreign scene that play terran. Stop being so hipster and recognize the incredible skill of top korean terrans! People don't necessarily watch streams for skills display. They just want to be entertain. Thus why people with more personality attracts more viewers. | ||
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MaximusBlack
Canada26 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Furthermore Koreans don't get as many viewers because it's easier to be a fan of a foreigner. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On May 01 2012 08:03 Azarkon wrote: Fraer has a 60% win rate in 2012 vs. EU players and a few Korean Code A-S players. IdrA has a 32% win rate in 2012 vs. Korean Code A-S players and a few EU players. Yeah, it's that bad for IdrA, but you don't get three times from that. which code A-S players did Fraer play? /jw | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Fluffboll
Sweden516 Posts
OT: Some surprising people high up in that list but most of them were expected. Personally I don't watch streams of people that simply plays music when they play which is why I watch LoL streams over SC2 streams (even though I enjoy SC2 as a game more) because they commentate and interact with the viewers which is far more fun imo. | ||
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