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The reason this whole age and reactions thing got started was because someone asked,
>why do people think old-school players support players such as Nony, Incontrol, Gruby, etc like they are gonna win any major tournaments?
>Someone said that Grubby was getting better and better and was gonna show great tournament results in the future
>Someone else said that it wasn't likely.
>The discussion goes to whether him getting older has anything to do with gaming.
>people start asking for evidence that this phenomenon is the case.
I personally see it differently. I think that if you are to claim a particular player who have not won any major tournaments will win one soon, you're the one who needs to substantiate your claim. And no, watching Grubby play on ladder isn't the only indicator of how he does in tournaments. Ladder play at the highest levels tests how well you deal with all-ins and timing pushes, not macro strats against pros who know how to macro. Consider Grubby playing a PvZ against Stephano or DRG. I doubt any Korean Protosses can have a positive record against those 2, much less Grubby.
I think Grubby is still one of the best players in the world and has a great stream, but to say he's gonna start winning tournaments is more of a hope than a reality. He can win those local LANs and online-only small events that exclude most pros (even in WC3 most of his wins came from ZOTAC cup, which was online-only and excluded most Koreans and all Chinese players.)
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While I know that some people don't like Husky, I really love the Husky + Day[9] combination. Husky is great at the fast, exciting moments while Day[9] provides that in-depth analysis.
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This event is going to be awesome.
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On April 26 2012 04:09 Crownlol wrote:ThorZain obviously.
Hahahaha this made me laugh but i should of saw it coming.
But i would expect Red Bull to invite at least 1 real NA player.
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On April 26 2012 03:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:29 TheSir wrote:On April 26 2012 01:04 Enzymatic wrote:On April 26 2012 00:38 TheSir wrote:On April 26 2012 00:21 xtruder wrote:On April 25 2012 22:38 Odal wrote:On April 25 2012 20:12 KainiT wrote:On April 25 2012 19:39 TheSir wrote:On April 25 2012 17:29 Leijona wrote:On April 25 2012 15:50 seoul_kiM wrote:
Why do people still want to see players like TLO, NoNy, Grubby, and Idra play? They really fell off the radar... No, grubby is just getting better and better everyday. His days are surely ahead. (In sc2) yeah as a caster, as a player not anymore. +1 It is funny how people always think grubby is getting "better and better everyday". He had a very succesful wc3 past and had all the best training environment once he started to play sc2. He already had sponsors, an esports supporting environment, knew how to practice for esports etc. etc. He was best at the beginning of sc2 and is now getting worse. That is also because of his age which does not allow him to be among the progamer elite anymore due to physical reasons.I like Grubby just as much as everybody else, but there is just absolutely no reason to believe that he is getting better besides the casters saying it all the time. Casters say many stupid things unfortunately. wat. explain. Grubby's too old, reflexes get slower past the age of 24 or something. haha right, you got evidence/science at your side to back that up? Seems like a load of crap to me. http://www19.statcan.gc.ca/04/04_0708/04_0708_011-eng.htm![[image loading]](http://oi46.tinypic.com/2427hjp.jpg) As you can see, the average reaction time is lowest around the age of 17 for guys that are right-handed. Same with girls. That means, at the age of 17, you are going to have faster reaction speeds, and be all-around more alert. Statistics and stuff aside, it is generally known that most gamers are at their "prime" anywhere between 16-21 years old (with the peak being between 17-18 years old). This directly coincides with the reaction time chart above. Also, excerpt from: http://www.livestrong.com/article/442800-how-does-aging-affect-reaction-time/"After the late 20s, reaction times increase..." Meaning gamers that are late 20's or higher in age are generally at a disadvantage. Sorry but without a source of that data, it's completely useless. It's doesn't even say what the test was. At least i cant find it there and seeing the data they probably tested reflexes which doesn't have a much impact on a game like starcraft. Doesn't even matter if it's correct, the difference is insanely insignifcant and easily made up for by the experience factor. You'd have to get way higher up in age before it was an actual factor. The reason older players are at a disadvantage is motivation and burn out.
Well i think your right there and imo it's not only the experience factor but also the fact that the human brain isn't fully developed yet when your 16 to 20 years old. You can have the fastest reaction time known to man but if you dont make the right decision your uber fast reaction time is pretty useless and it's a known fact that people in the age 16 to 20 often dont make the right decisions and most times they are reckless decisions.
But i think the main reason is why we seen in the past that most players had their peak at their younger years is because the younger players after them just had a higher basic skill level when it comes to gaming, new upcoming players had already a advantage so to speak because they started gaming at a younger age.
Kids these days grow up with gaming/computers, if i see these kids it's mind blowing how fast they pickup things. It has become natural to them while when i was a kid, i was laying down in the bushes outside with friends pretending we were shooting at imaginable enemies while a wooden stick were our weapons. And the games we could play, if someone was lucky to have a computer at home, didn't allow us to raise our skill level cause the AI was only as good as it was (rubbish most times)
And thats why i think the super talents from upcoming generations (who grow up with computers and gaming) will often stay longer at the top if they aren't mentally burned out or saturated after a couple of years cause the advantage of growing up with gaming on computers will be gone soon (if not already).
One thing is for sure, it's not a physical issue
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On April 26 2012 08:40 Spacelord777 wrote:
Husky is great at the fast, exciting moments
“Here comes the attack right now...”
Husky can manage an insane WPM 
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Does anyone know what time tickets go on sale? I know the 27th, but anything I see on Red Bull's website still has everything TBD and unclickable.
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Why does the forum title say the event is 'offline'?
I thought that meant it wouldn't be streamed over the internet, or at least not for free. Please edumecate dumb people like me as to why the event is 'offline'....
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Can someone please explain to me the whole "Offline" part of this lan?
They have sc2 lan hack program?
DId blizz give them a lan license of some sort?
I is confused
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On April 26 2012 01:55 ngri wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:04 Enzymatic wrote:On April 26 2012 00:38 TheSir wrote:On April 26 2012 00:21 xtruder wrote:On April 25 2012 22:38 Odal wrote:On April 25 2012 20:12 KainiT wrote:On April 25 2012 19:39 TheSir wrote:On April 25 2012 17:29 Leijona wrote:On April 25 2012 15:50 seoul_kiM wrote:
Why do people still want to see players like TLO, NoNy, Grubby, and Idra play? They really fell off the radar... No, grubby is just getting better and better everyday. His days are surely ahead. (In sc2) yeah as a caster, as a player not anymore. +1 It is funny how people always think grubby is getting "better and better everyday". He had a very succesful wc3 past and had all the best training environment once he started to play sc2. He already had sponsors, an esports supporting environment, knew how to practice for esports etc. etc. He was best at the beginning of sc2 and is now getting worse. That is also because of his age which does not allow him to be among the progamer elite anymore due to physical reasons.I like Grubby just as much as everybody else, but there is just absolutely no reason to believe that he is getting better besides the casters saying it all the time. Casters say many stupid things unfortunately. wat. explain. Grubby's too old, reflexes get slower past the age of 24 or something. haha right, you got evidence/science at your side to back that up? Seems like a load of crap to me. http://www19.statcan.gc.ca/04/04_0708/04_0708_011-eng.htmAs you can see, the average reaction time is lowest around the age of 17 for guys that are right-handed. Same with girls. That means, at the age of 17, you are going to have faster reaction speeds, and be all-around more alert. Statistics and stuff aside, it is generally known that most gamers are at their "prime" anywhere between 16-21 years old (with the peak being between 17-18 years old). This directly coincides with the reaction time chart above. Also, excerpt from: http://www.livestrong.com/article/442800-how-does-aging-affect-reaction-time/"After the late 20s, reaction times increase..." Meaning gamers that are late 20's or higher in age are generally at a disadvantage. Especially if you are ambidextrous! Once you're 20 I think it is not safe to cross the street anymore..
LOL I'm glad someone else noticed that!
On a more on topic note. Hopefully I can get press access for this event! (wish me luck!)
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Time to drink some more red bull.
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On April 27 2012 05:06 VeraTheGun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:55 ngri wrote:On April 26 2012 01:04 Enzymatic wrote:On April 26 2012 00:38 TheSir wrote:On April 26 2012 00:21 xtruder wrote:On April 25 2012 22:38 Odal wrote:On April 25 2012 20:12 KainiT wrote:On April 25 2012 19:39 TheSir wrote:On April 25 2012 17:29 Leijona wrote:On April 25 2012 15:50 seoul_kiM wrote:
Why do people still want to see players like TLO, NoNy, Grubby, and Idra play? They really fell off the radar... No, grubby is just getting better and better everyday. His days are surely ahead. (In sc2) yeah as a caster, as a player not anymore. +1 It is funny how people always think grubby is getting "better and better everyday". He had a very succesful wc3 past and had all the best training environment once he started to play sc2. He already had sponsors, an esports supporting environment, knew how to practice for esports etc. etc. He was best at the beginning of sc2 and is now getting worse. That is also because of his age which does not allow him to be among the progamer elite anymore due to physical reasons.I like Grubby just as much as everybody else, but there is just absolutely no reason to believe that he is getting better besides the casters saying it all the time. Casters say many stupid things unfortunately. wat. explain. Grubby's too old, reflexes get slower past the age of 24 or something. haha right, you got evidence/science at your side to back that up? Seems like a load of crap to me. http://www19.statcan.gc.ca/04/04_0708/04_0708_011-eng.htmAs you can see, the average reaction time is lowest around the age of 17 for guys that are right-handed. Same with girls. That means, at the age of 17, you are going to have faster reaction speeds, and be all-around more alert. Statistics and stuff aside, it is generally known that most gamers are at their "prime" anywhere between 16-21 years old (with the peak being between 17-18 years old). This directly coincides with the reaction time chart above. Also, excerpt from: http://www.livestrong.com/article/442800-how-does-aging-affect-reaction-time/"After the late 20s, reaction times increase..." Meaning gamers that are late 20's or higher in age are generally at a disadvantage. Especially if you are ambidextrous! Once you're 20 I think it is not safe to cross the street anymore.. LOL I'm glad someone else noticed that! On a more on topic note. Hopefully I can get press access for this event! (wish me luck!)
Something with those stats seem off to me. Especially seeing as how most professional athletes hit there prime in there late 20's-early 30's. Boxers/mma fighters especially.
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That list is actually old from the Red Bull LAN Orlando.
Sam @ Red Bull
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isnt that just the same people as the last Red Bull Lan plus Stephano?
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On April 27 2012 00:45 Arkless wrote:
Can someone please explain to me the whole "Offline" part of this lan?
They have sc2 lan hack program?
DId blizz give them a lan license of some sort?
I is confused
offline initially referred to games played over LANs, but since SC2 doesnt allow LANs, what it means in this context is that all the players will be in the same place, and that you will be able to watch it at that place in person, aswell as online
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Will be a awesome tourney with awesome casters! really looking forward to it!
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On April 27 2012 06:16 jmbthirteen wrote:isnt that just the same people as the last Red Bull Lan plus Stephano?
Naniwa vs Thorzain in the finals would be awesome ! :D TSL3 all over again 
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Awesome! I'll definitely be watching. Hopefully Bomber and Parting can be there. I'm going to try and make it to the Boston event when that happens
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